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I’m disappointed with Johnston. I think he’s been a shell of what he used to be and probably why the Islanders moved on from his long term contract. I think it might have been his beating that he got from Reaves which made him less of an Alpha and more defensive.
He does give us someone to handle heavyweights instead of using undersized Carrick and his face, but Ross isn’t close to being like a Deslauriers… who is just nastier, a more active hitter and scrapper, and who can actually contribute offensively and defensively. He definitely made a positive influence with the Flyers who are currently over performing. Ross is just a stopgap because Cronin probably pushed for him unlike Eakins who just accepted the bodies that Verbeek gave him.
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Zegs2sendhelp
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Groulx and mcginn had solid games last night.... johnston just a big ball of nothing..... silf is slightly worse than johnson
But ya leason has been consistent all year.
This roster is a 3-legged dog at best but right now one of those legs is broken.
Tough to watch.
Tough to watch.
Zegras looked very good on the wing last game. The team is cursed beyond cursed, him especially since he couldn’t even get on the score-sheet last night with all those set ups. I think the opportunity to be the 1C is coming to an end, but if he ends up a 70-80 point winger, am more than fine with that. Last night could have coped better if he potted a goal late, even if they ended up losing 3-2. It just beyond sucks now.
It’s getting to the point where it’s a lost season for him, maybe he can get over a .50 PPG average, which is not terrible, build some confidence and just focus on next season which is about 8-9 months away. Same for Terry as well. The contract hold out, the rotating players in and out of the Top 6 has really hurt them.
Staying up very late when they only score one goal a game is not fun. They aren’t bleeding goals but they aren‘t scoring them either.
It’s getting to the point where it’s a lost season for him, maybe he can get over a .50 PPG average, which is not terrible, build some confidence and just focus on next season which is about 8-9 months away. Same for Terry as well. The contract hold out, the rotating players in and out of the Top 6 has really hurt them.
Staying up very late when they only score one goal a game is not fun. They aren’t bleeding goals but they aren‘t scoring them either.
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well that team shut out the ducks too.
You miss one or two guys, you can get through even a team not as deep. We have had most if not all of our Top 6 miss significant time or at least multiple games.
Hockey Duckie
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Psst... Cronin has to accept whenever Verbeek says to play Carlsson and Luneau. Eakins actually rebuffed Verbeek on keeping rookie Regenda in the NHL last year.
Anyhow, Verbeek took away Des from Eakins. Verbeek also took away the Ducks top-2 defensive d-men from Eakins. Verbeek didn't replace not a single one of their talents last year. This year, Verbeek's brought in Johnston as a heavy along with two def d-men in Gudas and Lyubushkin.
I can't remember who said it or where but: I'm over a guy "looking good". We need actual productivity at this point.
Yeah, agreed. Enough is enough, even if they have to get a deflection or something.
Get some greasy goals, whatever it takes. Maybe Zegras needs to start cheating on offense a bit again.
I want Z to stop worrying about Defense and just play his game. This is why I don’t mind him on wing. Him becoming a two player is not going to happen, and that’s fine.
Hockey Duckie
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I want to believe they're just adapting to a new system, but who knows? This year is insane regression from both of them.
Hockey Duckie
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I remember doing a comparison between last year and this year with Terry and Z. Both are producing far lower this year than last.
Here's the kicker, Eakins had Z productive ever since he had Z.
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Fire Greg Cronin!
I wonder if going scorched earth is a way to go. People seem to think ‘running it back’ with the same group over and over will accomplish something.
This team isn’t playing well, and I know I am completely disinterested in watching them (as sad it is to say). There just doesn’t seem to be any passion there.
This ‘culture’ screams lackadaisical. Hoard up on early round picks from your Fowler, Henrique, Gibson, and Jones (maybe even Terry) returns and figure it out from there.
Too many lowly skilled bottom six players, not enough guys with star qualities out there. Sucks that Nylander is going to stay in Toronto - would have loved him here
This team isn’t playing well, and I know I am completely disinterested in watching them (as sad it is to say). There just doesn’t seem to be any passion there.
This ‘culture’ screams lackadaisical. Hoard up on early round picks from your Fowler, Henrique, Gibson, and Jones (maybe even Terry) returns and figure it out from there.
Too many lowly skilled bottom six players, not enough guys with star qualities out there. Sucks that Nylander is going to stay in Toronto - would have loved him here
Zegs2sendhelp
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The issue is what do you really hope to get from fowler gibson Henrique and Jones?
Fowler you’d have to hope for a favorable market + him wanting out or willing to open up to more than 4 teams which seems unlikely.
Henrique best case is prob a conditional 1st… but more than likely a 2nd + b prospect
Gibson unfortunately prob doesn’t hold anywhere near the value us fans would want to sell him for, so almost better to keep him, and dostal ain’t ready for full time yet
Jones won’t return much, he’s a vanilla bottom 6 player that is injury prone
Hockey Duckie
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What if it's coaching?
- After 38 games
- Last year
- Record = 10-24-4 (24 pts)
- GF = 88 (2.32 GFpg)
- GA = 158 (4.16 GApg)
- PP rank = 31st
- PK rank = 31st
- This year
- Record = 13-24-1
- GF = 95 (2.50 GFpg)
- GA = 127 (3.34 GApg)
- PP rank = 18th
- PK rank = 18th
- Last year
This year, Cronin has more talent and talent depth given to him. We're only 3 point better than Eakins' team last year who had a far worse PP, far worse PK, and far worse defense due to Verbeek's roster construction.
Wondering when Cronin will receive the same vitriol for being incapable of coaching at the NHL level by the masses on here?
We were Eakins’ second failed tenure. The guy had like 7 seasons and couldn’t make anything happen. Cronin has a long way to go before he gets there.
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Look at the stats you posted. There’s improvement in every area. 0.82 goals against per game less is not insignificant.
Our biggest need is offense. Getting healthy would be a boost and allow us to see what we actually have. I like that Cronin is actually trying different lines. I always felt Eakins tried things over and over and over again that never worked.
Hockey Duckie
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Let's simply gloss over the fact that Cronin is only 3 points better with a much better roster. But if the 2022-23 season isn't enough for you, then let's look at the 2021-22 season.
- 2021-22, After 38 games
- Record = 19-12-7 (45 pts)
- GF = 116 (3.05 GF/g)
- GA = 106 (2.78 GA/g)
- 2nd in Pacific Division
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