Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[CrazyDuck4u]

WTF happened to Drysdale? This better not be the same shoulder bothering him.. After that surgery players usually are not the same...

 

[Mr Rogers]

Derek Lee puts Stephens to shame. Although the coverage of the Ducks is sparse outside of him, he's a lot better than anything we've had in a long, long time and i suspect that's because he's actually a fan of the team, which is absolutely ideal. Hopefully he's able to go on road trips as well.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry feels like it could evolve into one of the best lines in this team's history.

Biggest issue is if the Mctavish/strome/vatrano line can become a solid 2nd line... or would we have to spread out that terry/zegras/carlsson offense

 

[MMC]

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Not looking to bash Murray, and I am going off of feel and a memory that's weak for statistical info of this nature XD

I'm talking about guys that didn't have NHL level experience often getting a smaller shot, flip-flopping between AHL/NHL, etc. You're absolutely right about LaCombe, and I did already think he'd have a good chance at being a mainstay. I think my comment there was more with consideration of Minty, Luneau, and Zellweger. While they're all not the youngest guys, they're still prospects with basically 0 NHL experience (LaCombe 2 games end of last season isn't enough to really count), and I still feel that standard Murray would if anything be a bit slower on them being introduced to the NHL. If I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong and I'm okay with that, I appreciate the discussion either way.

Our summer roster construction wasn't all that great. Vaaks and White are fringe NHL d-men from last year, with Vaaks just being made out of glass. Hagg, too, is a fringe D-man.

2018 was when we starting throwing up rookies ahead of time due to mass injuries, which including C Kesler, LW Eaves, RW Perry, and C Getz to start the season. Steel and 18-year old Lundy were forced to start games. So it isn't like those talents beat out roster players like Minty did.

@Ducks DVM noted that the players we have now are more talented than the players we are comparing. Minty is a top-10 pick playing on the bottom pairing. Carlsson is the #2 overall with Z, Terry, Mac, Rico, and Killorn already on the roster.

Odd thing is Luneau hasn't played a game yet. So are you going to criticize Verbeek for doing that? Seems only fair and there shouldn't be any memory lapses.

 

[pbgoalie]

Silfv……….

Geez

 

[All Mighty]

Silfv……….

Geez

I’d rather have Leason or Carrick in front of the net on the PP.

 

[Dirk316]

Agreed on Silfverberg.

I just think there’s a reason that Johnston has never played more than 32 games on an islanders team that had some pretty mediocre seasons. I think he’s the guy id sit before Jones though as far as our left wings go however.

Islanders always carried 2 enforcers Johnston and Matt Martin so worst case 1 played and sometimes both. If Johnston sits ducks toughness is middleweight Carrick and big hitter but horrible fighter Gudas. Much different situation

 

[FlyingV09]

A little off track here but going back to the Fowler talk a couple pages ago….couldn’t find it but someone mentioned Fowlers soft shot and I was reminded of that beauty wrister he scored to put us within one in the Comeback on Katella. That was a great night. Good times

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Islanders always carried 2 enforcers Johnston and Matt Martin so worst case 1 played and sometimes both. If Johnston sits ducks toughness is middleweight Carrick and big hitter but horrible fighter Gudas. Much different situation

Martin can actually play tho... that islanders 4th line with Cizikas and Clutterbuck + martin is 1 of the best 4th lines in the nhl over the last 3-5 years.

I dont think Johnston brings a whole lot to the table outside of fighting (id love for him to prove me wrong tho)... id keep him in over guys like Silf and Mcginn.. but i do think against some of the softer teams in the league Carrick/Gudas and the overall team being more physical and pushing back and sticking up for each other is more than enough

 

[Ducks DVM]

Islanders always carried 2 enforcers Johnston and Matt Martin so worst case 1 played and sometimes both. If Johnston sits ducks toughness is middleweight Carrick and big hitter but horrible fighter Gudas. Much different situation

Martin was in Toronto in ‘16-17 and ‘17-18. Johnston spend the entirety of ’16-17 in the AHL, and played 38 games in the AHL and only 24 in the NHL. He was 24 at that point. He played 92 games the next 4 seasons.

I’m not doubting he can fight. I’m pointing out that he doesn’t appear to bring much else, and there are teams where the “else” would be more useful than a heavyweight.

 

[Dirk316]

Martin can actually play tho... that islanders 4th line with Cizikas and Clutterbuck + martin is 1 of the best 4th lines in the nhl over the last 3-5 years.

I dont think Johnston brings a whole lot to the table outside of fighting (id love for him to prove me wrong tho)... id keep him in over guys like Silf and Mcginn.. but i do think against some of the softer teams in the league Carrick/Gudas and the overall team being more physical and pushing back and sticking up for each other is more than enough

Martins definitely a better player but just the fact the rostered both and gave Johnston a nice contract tells me there some skill there.
I'd definitely prefer what he brings over Silf or Mcgninn. Much more impact

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Any chance that Lyubushkin would be available due to you guys carrying so many defensemen?

 

[dracom]

Any chance that Lyubushkin would be available due to you guys carrying so many defensemen?

probably near the TDL, but not until then

 

[branmuffin17]

Our summer roster construction wasn't all that great. Vaaks and White are fringe NHL d-men from last year, with Vaaks just being made out of glass. Hagg, too, is a fringe D-man.

2018 was when we starting throwing up rookies ahead of time due to mass injuries, which including C Kesler, LW Eaves, RW Perry, and C Getz to start the season. Steel and 18-year old Lundy were forced to start games. So it isn't like those talents beat out roster players like Minty did.

@Ducks DVM noted that the players we have now are more talented than the players we are comparing. Minty is a top-10 pick playing on the bottom pairing. Carlsson is the #2 overall with Z, Terry, Mac, Rico, and Killorn already on the roster.

Odd thing is Luneau hasn't played a game yet. So are you going to criticize Verbeek for doing that? Seems only fair and there shouldn't be any memory lapses.

Negative! Not looking to bash / criticize anyone!!! Just talking my idea of expectations and trends, but I can admit they might be on a really high level sometimes without delving into the details.

I've been wondering why Luneau didn't get a turn in the back-to-back. If I were to say, through preseason he looked the least ready out of him, LaCombe and Minty, but arguably more well-rounded compared to Zell. I might use that opinion to reason out why Luneau hasn't gotten in yet. But I'm just wondering as I'm missing the correlation here, why would I use that to criticize Verbeek?

 

[Leonardo87]

Hey Folks,

We are getting off-topic with the Stephens discussion and whatnot. Need to get back on track with the roster/team discussion.

Thanks

Leo

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Man, I love some of your guys optimism about our prospects, I really do, but it sounds like you are projecting every one of our D prospects actually makes it to the NHL, and in a Ducks sweater.

I have no doubt that some of those guys will be competent everyday NHLers, but all of them? And were not going to use any of them as trade bait?

When Fowlers contract is up, he will be turning 35. Its quite possible his career will be over at that point, but due to his style of play he could also still have a few more years in him. A resigned Fowler at like $3mil at age 35, playing a 4/5/6 spot doesnt sound like a bad thing to me.

I do not see a world in which Fowler gets pushed out before his contract is up. I understand the arguments for it, I just dont see our prospects all coming in and off them earning 1/2/3/4 spots above Fowler.

I am still skeptical about many of our guys.

It’s a valid concern to me about Zellwegers size and his ability to play defense. Same concerns I had with Vatanen.

 

[Deuce22]

I am still skeptical about many of our guys.

It’s a valid concern to me about Zellwegers size and his ability to play defense. Same concerns I had with Vatanen.

Spurgeon, Krug, Fox, Girard, Ellis

 

[mightyquack]

Vatanen was a good NHL defenceman until he blew his shoulder out. Could do a lot worse then that.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Martin can actually play tho... that islanders 4th line with Cizikas and Clutterbuck + martin is 1 of the best 4th lines in the nhl over the last 3-5 years.

I dont think Johnston brings a whole lot to the table outside of fighting (id love for him to prove me wrong tho)... id keep him in over guys like Silf and Mcginn.. but i do think against some of the softer teams in the league Carrick/Gudas and the overall team being more physical and pushing back and sticking up for each other is more than enough

As much as I love Johnston, I can’t argue against any of this. V teams built like our team in the eakins era. Carrick and Gudas as well as guys like strome who throw down and Jones. That’s enough. But I really hope Johnston finds firm enough to become a staple on the 4th ljne

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Vatanen was a good NHL defenceman until he blew his shoulder out. Could do a lot worse then that.

Which is what I fear for drysdale.. Those kind of injuries change players..

 

[Mr Rogers]

Which is what I fear for drysdale.. Those kind of injuries change players..

it could very well have nothing to do with his shoulder this time. i don't think there's anything to be worried about right now.

 

[Kalv]

Any chance that Lyubushkin would be available due to you guys carrying so many defensemen?

Eventually, but not now. We need the vets to help our youngsters and Lyb is our 3rd best vet (Fowler, Gudas)

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Hey Folks,

We are getting off-topic with the Stephens discussion and whatnot. Need to get back on track with the roster/team discussion.

Thanks

Leo

Confirmed leonardo87 is leo carlsson

 

[FlyingV09]

Vatanen was a good NHL defenceman until he blew his shoulder out. Could do a lot worse then that.

He also wasn't an amazing skater. Zellweger is excellent in that regard