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Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread
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Ducks have 8 players on this list. Zegras #8. Carlsson #10. Gaucher and LaCombe made the list also.
But Apparently Leo Carlsson is not projected to become elite but Fantilli is.
But Apparently Leo Carlsson is not projected to become elite but Fantilli is.
You need that guy if he's also capable hockey player and can play more than 6 minutes a night and not get your team in trouble. Players like that are not easy to find. It's why many (me and you included) have voiced the frustration about trading Deslauriers. Solid 4th line player who could also PK (and do what you're talking about as well).
Overall Verbeek has added a lot of physicality to this team. You and I are on the same page about how soft he let last year's team begin with was downright unacceptable to me. However, he's done quite a bit to make us much tougher to play against. I'd like to add a Matt Martin to this team, but I don't think it's a coincidence that a team like the Islanders, who need cap space, haven't traded him. Players like him are valuable. It's frustrating that Verbeek didn't see that with Deslauriers before he was moved.
Ducks have 8 players on this list. Zegras #8. Carlsson #10. Gaucher and LaCombe made the list also.
But Apparently Leo Carlsson is not projected to become elite but Fantilli is.
I think it’s annoying how they keep underrating Leo, but either way it’s nice to see we have 3 in the top 20.
The Midnight Burrito
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Ducks have 8 players on this list. Zegras #8. Carlsson #10. Gaucher and LaCombe made the list also.
But Apparently Leo Carlsson is not projected to become elite but Fantilli is.
Drysdale has fallen quite a bit in Pronman's eyes (below Byfield!) but is still above Zellweger and Mintyukov.
We don't really know they're underrating him. I mean they have him in a tier with guys like Boldy/McTavish/Caufield, but below Zegras. It's interesting.
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Pronman mentioned on a recent podcast that the scales tip heavily in favor for players he's seen perform in the NHL. Might have something to do with it.
At this point have no issues with Leo falling under the radar.
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Missing an entire year really hurt him in the eyes of these rankings as he "did nothing" while others improved. Not sure I agree with the sentiment. His upside didn't really change but I guess the injury could cause someone to question if he can still reach it.
If I recall that list has Cstlsson 2 tiers below Fantili when most had them interchangeable at the draft. They're either underestimating Carlsson here or overestimating Fantili. That's how'd I'd look at it any way.
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Yikes, that list is going to hurt some feelings
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Ducks have 8 players on this list. Zegras #8. Carlsson #10. Gaucher and LaCombe made the list also.
But Apparently Leo Carlsson is not projected to become elite but Fantilli is.
Very questionable with his ranking. He also put Fantilli as having average skating...
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Still don't like where Leo is projected, but we do have 3 guys in the Top 15 (2 in the Top 10), so there is that. Pronman is only one dude but he does have some credibility I guess.
It's funny though, Jack Hughes had 99 points in the NHL last season, where as Bedard has yet to play a single NHL game, and Bedard is above him.
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Lane Hutson is 129 which is going to piss off MTL fans
Speculation and rankings aside (PLAYERS win hockey games, not rankings), I will be very pleased if Carlsson delivers on the ice the way we hope (and perhaps expect) he will. I cannot help but be very excited and positive about this upcoming season. Whether Leo plays in the NHL this season or not, I believe Cronin alone will be a massive boost for this team, and his discipline and systems will focus the young players (and hopefully the vets) on a winning attitude. Winning begets winning, and losing begets losing. We've had enough of the latter; time for more of the former and see if we can't make the playoffs.
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Ducks have 8 players on this list. Zegras #8. Carlsson #10. Gaucher and LaCombe made the list also.
But Apparently Leo Carlsson is not projected to become elite but Fantilli is.
We have 8 players in the top 50? Or out of how many?
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Tier 3
8. Zegras
Tier 4
10. Carlsson
15. McTavish
Tier 6
34. Drysdale
Tier 7
59. Zellweger
61. Mintyukov
Tier 8
142. Gaucher
153. LaCombe
Broberg above mintyukov and zellweger is certainly a choice.
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I did a top-25 Pronman U23 comparisons between the two years.
Here are the Ducks listed in Pronman's U23 for 2021:
12th. Tier 3: C Zegras
16th. Tier 4: D Drysdale
63rd. Tier 6: C McTavish
97th. Tier 7: LW Comtois
165th. Tier 7: C Groulx
180th. Tier 7: G Dostal
186th. Tier 7: D Zellweger
With respect to Fantilli and Michkov, Pronman did Leo dirty. Fantilli and Michkov's ranking are based upon projections, especially since neither are in the NHL. It doesn't make any sense for Carlsson to be two tiers below either unless Pronman grades on flash. Carlsson isn't flash, he's effectively efficient.
With respect to McTavish, Pronman gave Leo the benefit of the doubt. Pronman ranked McTavish a tier 6 prospect in McTavish's first available ranking at 63rd overall. Leo, otoh, is ranked 10th as a tier 4 prospect. McTavish and Carlsson are very similar players where a lot of their work isn't noticed or on the scoresheet as two-way players. Both make their line mates better.
Hey, McTavish is actually getting some recognition, but I think he should be in a higher tier.
An aside, our defense doesn't seem like it's being represented well for the most part. Surprised to see Drysdale so high, but also surprised to see the rest so low.
Here are the Ducks listed in Pronman's U23 for 2021:
12th. Tier 3: C Zegras
16th. Tier 4: D Drysdale
63rd. Tier 6: C McTavish
97th. Tier 7: LW Comtois
165th. Tier 7: C Groulx
180th. Tier 7: G Dostal
186th. Tier 7: D Zellweger
With respect to Fantilli and Michkov, Pronman did Leo dirty. Fantilli and Michkov's ranking are based upon projections, especially since neither are in the NHL. It doesn't make any sense for Carlsson to be two tiers below either unless Pronman grades on flash. Carlsson isn't flash, he's effectively efficient.
With respect to McTavish, Pronman gave Leo the benefit of the doubt. Pronman ranked McTavish a tier 6 prospect in McTavish's first available ranking at 63rd overall. Leo, otoh, is ranked 10th as a tier 4 prospect. McTavish and Carlsson are very similar players where a lot of their work isn't noticed or on the scoresheet as two-way players. Both make their line mates better.
Hey, McTavish is actually getting some recognition, but I think he should be in a higher tier.
An aside, our defense doesn't seem like it's being represented well for the most part. Surprised to see Drysdale so high, but also surprised to see the rest so low.
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Which is crazy because Drysdale has made a bigger impact in the NHL than Byfield, even after the season-ending injury.
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There’s always going to be the minuscule chance that Byfield becomes the next Tage Thompson. But for every Tage there are 50 big dudes who just never can hack it
Odds are not in his favor at this point
I think I would have Cooley higher than he is - there is tremendous upside to him. Very surprised Pronman didn’t put him in the top 20
Odds are not in his favor at this point
I think I would have Cooley higher than he is - there is tremendous upside to him. Very surprised Pronman didn’t put him in the top 20
Going to be very interesting to see how Drysdale develops. during the Covid year, he looked dynamic offensively in the AHL and NHL but then the next year he didn't really and his lack of a shot showed. I don't know what he'll become, honestly could see him ranging from a 20 to 25 pt defensive dman to a 50 point guy. Byfield shows very little offensive upside, outside of occasional baseline plays that you'd expect from any replacement level professional player.
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