Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

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I'm sure we could swap RyJo for Kuznetsov for the same term and cap hit but do we really want that? He's slow and sucks and snorts cocaine.
 
Kuzy at least has nice cellys. and I bet he would become BFF with Nuke pretty quick. bring Kovalenko to the party and the Avs would have one the most entertaining lines in the league, from mother Russia with love.
 
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Playing him 27 minutes won’t help his pace.

I think CMac might be taking a bit too much heat here. Yeah the team has regressed and mistakes have been made most certainly. This situation was pretty clear to see happening… and now we are at a risk/reward stage where some of the risks haven’t panned out and they need to turn around.

I’m not saying he’s free from criticism, just that a typical conservative first year along with the situation that was coming up have lead to a pretty predictable outcome. He’s got a hell of a task to get this team back to the Cup, but it’s not impossible.

Hey there’s different ways to get players going. Bednar is a players coach, he likely had the conversation with Rantanen to see what Rantanen thought would be best. Rantanen as a confident top player obviously asked for more ice time. Based on how he played last game I can’t imagine that continues much longer. That means he will soon get hit with the other easy options - reduced ice time and/or benching him.

What bothers me is that it appears to be a lack of effort that has led to poor play which has then eroded his confidence. He picks up points, but he’s not driving those points. If he can’t drive a line we have to call in to question what sort of contract the Avs should be willing to offer him in 2 years.

Totally agree with CMac, as I previously alluded to. Coming into the season most fans were aware that there was a high amount of risk given the large amount of roster turnover. I’m glad that the longer term signings have at least played well. With the patch work 2nd line players I think it’s safe to say we at best went 1/3 and that’s it Drouin stays healthy and continues to play with high effort.

Now that we have a better idea of what we have, it’s up to CMac to make this team a juggernaut. We still have pieces in both draft capital and young players to make that happen, if he fumbles it again this year and trades decent value for bad stop gaps I think that job he’s done needs to be looked at a bit harder.
 
When you look at options for the 2C, it is going to be a bit complicated. Certainly, it can be addressed with enough will power as these guys move every year, but here's how I see it breaking down:

Rental Market:
Lindholm - He's really the only sure fire guy on this list. Legit top 6 (arguably 1C) where the bidding will be high and teams will want to re-sign him.
Monahan - Injuries are well documented, but also not sure of the fit. He doesn't skate any better than RyJo, but maybe has a touch more effort. Not an ideal guy in your top 6... maybe as a 4C/injury replacement.
Wennberg - He's not a 2C IMO and has similar effort faults at RyJo.

Older guys that may want to move:
Kadri - We know his fit here and he's playing at a very similar level to Lindholm. Probably cycles back in well. Contract will be bad in a couple years.
Hertl - Still playing well and would honestly fit very well, contract would take some maneuvering.
Jenner - Ideally more of a wing or 3C than a 2C, but good contract. Columbus moving their captain would be odd given the situation, but he'd be a good stopgap add.
Couturier - Lots of injury risk with a large amount of contract risk, who knows if Philly even wants to move him?
Gourde - With how the Avs' play, he might be the best stylistic fit. His ultimate offensive ceiling isn't where you'd ideally have a 2C, but controls the ice, plays hard and should push into the upper 40s on with 40+ of them at ES.

Young guys who have shown top 6 ability:
Cozens/Fatty - Fatty is easier to fit today and probably easier to trade for, but likely have less ultimate upside. Buffalo likely sees both as core guys, so price is probably through the roof.
Zegras - Taking some risk his game rounds out, but tons of upside here. Again core guy that you'd have to convinced Anaheim.
Lundell - This is a different type of risk.. he's pretty much played 3C and the offense hasn't come along. Maybe it is depth, maybe the reports of a lack of offensive upside were true. Probably could be had in a hockey trade that addresses their defense.
Sillinger - Columbus has some young guys who may push him down their ultimate lineup, struggled a lot since his rookie year.
Frost/Cates - Both had a brief blip up and showed some potential, both are struggling this year. Very risky options.

Typing all that out... most realistic options are probably Wennberg from the rental group, Gourde from the older group, Frost from the young group. Gourde is probably the closest to a 'solution' and he's probably a half to full step away from it.

Hey there’s different ways to get players going. Bednar is a players coach, he likely had the conversation with Rantanen to see what Rantanen thought would be best. Rantanen as a confident top player obviously asked for more ice time. Based on how he played last game I can’t imagine that continues much longer. That means he will soon get hit with the other easy options - reduced ice time and/or benching him.

What bothers me is that it appears to be a lack of effort that has led to poor play which has then eroded his confidence. He picks up points, but he’s not driving those points. If he can’t drive a line we have to call in to question what sort of contract the Avs should be willing to offer him in 2 years.

Totally agree with CMac, as I previously alluded to. Coming into the season most fans were aware that there was a high amount of risk given the large amount of roster turnover. I’m glad that the longer term signings have at least played well. With the patch work 2nd line players I think it’s safe to say we at best went 1/3 and that’s it Drouin stays healthy and continues to play with high effort.

Now that we have a better idea of what we have, it’s up to CMac to make this team a juggernaut. We still have pieces in both draft capital and young players to make that happen, if he fumbles it again this year and trades decent value for bad stop gaps I think that job he’s done needs to be looked at a bit harder.
Yeah I'm sure Rants had some words about it... but at the most simplistic, a player with Rantanen's skating isn't going to play with pace when he's out there for 27 minutes. Some of the best skaters, passers, and thinkers out there have issues with that much time. It is a rare skill.
 
I'm honestly hoping that Kent Johnson gets frustrated in CBJ and the Avs make their yearly CBJ acquisition
I'd love to give him a shot here. Never say never, but I just can't see Columbus giving up a guy with that offensive upside. I'd think Sillinger would be on the block first.
 
Just trade with SJ.

Pending Anthony Duclair and Mikael Granlund (2 mil retained) for Ryan Johansen, Tomas Tatar, Ben Meyers and a 2024 1st.

They take Johansen and Tatars contracts and we get two top 6 forwards for our playoff run and Granlund next year for 3 mil.

Then flip Drouin to Minny for Pat Maroon

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Duclair- Granlund- Nichushkin
Wood- Colton- O'Connor
Maroon- Cogliano- Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Johnson - Malinski

Kovalenko and Girard??
 
CMac needs to act with a bit of urgency and be aggressive in acquiring a 2C.

My preferences are either of Lindholm/Kadri from CGY or a younger player who hasn’t put it together yet like Frost. I’d also pay whatever it takes to get Cozens.
 
Just trade with SJ.

Pending Anthony Duclair and Mikael Granlund (2 mil retained) for Ryan Johansen, Tomas Tatar, Ben Meyers and a 2024 1st.

They take Johansen and Tatars contracts and we get two top 6 forwards for our playoff run and Granlund next year for 3 mil.

Then flip Drouin to Minny for Pat Maroon

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Duclair- Granlund- Nichushkin
Wood- Colton- O'Connor
Maroon- Cogliano- Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Johnson - Malinski

Kovalenko and Girard??
Absolutely not. Drouin looks to have bought in to Bednar’s system and is playing extremely well lately. He’s one of our few forwards who’s creating chances right now.
 
Kuznetsov might be done, and skiing down Colombia on a regular basis, and might be a terrible influence on people who need it least, but at least he's not fat.
 
Kuznetsov might be done, and skiing down Colombia on a regular basis, and might be a terrible influence on people who need it least, but at least he's not fat.
When RyJo is retired and goes on a podcast... I expect a very Wellwood esque sort of interview. :laugh:
 
Kuzy at least has nice cellys. and I bet he would become BFF with Nuke pretty quick. bring Kovalenko to the party and the Avs would have one the most entertaining lines in the league, from mother Russia with love.
Back when he was still with the Isles, Devon Toews scored against the Caps and mocked Kuznetsov's bird celly, the Caps went on to win that game, I'm fairly certain Trotz had a word or two with Toews after that one. :laugh:

I'm certain that would come up in conversation if Kuzy were to come to Colorado.
 
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Boy I'm pretty sure Wennberg is even softer than Johansen. Would not be thrilled with that pickup.

I know he pretty much plays wing but...what about Henrique? It's rumored--I think--that the Avs were kicking tires on him before he got hurt last year. Contract is manageable, but the problem is he's not really a center.
 
Just trade with SJ.

Pending Anthony Duclair and Mikael Granlund (2 mil retained) for Ryan Johansen, Tomas Tatar, Ben Meyers and a 2024 1st.

They take Johansen and Tatars contracts and we get two top 6 forwards for our playoff run and Granlund next year for 3 mil.

Then flip Drouin to Minny for Pat Maroon

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Duclair- Granlund- Nichushkin
Wood- Colton- O'Connor
Maroon- Cogliano- Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Johnson - Malinski

Kovalenko and Girard??
Good lord…
 
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Boy I'm pretty sure Wennberg is even softer than Johansen. Would not be thrilled with that pickup.

I know he pretty much plays wing but...what about Henrique? It's rumored--I think--that the Avs were kicking tires on him before he got hurt last year. Contract is manageable, but the problem is he's not really a center.
I don't think Henrique would play center here. Maybe in a quasi role next to RyJo, but the makeup doesn't really setup for Henrique to play there. For as much as we talk about Monahan's injuries... Henrique isn't much better honestly.
 
Lindholm makes too much sense and I think a similar trade to what Horvat received would be an easy enough move for both sides.

Van got a first (2023 first), a slightly overpaid middle 6 forward with some term (Beauvillier 1.5x4.15) and a center prospect (Raty) and retained 25% of the contract.

The Avs can offer 2024 first(worse than NYI), RyJo(less value than Beau), Foudy (similar to Raty) and a third as a comparable package for Lindholm at no retention. Or Ritchie over Foudy and a third. Horvat had a career year last year, Lindholm has been having an average year for the Flames.

This could leave us with lines of

Nuke/Lehkonen-MacK-Rantanen
Lehkonen/Nuke-Lindholm-Drouin
Wood-Colton-LOC
Cogs-Olaffsob-Kivvy

In an ideal world we make a second move to further bolster the top 6, but that lineup is pretty solid. I think the Avs could also potentially retain Lindholm on an 8x8.5-9 contract.

We then would just have to move on from Sammy G. If he comes back and plays like he was this year I think it’s possible with not much of if any add.
 
I think Lindholm would be fantastic, but we all know we're not going to make a splash in-season. We'll get an Eller-esque player for a 1st and throw away another season on contention
 
I don't know how dissatisfied the Ducks are with Zegras right now but with Carlsson and McTavish taking those top two center spots I kinda wonder if Z might be on the outs soon. He's also battling an injury of some sort so that of course makes him perfect for the Avs.

It'd likely take Byram at the very least to pique Anaheim's interest. It'd be hugely risky but the upside would be insane. This of course assumes he's even going to be on the market, which is unlikely.
 
I don't know how dissatisfied the Ducks are with Zegras right now but with Carlsson and McTavish taking those top two center spots I kinda wonder if Z might be on the outs soon. He's also battling an injury of some sort so that of course makes him perfect for the Avs.

It'd likely take Byram at the very least to pique Anaheim's interest. It'd be hugely risky but the upside would be insane. This of course assumes he's even going to be on the market, which is unlikely.

Anahiem would be such a good fit for Byram. He'd get to play top pair with Drysdale long term (WJC reunion) and he'd probably take over as their PP1 QB immediately.
 
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