Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

[The Moops]

So Perry is available and they already did the Mom's trip.. Free winger?

 

[AvStock]

The Avs have been fine without Byram before too...

You say this, but G has been the one keeping Byram afloat this season. Byram with G 55.78% xGF vs without G 46.56% xGF. Last season, the only two defensemen with worse advanced stats than Byram were Manson and Dermy. There is a lot of hate for G and a good amount of it is deserved... but he's actually performed at a higher level more consistently than Byram has. Byram certainly has more flash and upside, but the substance behind his play significantly lag behind the hype.

Admittedly I don't follow advanced stats to make a claim. But Just going off when it matters, Byram showed up for our cup. G got hurt and we didn't even notice he was gone.

So Perry is available and they already did the Mom's trip.. Free winger?

We would have to alert Makar, MacK, Byram, and Rants moms then...

 

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Admittedly I don't follow advanced stats to make a claim. But Just going off when it matters, Byram showed up for our cup. G got hurt and we didn't even notice he was gone.

Byram's play during the run was very good. That doesn't change the level of play right now though. Right now, Byram is a flashy but flawed middle pairing defensemen whose game is not rounding out as quickly as expected. The Byram Bunnies paint the picture of Byram as an elite shutdown defender who is just power play time away from being Makar offensively... when the reality is just so much different.

 

[AvStock]

Byram's play during the run was very good. That doesn't change the level of play right now though. Right now, Byram is a flashy but flawed middle pairing defensemen whose game is not rounding out as quickly as expected. The Byram Bunnies paint the picture of Byram as an elite shutdown defender who is just power play time away from being Makar offensively... when the reality is just so much different.

Byram bunnies lmfaooo

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Good news we can sign Corey Perry now

 

[PAZ]

Byram's play during the run was very good. That doesn't change the level of play right now though. Right now, Byram is a flashy but flawed middle pairing defensemen whose game is not rounding out as quickly as expected. The Byram Bunnies paint the picture of Byram as an elite shutdown defender who is just power play time away from being Makar offensively... when the reality is just so much different.

Not saying it's inaccurate, but if Byram didn't have all those concussions that affected his development and made him completely change his playstyle that would most likely be the case. Of course, his previous playstyle made him very suscepible to concussions but there weren't many flaws in his game then.

 

[Bender]

It’s a nice pipe dream but the Wylde are not ever parting with Eriksson Ek unless they’re blowing the whole damned thing up, and we know they ain’t gonna do that.

They’re a team dealing with a humongous dead cap hit and that’s one of the very few cost-controlled deals they have on the books.

Probably but at the same time that might be inevitable. Take a good look at that roster - they've got Faber (21) and Middleton (27) and the rest of their D is 30 or over. At what point is that team making a real run at the Stanley Cup with the rest of the teams in the West ?

The Mild have this year and next year where they have the Suter and Parise buyouts taking up $14M of their cap space. The year after that, Kaprizov is set to become an impending UFA. There's a strong chance he won't want to re-sign there even if they don't completely stink.

At what point does a guy like JEE become more valuable traded for a nice haul rather than kept until he's 30 when they can get ready to contend ??? I mean, they gotta have some sort of plan, no ?

Sometimes, if the other team keeps adding you get to a point where you just can't say no - or you don't want to regret saying no a couple years down the line.

So pipe dream, yes and no in the sense that he's the one guy I could see the Avs really wanting to add to their lineup as it would complete their forward group to the very best in the NHL and then they'd just need an impending UFA D-Man as depth at the trade deadline.

 

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Not saying it's inaccurate, but if Byram didn't have all those concussions that affected his development and made him completely change his playstyle that would most likely be the case. Of course, his previous playstyle made him very suscepible to concussions but there weren't many flaws in his game then.

I really don't think Byram has changed his play style, if he has it is only in pretty minor ways. And that does play into his propensity to get concussions.

I think the problem with Byram is that he isn't adapting his play. I know people hate it when I say it... but his game is just too junior and he isn't naturally talented enough to pull it off. What I mean by that is in junior he was the most talented guy on the ice at all or nearly all the time. He could dominate with his talent/skating/strength. He could mouth off and back it up against most players.. because he was tougher than most. He could avoid the big hits because his skating was better. In the NHL though, he's not even the top 5 most talented player on the Avs... in some games he might not even be the 10th most talented player on the ice. That means he can't skate or talent his way out of bad reads or laziness. He can't overpower the majority of the league. He isn't tougher than everybody else. Yet he still plays like he is. He takes chances he has no business taking. He plays defense horribly in space and can't make up for it with skating or size anymore. He can't over power the bigger players in the NHL. Nor does he have the hands to make the majority look bad. He just doesn't have that elite skill set to play the effortless elite game of guys like Makar or Fox. His offense mainly comes from taking larger risks, which takes away from his defense. His skating/size combo has real potential in the NHL to be a high end defensive guy, but he has to commit to that... and his reads in space have to improve dramatically.

None of this means he is a bad player (he is a very good player), but his style of play right now just means he's going to be feast or famine. He might have a stretch where he puts up 12 points in 10 games... then go silent for 15. His defense can be elite when engaged and playing great 1v1 hockey with being really keying in on disrupting controlled zone entires... but if he's trying to be the guy offensively, this falls apart.

IMO Byram is at his best when he is held back offensively and playing controlled defensive hockey with a partner who plays well in space. You give him that, he's going to do great things... it just may only be at 35 point offensive level.

 

[Bender]

I really don't think Byram has changed his play style, if he has it is only in pretty minor ways. And that does play into his propensity to get concussions.

I think the problem with Byram is that he isn't adapting his play. I know people hate it when I say it... but his game is just too junior and he isn't naturally talented enough to pull it off. What I mean by that is in junior he was the most talented guy on the ice at all or nearly all the time. He could dominate with his talent/skating/strength. He could mouth off and back it up against most players.. because he was tougher than most. He could avoid the big hits because his skating was better. In the NHL though, he's not even the top 5 most talented player on the Avs... in some games he might not even be the 10th most talented player on the ice. That means he can't skate or talent his way out of bad reads or laziness. He can't overpower the majority of the league. He isn't tougher than everybody else. Yet he still plays like he is. He takes chances he has no business taking. He plays defense horribly in space and can't make up for it with skating or size anymore. He can't over power the bigger players in the NHL. Nor does he have the hands to make the majority look bad. He just doesn't have that elite skill set to play the effortless elite game of guys like Makar or Fox. His offense mainly comes from taking larger risks, which takes away from his defense. His skating/size combo has real potential in the NHL to be a high end defensive guy, but he has to commit to that... and his reads in space have to improve dramatically.

None of this means he is a bad player (he is a very good player), but his style of play right now just means he's going to be feast or famine. He might have a stretch where he puts up 12 points in 10 games... then go silent for 15. His defense can be elite when engaged and playing great 1v1 hockey with being really keying in on disrupting controlled zone entires... but if he's trying to be the guy offensively, this falls apart.

IMO Byram is at his best when he is held back offensively and playing controlled defensive hockey with a partner who plays well in space. You give him that, he's going to do great things... it just may only be at 35 point offensive level.

I agree with pretty much all of that. There is a certain 'immaturity' to his game. Seems to make nonchalant plays - like you said, because he has this belief that he's currently better than what he is... he is not there yet and the competition on the other side on most nights, is very good as well.

It's a massive mystery to me why young players trying to play defense don't use Ray Bourque as a model to emulate. Man, that guy wasn't the flashiest player but he had a great set of skills and what set him apart is that he made the correct play and most often times the safe play 99.9% of the time - which is what made him so frikkin' effective.

Byram is still only 22 so he has some room to grow but the last 10-12 games have me slightly concerned because his decision-making has NOT been good, it's been terrible and he's been taking a lot of stupid, lazy penalties. I hope he turns it around soon.

 

[Cypher]

You say that as if Byram has been doing anything of value lately.

What do you mean, he's our goon/enforcer.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

I agree with pretty much all of that. There is a certain 'immaturity' to his game. Seems to make nonchalant plays - like you said, because he has this belief that he's currently better than what he is... he is not there yet and the competition on the other side on most nights, is very good as well.

It's a massive mystery to me why young players trying to play defense don't use Ray Bourque as a model to emulate. Man, that guy wasn't the flashiest player but he had a great set of skills and what set him apart is that he made the correct play and most often times the safe play 99.9% of the time - which is what made him so frikkin' effective.

Byram is still only 22 so he has some room to grow but the last 10-12 games have me slightly concerned because his decision-making has NOT been good, it's been terrible and he's been taking a lot of stupid, lazy penalties. I hope he turns it around soon.

I see a lot of Bourque in Makar personally.

I know Makar would be seen as flashier, but in terms of the fundamentals I see a lot of similarities.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I really don't think Byram has changed his play style, if he has it is only in pretty minor ways. And that does play into his propensity to get concussions.

I think the problem with Byram is that he isn't adapting his play. I know people hate it when I say it... but his game is just too junior and he isn't naturally talented enough to pull it off. What I mean by that is in junior he was the most talented guy on the ice at all or nearly all the time. He could dominate with his talent/skating/strength. He could mouth off and back it up against most players.. because he was tougher than most. He could avoid the big hits because his skating was better. In the NHL though, he's not even the top 5 most talented player on the Avs... in some games he might not even be the 10th most talented player on the ice. That means he can't skate or talent his way out of bad reads or laziness. He can't overpower the majority of the league. He isn't tougher than everybody else. Yet he still plays like he is. He takes chances he has no business taking. He plays defense horribly in space and can't make up for it with skating or size anymore. He can't over power the bigger players in the NHL. Nor does he have the hands to make the majority look bad. He just doesn't have that elite skill set to play the effortless elite game of guys like Makar or Fox. His offense mainly comes from taking larger risks, which takes away from his defense. His skating/size combo has real potential in the NHL to be a high end defensive guy, but he has to commit to that... and his reads in space have to improve dramatically.

None of this means he is a bad player (he is a very good player), but his style of play right now just means he's going to be feast or famine. He might have a stretch where he puts up 12 points in 10 games... then go silent for 15. His defense can be elite when engaged and playing great 1v1 hockey with being really keying in on disrupting controlled zone entires... but if he's trying to be the guy offensively, this falls apart.

IMO Byram is at his best when he is held back offensively and playing controlled defensive hockey with a partner who plays well in space. You give him that, he's going to do great things... it just may only be at 35 point offensive level.

Byram kinda strikes me as a guy who thinks flash always=substance. Jacob Slavin is one of the most "boring" defenders I've ever seen but is always one of the most revered dmen league wide. Now I don't think Byram becomes a Slavin type or level guy, but like you said he could be a 35pt guy who's still a damn near elite player.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Landy is coming to Denver to join the team from rehab in Toronto. Could he possibly start skating soon? I think he said it’s possible he could start skating in November if I remember correctly

 

[JLo217]

TRADE MACK!

Idk.. looking at their progression and play style I’d rather keep Rantanen long term if they can find a young center in a trade.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

If the Avs are adding between now and mid January, it'll probably be a cheap reclamation sort. Say Wahlstrom. Around the deadline they probably add a Henrique/Foligno sort.

Zucker is still my deadline acquisition bet, as long as Zona is outta the playoffs by then

 

[myperbixhurts]

Good news we can sign Corey Perry now

Everyone just have to hide their moms from him

 

[wayninja]

So Perry is available and they already did the Mom's trip.. Free winger?

We should definitely take a look, he’d fit right into Jared‘s coaching style

 

[Gumballhead]

We should definitely take a look, he’d fit right into Jared‘s coaching style

Check like a motherf***er?

We should definitely take a look, he’d fit right into Jared‘s coaching style

I guess as an exercise in maturity and acceptance it would be ok, to see if I could actually root for a player I probably dislike more than anyone since the original Bertuzzi or Matt Cooke.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

As for Minnesota, if they ever decide to blow it up (doubtful since they really don't have much of a choice but to ride out some pretty bloated/bad contracts) the guy we should be targeting is Middelton.

We could probably get him regardless of whether or not they wanna rebuild though, but it only makes sense if we ship Bo out, or if G never returns.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

As for Minnesota, if they ever decide to blow it up (doubtful since they really don't have much of a choice but to ride out some pretty bloated/bad contracts) the guy we should be targeting is Middelton.

We could probably get him regardless of whether or not they wanna rebuild though, but it only makes sense if we ship Bo out, or if G never returns.

No, JEE is most certainly the guy to target...

 

[AvsMakar08]

If we get rid of Bo our D will get worst at the expense of a 2C? Not sure if Lindholm is worth Bo…

Sakic is not that stupid to trade Bo. He can gamble but he risks loosing his job if he trades Byram.

 

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Sakic is not that stupid to trade Bo. He can gamble but he risks loosing his job if he trades Byram.

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[AvsMakar08]

He absolutely should not be untouchable... He is currently and is going to be a good player, but the Avs already have 2 top pairing defensemen locked down. Then another guy who has played a top 4 role. Then debatably 2 of the top 3 or 4 prospects are projectable middle pairing left shot defensemen.

If the Avs fail this season (and anything but a Cup is failure at this stage), Byram should absolutely be a piece on the market to solve whatever issue cropped up.

Henchy, we are on the path of solving our 2C with either RyJo and then maybe with Ritchie Ritch. We will not have any glaring holes to fill. Our bottom six has finally shown that they can chip in so that our 1st line does not have to score all the time.

There is no need to trade Byram unless we want to trade him in a package for a superstar like Pettersson.

 

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Henchy, we are on the path of solving our 2C with either RyJo and then maybe with Ritchie Ritch. We will not have any glaring holes to fill. Our bottom six has finally shown that they can chip in so that our 1st line does not have to score all the time.

There is no need to trade Byram unless we want to trade him in a package for a superstar like Pettersson.

May happen, we will see. More of the point is your posts are a great example of the hype simply not matching the substance with Byram.

 

[AvsMakar08]

May happen, we will see. More of the point is your posts are a great example of the hype simply not matching the substance with Byram.

Substance with Byram? What substance? Byram is just having an off year so far. Wait until you see him play in playoffs before jumping the ship.