Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

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Look at the stats you posted. There’s improvement in every area. 0.82 goals against per game less is not insignificant.

Our biggest need is offense. Getting healthy would be a boost and allow us to see what we actually have. I like that Cronin is actually trying different lines. I always felt Eakins tried things over and over and over again that never worked.

I'll repost what I read because you apparently didn't read my post completely:

This year, Cronin has more talent and talent depth given to him. We're only 3 point better than Eakins' team last year who had a far worse PP, far worse PK, and far worse defense due to Verbeek's roster construction.​

Is Cronin a better coach or does he have a better set of defensemen and balance at his disposal? Fowler's essentially the only returning player in the lineup. Drysdale was lost after 8 games last year. Vaak was constantly injured and didn't have a long enough burn. We had a plethora of fringe NHL/AHL journeymen defensemen last year. White and Harrington, last year's d-men, were sent to the AHL before the season started. Hagg, a FA signee before the season started, was also sent down to the AHL. Beaulieu is in Europe. Klingberg and Kulikov are offensive d-men. Benoit started off in the AHL for the Leafs.

Offensively, the team added Killorn and Carlsson to the lineup along with Mac going into his sophomore year in the league. Z and Terry aren't producing under Cronin. Vatrano and Strome can't generate any offense unless Mac is on the ice. We have more top-6 talent this year than last year. Yet the only times we look good offensively is when Mac's on the ice and our 4th line, b/c they play the North-South game. Z and Terry play it differently.

I see you're trying to save face here, but I don't think you're looking at this objectively. I know Cronin's not going anywhere this year or next b/c he's Verbeek's guy. Yet, Cronin was gifted a far better roster than Eakins along with an improved PP and PK unit, which is also probably due to an improved roster. Cronin's ES scoring isn't there. Why?

As for Eakins trying things differently, maybe you didn't pay close enough attn last year. Eakins change how the Ducks played and went with the run-n-gun, allowing for our SOG against to go consistently around 40 shots per game. Here's evidence.

Ducks2022-23Eakins
Game SetGamesWLOTLPtsPts Pct
Total
82​
23​
47​
12​
58​
35.4%​
1 to 25
25​
6​
16​
3​
15​
30.0%​
26 to 49
24​
9​
13​
2​
20​
41.7%​
50 to 61
12​
5​
5​
2​
12​
50.0%​
62 to 82 (TDL)
21​
3​
13​
5​
11​
26.2%​

Around the TDL, we lost Rico for a long spell. Then traded away OFD's in Klingberg and Kulikov. With even fewer talent on D, the team was a littler engine that barely could.

Ducks2023-24Cronin
Game setGamesWLOTLPtsPts %
Total
38​
13​
24​
1​
27​
0.355​
1 to 25
25​
10​
15​
0​
20​
0.400​
26 to 38
13​
3​
9​
1​
7​
0.269​

We're not improving from game 26 onward. But it's still a small sample when comparing it to last year's splits.
 
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I'll repost what I read because you apparently didn't read my post completely:

This year, Cronin has more talent and talent depth given to him. We're only 3 point better than Eakins' team last year who had a far worse PP, far worse PK, and far worse defense due to Verbeek's roster construction.​

Is Cronin a better coach or does he have a better set of defensemen and balance at his disposal? Fowler's essentially the only returning player in the lineup. Drysdale was lost after 8 games last year. Vaak was constantly injured and didn't have a long enough burn. We had a plethora of fringe NHL/AHL journeymen defensemen last year. White and Harrington, last year's d-men, were sent to the AHL before the season started. Hagg, a FA signee before the season started, was also sent down to the AHL. Beaulieu is in Europe. Klingberg and Kulikov are offensive d-men. Benoit started off in the AHL for the Leafs.

Offensively, the team added Killorn and Carlsson to the lineup along with Mac going into his sophomore year in the league. Z and Terry aren't producing under Cronin. Vatrano and Strome can't generate any offense unless Mac is on the ice. We have more top-6 talent this year than last year. Yet the only times we look good offensively is when Mac's on the ice and our 4th line, b/c they play the North-South game. Z and Terry play it differently.

I see you're trying to save face here, but I don't think you're looking at this objectively. I know Cronin's not going anywhere this year or next b/c he's Verbeek's guy. Yet, Cronin was gifted a far better roster than Eakins along with an improved PP and PK unit, which is also probably due to an improved roster. Cronin's ES scoring isn't there. Why?

As for Eakins trying things differently, maybe you didn't pay close enough attn last year. Eakins change how the Ducks played and went with the run-n-gun, allowing for our SOG against to go consistently around 40 shots per game. Here's evidence.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Ducks[/TH]
[TH]2022-23[/TH]
[TH]Eakins[/TH]
[TH][/TH]

[TH][/TH]

[TH][/TH]

[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Game Set[/TD]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]OTL[/TD]
[TD]Pts[/TD]
[TD]Pts Pct[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total[/TD]

[TD]
82​
[/TD]

[TD]
23​
[/TD]

[TD]
47​
[/TD]

[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]
58​
[/TD]

[TD]
35.4%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1 to 25[/TD]

[TD]
25​
[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]
16​
[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
15​
[/TD]

[TD]
30.0%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26 to 49[/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]
20​
[/TD]

[TD]
41.7%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]50 to 61[/TD]

[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]
50.0%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]62 to 82 (TDL)[/TD]

[TD]
21​
[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]
11​
[/TD]

[TD]
26.2%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Around the TDL, we lost Rico for a long spell. Then traded away OFD's in Klingberg and Kulikov. With even fewer talent on D, the team was a littler engine that barely could.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Ducks[/TH]
[TH]2023-24[/TH]
[TH]Cronin[/TH]
[TH][/TH]

[TH][/TH]

[TH][/TH]

[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Game set[/TD]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]OTL[/TD]
[TD]Pts[/TD]
[TD]Pts %[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total[/TD]

[TD]
38​
[/TD]

[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]
27​
[/TD]

[TD]
0.355​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1 to 25[/TD]

[TD]
25​
[/TD]

[TD]
10​
[/TD]

[TD]
15​
[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]
20​
[/TD]

[TD]
0.400​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26 to 38[/TD]

[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]
0.269​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We're not improving from game 26 onward. But it's still a small sample when comparing it to last year's splits.
I rarely do. Sorry you wasted your time.
 
When you look at the roster who played this game, I would say marginally better than last season. All healthy, definitely better. Cronin has had to deal with lots of injuries, young players, and inconsistent refs. He's also only had a 1/3rd of a season. PV stated that they are 2 years out so this is exactly where he expects the Ducks to be so it isn't surprising.
 
Thinking about next year, we will have a problem with balance on D unless some big trades are made, it seems. On the RD we have Drysdale and Gudas already. Luneau was arguably ready this year, he should have a spot next year. On the left side we have Fowler and Minty already. Zellweger is putting up massive points in the A – while it is not a given he'd be ready for a full NHl year next season, he'll very likely play a lot of games. Vaaks is decent I guess, he might stay as an extra.

Fowler-Drysdale
Mintyukov-Luneau
Zellweger-Gudas
Vaaks

This is lacking a lot of experience and toughness. Lots of offense but who plays on the PK and at the end of games? Players will be put in tough situations to succeed.

Obviously, a good problem to have with so much young talent, but feels like it will require to make some decisions.
 
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Thinking about next year, we will have a problem with balance on D unless some big trades are made, it seems. On the RD we have Drysdale and Gudas already. Luneau was arguably ready this year, he should have a spot next year. On the left side we have Fowler and Minty already. Zellweger is putting up massive points in the A – while it is not a given he'd be ready for a full NHl year next season, he'll very likely play a lot of games. Vaaks is decent I guess, he might stay as an extra.

Fowler-Drysdale
Mintyukov-Luneau
Zellweger-Gudas
Vaaks

This is lacking a lot of experience and toughness. Lots of offense but who plays on the PK and at the end of games? Players will be put in tough situations to succeed.

Obviously, a good problem to have with so much young talent, but feels like it will require to make some decisions.
Another reason we should really be hoping LaCombe can figure it out again. He’s solid on the PK. As cool as it would be, there just might not be room on the back end for all of Drysdale, Minty, Luneau and Zellweger.
 
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Another reason we should really be hoping LaCombe can figure it out again. He’s solid on the PK. As cool as it would be, there just might not be room on the back end for all of Drysdale, Minty, Luneau and Zellweger.

Those 4 with 2 bruisers and you're set for the next 10 years.
 
Drysdale, Minty, Luneau, Zellweger and the two brutes.
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Another reason we should really be hoping LaCombe can figure it out again. He’s solid on the PK. As cool as it would be, there just might not be room on the back end for all of Drysdale, Minty, Luneau and Zellweger.
Holly... I forgot LaCombe. Ups and downs but he's NHL caliber player. Add him to that mix and yeah, someone WILL have to go
 
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Place is a zoo. I’m out in the middle of Narnia in the parking lot with no Teemu bobblehead.

@MMC tell whoever is in charge of concessions to bring back the full-size popcorn. I am hangry
 
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*Remembers the cream of Bieksa and Larsson rising over Theo and Monty*

*Screams*
*Screams more*

IIRC, Bieksa had a NMC and that was signed before VGK became an expansion team. Murray didn't ask Bieksa to waive his contract, probably b/c he wanted to uphold the contract. Trading Theo was to protect the other young d-men in tow in Manson and Vatanen, who were older than Theo along with the Ducks still in playoff window. I was saddened when we traded Theo b/c he was my fav prospect at the time and even got his sig at the dev camp (or rookie scrimmage). Yet, was irritated when VGK twitter was advertising at looking our young d-men corps. They were gonna benefit from our scouting prowess.

As for Monty, it wasn't over Larsson. It was over other factors, including how he played wasn't conducive to team play. It took Monty two organizations to figure things. He didn't take a significant step forward until last season, 2022-23. We traded him at the 2018-19 TDL.
 
In the offseason, sign Chris Tanev, Sam Carrick, Warren Foegele, Sam Lafferty, and Jani Hakanpaa. Nontender Jones and buyout McGinn

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Gauthier
Killorn-Lundestrom-Strome
Foegele-Carrick-Lafferty
Johnston/Leason

Fowler-Tanev
Mintyukov-Gudas
Vaakanainen/Lacombe-Hakanpaa

Tracey, Zellweger, Luneau, Perreault, Regenda, Nesterenko get shots as injuries come up.
 
In the offseason, sign Chris Tanev, Sam Carrick, Warren Foegele, Sam Lafferty, and Jani Hakanpaa. Nontender Jones and buyout McGinn

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Gauthier
Killorn-Lundestrom-Strome
Foegele-Carrick-Lafferty
Johnston/Leason

Fowler-Tanev
Mintyukov-Gudas
Vaakanainen/Lacombe-Hakanpaa

Tracey, Zellweger, Luneau, Perreault, Regenda, Nesterenko get shots as injuries come up.

I think Jones stays, he will be cheap. I also think at least Luneau or Zelle makes the roster full time.

I don't know that we will see a buyout right now. I think it's more likely McGinn is the 13th forward and gets 25ish games
 
In the offseason, sign Chris Tanev, Sam Carrick, Warren Foegele, Sam Lafferty, and Jani Hakanpaa. Nontender Jones and buyout McGinn

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Gauthier
Killorn-Lundestrom-Strome
Foegele-Carrick-Lafferty
Johnston/Leason

Fowler-Tanev
Mintyukov-Gudas
Vaakanainen/Lacombe-Hakanpaa

Tracey, Zellweger, Luneau, Perreault, Regenda, Nesterenko get shots as injuries come up.
I think luneau probably stays with the team next year but I do think moving Drysdale does open an opportunity to add a defensive RD that's an upgrade to Lyubushkin.
 
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