2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind

[Young Sandwich]

Did Torts name Couturier captain just so he could have this opportunity to scratch him and unite the room against the big bad coach? Bold "strategy" if true.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A good reminder that Tortorella is a dishonest sack of shit without an ounce of authenticity, who should not be trusted for anything.

He strikes me as a Paterno-like guy, where even charitable work is a cynical exercise in appearance and ego and nothing more. Everything serves him. Service of others doesn't exist.

The worst kind of coach to have! This is positive because the players will be stronger when they survive it, and a lot more appreciative of whoever is next.

 

[mr figgles]

Saw some hubaloo on Twitter and now I check this thread to confirm. Should never have been hired. He's detrimental to everyone around him. If Danny B had any common sense he would shit can this guy. But he doesn't. Coots never says anything this spicy. So that's how f***ed up things have become.

Would probably be a bad idea to shitcan the guy that’s going to be your boss soon.

 

[DancingPanther]

The Godking Emperor hath decreed.

Clarke probably loving it. "This team needs a spark. Someone needs to light a fire somehow"

Even CoC is torching Jack T over this?! Wowwwww

 

[Magua]

Tortorella is the same guy he was last month, last year, and before he took the job. I'm still mostly angry at the people that not only decided to keep him (Briere), but those that reportedly made it a requirement such that they limited their GM pool to candidates who could handle him.

Those same people are probably titillated by Couturier being scratched. If there’s one thing we know about cults, it’s that leaving is hard! (And one or two murders isn’t the end of the world.)

What even is the line with Tortorella? I doubt it’s performance because he can shuffle off blame with the best of ‘em. He’s masterfully positioned himself as the most powerful person in the perfect organization to gobble up his manure. He can’t lose the locker room; the room can only lose him. Does any coach have more job security (with such a short tenure and little success)? I’ve never heard of a coach taking a regular season sabbatical for 9 games. Nick Nurse was coaching Summer League!

 

[ponder719]

Saw some hubaloo on Twitter and now I check this thread to confirm. Should never have been hired. He's detrimental to everyone around him. If Danny B had any common sense he would shit can this guy. But he doesn't. Coots never says anything this spicy. So that's how f***ed up things have become.

It's got nothing to do with common sense. They made clear early in the hiring process that they weren't considering candidates who wanted to remove Tortorella; his retention was always a condition of hire. He doesn't leave until he says so or until Hilferty loses confidence in him.

Flyers announce ‘new era of orange’ with Danny Brière and Keith Jones hires

The Flyers' leadership group will now include Dan Hilferty, Valerie Camillo, John Tortorella, and new hires Jones (president of hockey operations) and Brière (general manager).

www.inquirer.com

I mean, when the guy in charge calls him the "spiritual leader" of the cult team, that's not someone who loses a power struggle.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Did Briere/Jones force Torts to name him captain ?

100%. Torts was very clear that he wasn't naming a captain this year and then Couts was named out of the blue randomly more than half way through the season.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Remember when I asked a certain contrarian: what was an action the coach could take that would actually make you view him negatively? And his answer was "If he questioned Couts' work ethic"?

You think that individual will own up to this new development and call out Torts?

#crickets.....

 

[DancingPanther]

Wait wait.

HE'S SCRATCHED?!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Those same people are probably titillated by Couturier being scratched. If there’s one thing we know about cults, it’s that leaving is hard! (And one or two murders isn’t the end of the world.)

What even is the line with Tortorella? I doubt it’s performance because he can shuffle off blame with the best of ‘em. He’s masterfully positioned himself as the most powerful person in the perfect organization to gobble up his manure. He can’t lose the locker room; the room can only lose him. Does any coach have more job security (with such a short tenure and little success)? I’ve never heard of a coach taking a regular season sabbatical for 9 games. Nick Nurse was coaching Summer League!

It got spun as some innovative thing too.

Not basically a coach knowing they have enough stroke to suggest to their employer they really shouldn’t have to be on the bench for some pointless games to end the season.

 

[Magua]

Briere comes across as such a milquetoast. This is the same guy who threw a tantrum in his autobiography about Michel Therrien (who’d he last coach for?) humiliating him at video sessions and practices. Stockholm Syndrome is real, folks.

 

[Cody Webster]

Wait wait.

HE'S SCRATCHED?!

Biggest game of the year, against one of the top 3 players in the league, AT HOME.

Got to love that new era of orange

 

[Magua]

100%. Torts was very clear that he wasn't naming a captain this year and then Couts was named out of the blue randomly more than half way through the season.

@Hollywood Cannon can maybe find the source, but I believe Tortorella approached Briere about naming a captain. Your notion is more logical given the follow-up events, but logic isn’t valued much in this organization.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Gotta fix the locker room.

#lockerroom cancer AGAIN..

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

@Hollywood Cannon can maybe find the source, but I believe Tortorella approached Briere about naming a captain. It was his choice alone.

That legitimately shocks me.

Wonder what changed his mind... maybe to pull a stunt like today to flex his authority.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Hollywood Cannon can maybe find the source, but I believe Tortorella approached Briere about naming a captain. Your notion is more logical given the follow-up events, but logic isn’t valued much in this organization.

I know Briere talked about it during the Town Hall.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Please tell me how this isn’t the worst run franchise in the NHL

Legit answers welcome

 

[Striiker]

The timing of naming him captain and then the next day (literally) playing him his lowest TOI of the season was always fishy. Especially when Tortorella approached Briere out of nowhere saying he wanted him captain.

Couturier has been rotting with Deslauriers, he’s been benched for a 3rd period, now healthy scratched. For a Selke player who never slacks in effort or detail, that’s a slap in the face — in a playoff push yet. Laughton had a stretch no less brutal, without the injury fatigue factor (which the coach caused by his exorbitant Pyrrhic victory early usage), but of course a scratch would never happen.

Remember too: Couturier had a January injury which caused him to miss games. While playing through that, and not publicly making excuses, the coach questions your effort? Woof.

You're right, the timing is very fishy.
I've constructed a scenario that I've decided is now canon in the Flyers Cinematic Universe.

-Tortorella feels he isn't getting enough attention lately
-Players are looking to Couturier for leadership instead of Torts
-Torts doesn't like that
-Nobody is bigger than Torts. Nobody.
-Torts decides to make a big deal of giving Couturier the C
-"Sure, Couturier is a leader, but look at how I'm above him and can bestow a letter upon him!"
-Nobody cares
-Players still giving Couturier too much attention
-Torts is upset
-Torts is supposed to be the center of all attention at all times
-"Fine. I'll just have to knock him down a few pegs."
-Benchings, scratchings, and eventually character assassinations to the media
-The fans turn on Couturier because their Emperor Torts told them to
-Couturier gets traded for culture reasons
-Torts back on top

 

[bennysflyers16]

Tk walks, 100%
Couts, Farabee should demand trades. I wonder if those 3 moves get the bitch twins Briere Jones to man up ?

Let this toilet franchise burn to the ground.

 

[Starat327]

You guys just aren't as smart as the rest of us to understand why this is a great move.

 

[renberg]

Torts has two years left at $4M per. Coots has six at $7,750,000. Who has the leverage here?

It has to be tough for a coach to push their club to improve; then to get a sniff of the POs only to realize that it’s not in their best interests and have to back off. To accept that player development is more important. Some coaches could handle that. Torts isn’t one of them. He’s balls to the walls all of the time. If it fails, the problem for it was not him.
The guy can’t control himself. Wins are all that matters to him. It’s why he was a poor hire here. Did the club need someone to come in and clear out the locker room and bring accountability? Absolutely! After that the job was player development over everything else. Torts isn’t on this. He’s only on the win train.
Really, it’s time to cut him loose. He’s not going to change. The longer that he stays here the more damage he will cause.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Couturier saying the quiet part out loud. Good for him. Torts can f*** off

 

[trostol]

Frankly..aside from selling the team..once again the top to the bottom need to be swept out...Danny seems to be GM in name only

 

[bennysflyers16]

This is Torts sabotaging the team and any hope of playoffs just to fuel his arrogant f*** of himself.

He is a putrid human whos only redeeming quality is he likes animals.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

There’s a reason you ended up with Danny Briere & Keith Jones as your GM & President. There’s a reason Chuck Fletcher didn’t want Tortorella as his head coach & there’s a reason other potential candidates weren’t interested in the jobs under the condition that they inherit Tortorella with a lot of say in things. He was a known political animal before he came here & the Flyers essentially fed him steroids since then.