Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[Hockey Duckie]

You be the judge…

2022-23

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2023-24 (still have 16 games to go )

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• 2022-23
  • Record after 66 games: 22-35-9 (53 pts)

• 2023-24
  • GF/GP: Improved by 0.04
  • GA/GP: Improved by 0.50
  • PP%: Improved by 3.2%
  • PK%: Improved by 2.3%
  • Record after 66 games: 23-40-3 (49 pts)

I'm more impressed with last year's club b/c they did more with far, far less.

 

[MMC]

I'm more impressed with last year's club b/c they did more with far, far less.

Can't really agree with this, this year's roster is definitely better but I don't think it's by as much as you seem to

 

[Mr Rogers]

• 2022-23
  • Record after 66 games: 22-35-9 (53 pts)

• 2023-24
  • GF/GP: Improved by 0.04
  • GA/GP: Improved by 0.50
  • PP%: Improved by 3.2%
  • PK%: Improved by 2.3%
  • Record after 66 games: 23-40-3 (49 pts)

I'm more impressed with last year's club b/c they did more with far, far less.

Tough to make that argument when they finished DFL. By definition they pretty much did the least can “do” after a full season.

 

[Rybread86]

• 2022-23
  • Record after 66 games: 22-35-9 (53 pts)

• 2023-24
  • GF/GP: Improved by 0.04
  • GA/GP: Improved by 0.50
  • PP%: Improved by 3.2%
  • PK%: Improved by 2.3%
  • Record after 66 games: 23-40-3 (49 pts)

I'm more impressed with last year's club b/c they did more with far, far less.

Did they though? Think about all of the injuries and different trades this season. It seems like this roster has been thrown way more curveballs and yet has still been able to improve a bit.

 

[gunnergunther]

Did they though? Think about all of the injuries and different trades this season. It seems like this roster has been thrown way more curveballs and yet has still been able to improve a bit.

Injuries this year pretty much mean zegras. The other two major guys that have missed chunks of time were not even on the team last year and last year both drysdale and Vaak were pretty much out the whole year.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Can't really agree with this, this year's roster is definitely better but I don't think it's by as much as you seem to

I think you’d be hard pressed to find a single person who wouldn’t take this years defensive corps over last 100 times out of a 100. In AINEC territory as far as which squad is better.

Last year’s defense was constructed to get Bedard.

 

[Rybread86]

Injuries this year pretty much mean zegras. The other two major guys that have missed chunks of time were not even on the team last year and last year both drysdale and Vaak were pretty much out the whole year.

Just because certain guys werent on the team doesnt mean that the injuries dont throw off the cohesity and flow of the team in general. and when your top guys are injured, it impacts the team heavily.

Killorn, Carlsson, Drysdale, Zegras, Terry, McTavish, Minty.

 

[Deuce22]

Just because certain guys werent on the team doesnt mean that the injuries dont throw off the cohesity and flow of the team in general. and when your top guys are injured, it impacts the team heavily.

Killorn, Carlsson, Drysdale, Zegras, Terry, McTavish, Minty.

Agree completely. It’s not fair to cite this years team as having superior talent, then discount all the injuries to most of the best players.

 

[gunnergunther]

Agree completely. It’s not fair to cite this years team as having superior talent, then discount all the injuries to most of the best players.

Because it has superior talent aside from the injuries. Last years team had injuries too, which why so many players that aren’t even the nhl this year like Grant, megna, beaulieu, white.. started over 40 games for us last year.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Lmaoo Gibson is under siege.. Once he breaks.. He will be out of the game with a lower body injury.. Book it

 

[Perratrooper]

Just out of curiosity, if Colorado were to move on from Rantanen what would the Ducks give up for an extended Rantanen at 11.5x8?

 

[All Mighty]

Just out of curiosity, if Colorado were to move on from Rantanen what would the Ducks give up for an extended Rantanen at 11.5x8?

I'd probably do something around Zegras + Zellweger.

 

[Perratrooper]

I'd probably do something around Zegras + Zellweger.

I appreciate the insight on what you think the Ducks would consider, I think the Avs would likely pass on that offer though.

 

[Gliff]

Just out of curiosity, if Colorado were to move on from Rantanen what would the Ducks give up for an extended Rantanen at 11.5x8?

I just dont see the Ducks giving up anywhere close to the value you would want for it to be worth it for the Aves.

Obviously Carlsson isn't going anywhere, you said no to Zegras + top prospect, the Ducks shouldnt be trading 1sts for the next 5 years.

So what are you expecting? Zegras + 2024 1st + Gauthier? Rantanen is a stud but the Ducks have nowhere near the organizational depth to make a deal like that.

 

[Perratrooper]

I just dont see the Ducks giving up anywhere close to the value you would want for it to be worth it for the Aves.

Obviously Carlsson isn't going anywhere, you said no to Zegras + top prospect, the Ducks shouldnt be trading 1sts for the next 5 years.

So what are you expecting? Zegras + 2024 1st + Gauthier? Rantanen is a stud but the Ducks have nowhere near the organizational depth to make a deal like that.

Zellweger is something the Avs already have in spades (Girard, Behrens, Gulyayev), so he’s not a prospect that would particularly be a good target from an Avs perspective. Zegras is great, but he’s having an injury plagued down season. Still a great starting piece, but given the two players it wouldn’t be in-line with what Colorado would likely want.

Like you said Carlson is untouchable, but I do find it a bit off to hear that the Ducks don’t have the organizational depth. With Rantanen they could run:

Vatrano-Carlson-Rantanen
Killorn-McTavish-Terry

And still have $30m to sign two top 4 defensemen and some bottom 6 forwards.

I’m not saying that’s the trade, I’m just saying that top 6 looks pretty damn good for the Ducks.

 

[mightyquack]

There is something hilarious that if we make that move that only 2 of our top 6 are under the age of 23. By the start of next season:

Vatrano (30), Carlsson (19), Rantanen (28)
Killorn (35), McTavish (21), Terry (27)

Ratanen is an awesome player, but he really doesn't fit into our window at all and doesn't push us so far over the top we're a contender, given our glaring holes on defence. I'd rather have Zegras and Gauthier at this stage as long as they keep developing towards being great top 6 forwards.

Nothing against Ratanen, but it's not a fit for the assets we would have to give up IMO.

 

[anezthes]

What do you get for 23 million in the NHL?

7M: Terry, 6 games, 0 points, -7, 10 shots
6M: Killorn, 3 games, 0 points, -1, 1 shot
5M: Silfver, 10 games, 0 points, -2, 9 shots
5M: Strome, 4 games, 0 points, -4, 7 shots

Just out of curiosity, if Colorado were to move on from Rantanen what would the Ducks give up for an extended Rantanen at 11.5x8?

A 2nd round pick. Also Strome, Killorn and Silfverberg. I'll even throw in a Terry.

I’m not saying that’s the trade, I’m just saying that top 6 looks pretty damn good for the Ducks.

If you discount the fact that Vatrano and Killorn aren't long-term solutions, sure. But you'd have to extremely dumb to do that.

 

[Perratrooper]

There is something hilarious that if we make that move that only 2 of our top 6 are under the age of 23. By the start of next season:

Vatrano (30), Carlsson (19), Rantanen (28)
Killorn (35), McTavish (21), Terry (27)

Ratanen is an awesome player, but he really doesn't fit into our window at all and doesn't push us so far over the top we're a contender, given our glaring holes on defence. I'd rather have Zegras and Gauthier at this stage as long as they keep developing towards being great top 6 forwards.

Nothing against Ratanen, but it's not a fit for the assets we would have to give up IMO.

Completely fair, not to be clear I wasn’t saying the trade should be Zegras+Gauthier+2024 first, but at the end of the day of the Ducks fans feel he is too old to fit with their core I can understand it.


On an unrelated note, how has Helleson been this year? I see he hasn’t gotten any games with the big club and wasn’t sure if that’s to allow him to develop better in the A or due to play.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zellweger is something the Avs already have in spades (Girard, Behrens, Gulyayev), so he’s not a prospect that would particularly be a good target from an Avs perspective. Zegras is great, but he’s having an injury plagued down season. Still a great starting piece, but given the two players it wouldn’t be in-line with what Colorado would likely want.

Like you said Carlson is untouchable, but I do find it a bit off to hear that the Ducks don’t have the organizational depth. With Rantanen they could run:

Vatrano-Carlson-Rantanen
Killorn-McTavish-Terry

And still have $30m to sign two top 4 defensemen and some bottom 6 forwards.

I’m not saying that’s the trade, I’m just saying that top 6 looks pretty damn good for the Ducks.

I think at this point we just have to continue what we’re doing…. No point to sell off any of our core for a piece like rantanen unless the avs want a future heavy package.

Eichel got tuch, 1st(16), krebs and a 2nd(or use the tkachuk trade) …. So what’s the difference between the them in terms of value? If the avs traded rantanen they like are disappointed with the value.

I guess id think about something on the lines of

Celebrini for rantanen(assuming he’s resigning), as it’s very unlikely celebrini is as good as rantanen.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Completely fair, not to be clear I wasn’t saying the trade should be Zegras+Gauthier+2024 first, but at the end of the day of the Ducks fans feel he is too old to fit with their core I can understand it.


On an unrelated note, how has Helleson been this year? I see he hasn’t gotten any games with the big club and wasn’t sure if that’s to allow him to develop better in the A or due to play.

It's both. He's good-to-okay without the puck but terrible with the puck. Took a step back this year IMO.

 

[Perratrooper]

I think at this point we just have to continue what we’re doing…. No point to sell off any of our core for a piece like rantanen unless the avs want a future heavy package.

Eichel got tuch, 1st(16), krebs and a 2nd(or use the tkachuk trade) …. So what’s the difference between the them in terms of value? If the avs traded rantanen they like are disappointed with the value.

I guess id think about something on the lines of

Celebrini for rantanen(assuming he’s resigning), as it’s very unlikely celebrini is as good as rantanen.

Now would you consider adding one of Zegras or Gauthier to that package with the Avs possibly sending back a small piece (Wood, Malinski)? Totally get it that’s too much, but it would leave the Ducks in a pretty good position still and allow for them to still keep a fairly young core. For example the ducks could then run:

Vatrano-Carlson-Rantanen
Zegras/Gauthier-McTavish-Terry
Wood-Strome-Killorn

 

[AngelDuck]

I think at this point we just have to continue what we’re doing…. No point to sell off any of our core for a piece like rantanen unless the avs want a future heavy package.

Eichel got tuch, 1st(16), krebs and a 2nd(or use the tkachuk trade) …. So what’s the difference between the them in terms of value? If the avs traded rantanen they like are disappointed with the value.

I guess id think about something on the lines of

Celebrini for rantanen(assuming he’s resigning), as it’s very unlikely celebrini is as good as rantanen.

That’s definitely not true IMO

 

[MMC]

Good chance we finish this season with only Gibson and Dostal playing in games for us. This would be the first season we only had 2 goalies play games for us since the lockout shortened 2012-13, and the first full season since 2008-09

 

[MMC]

Who do you put on Colangelo's line to start?

 

[barriers]