2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition

[Alex K]

26/27 lineup

Farabee - Gauthier - Michkov
Cates - Frost - Laine
Desnoyers - Couturier - Foerster
Giroux - Poehling - Tuomaala

York - Levshunov
Sanheim - Bonk
Andrae - Ristolainen

Hart
Kolosov

 

[Striiker]

Gauthier

Is

Not

A

Center

 

[bauer]

I think it’s all gonna depend on what happens in the next two drafts. If we draft a 1C with our top pick then I could see them moving Cutter to LW. If they don’t draft a 1C and end up with another top wing or D, then Cutter will likely be our 1C. The team really seems to like him there, so unless they get a better option, that’s probably where he’ll play.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Hypothetically, would you (as Flyers GM for this year) sign Kane or Tarasenko for 1 year, 8-9 million deal knowing that they're just going to be flipped at the deadline?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Absolutely incredible that the dude is still posting here and hasn't changed at all.

Meltzer or someone else?

Hypothetically, would you (as Flyers GM for this year) sign Kane or Tarasenko for 1 year, 8-9 million deal knowing that they're just going to be flipped at the deadline?

No lol. There's a reason they haven't been signed yet. That deal is no where near a reality.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

No lol. There's a reason they haven't been signed yet. That deal is no where near a reality.

There’s likely several reasons why they haven’t been signed yet - but I do not believe this exact deal is why they will not get signed. Could be they want to wait and see if they’ll get more in AAV or term.

But regardless, that wasn’t my question. I said if you could get either right now for that price, would you do it for the Flyers?

If the answer is still no, then that’s accepted.

 

[FLYguy3911]

There’s likely several reasons why they haven’t been signed yet - but I do not believe this exact deal is why they will not get signed. Could be they want to wait and see if they’ll get more in AAV or term.

But regardless, that wasn’t my question. I said if you could get either right now for that price, would you do it for the Flyers?

If the answer is still no, then that’s accepted.

Well Kane isn't even healthy so that is a huge contract for someone that plays, maybe 20 games?

I don't believe you sign a player with the sole intention of trading them at the deadline. So many ways that can go wrong (both have had major injuries also). Also takes away a lineup spot for a younger player in a "rebuilding" year. That's a big cap hit to move at the deadline too, even at 50% (likely maxes out your retention slots also). And I'm guessing a contender could sign them to similar deals outright for the full year. All for what? A mid round pick? Easy pass.

 

[Curufinwe]

Neither of them are worth 8m+, even if the Flyers had that much room.

 

[Cody Webster]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hypothetically, would you (as Flyers GM for this year) sign Kane or Tarasenko for 1 year, 8-9 million deal knowing that they're just going to be flipped at the deadline?

Easily

 

[JojoTheWhale]

There’s likely several reasons why they haven’t been signed yet - but I do not believe this exact deal is why they will not get signed. Could be they want to wait and see if they’ll get more in AAV or term.

But regardless, that wasn’t my question. I said if you could get either right now for that price, would you do it for the Flyers?

If the answer is still no, then that’s accepted.

Not for me. Too much risk and too much money for not much reward. I'd much, much rather take a mediocre pick to sell my cap space on a dump.

Kane's horrendous defensively. I'm not sure what his trade market would be like at the deadline. I'm not even sure he'd sign here without trade control, so add those to the injury and you've got three major issues capping the potential return.

Even if I wanted to try it with Tarasenko, he needs a setup guy at this point in his career to build trade value. That's not exactly a roster strongsuit.

 

[deadhead]

You can sell that cap space at the TDL this year for more than you'd probably get for them (given you'd also have to retain 50%), with only a $1M rise in the cap, PO teams are sure to be cap constrained come the TDL and looking for third parties to facilitate trades.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Thank you everyone for your response to the hypothetical.

The idea of signing one of the top Free Agents to a 1 year, high dollar deal brings many pros & cons...I wanted to see what people would interpret such a 1 year deal as for this team moving forward.

 

[ponder719]

Thank you everyone for your response to the hypothetical.

The idea of signing one of the top Free Agents to a 1 year, high dollar deal brings many pros & cons...I wanted to see what people would interpret such a 1 year deal as for this team moving forward.

If we had 6 or 7 retention slots, sure. We've already used 1 on Hayes, and almost certainly 1 on DeAngelo. We will probably need to use the third on either Atkinson, if we're fortunate, or Walker, if our sights are set lower towards the end of the year. (Or Deslauriers, if there is a just and merciful God in this universe... so Atkinson or Walker.) Adding another player we'd have to retain on to get good value just doesn't make sense based on where we are and what we likely already have to do.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Thank you everyone for your response to the hypothetical.

The idea of signing one of the top Free Agents to a 1 year, high dollar deal brings many pros & cons...I wanted to see what people would interpret such a 1 year deal as for this team moving forward.

this teams track record of signing 1 year deals for end of career old vets is beyond horrible..

super hard pass forever for these..

 

[BrindamoursNose]

If we had 6 or 7 retention slots, sure. We've already used 1 on Hayes, and almost certainly 1 on DeAngelo. We will probably need to use the third on either Atkinson, if we're fortunate, or Walker, if our sights are set lower towards the end of the year. (Or Deslauriers, if there is a just and merciful God in this universe... so Atkinson or Walker.) Adding another player we'd have to retain on to get good value just doesn't make sense based on where we are and what we likely already have to do.

I wouldn't get too caught up on retention slots long-term because it would be a short term situation. Now, I understand we may want to take on someone else's trash for 50% but I don't think retention slot is an issue *IF* you think a Kane could bring back a 1st or 2nd.

Now that's all whether you believe they'd bring back a 1 or a 2 in this situation.

That's also why I enjoy this hypothetical because it really creates a lot of discussion on really what is best to do with the assets you have and how to get more the *right* way. Lots of people define that differently, and this discussion is good for that.

 

[tymed]

Thank you everyone for your response to the hypothetical.

The idea of signing one of the top Free Agents to a 1 year, high dollar deal brings many pros & cons...I wanted to see what people would interpret such a 1 year deal as for this team moving forward.

I might have missed it being mentioned, but the impact of adding a high impact player to our draft position alone takes it off the the table for me. We need the highest pick we can possibly get, 14oa and 26oa don't math up to a potential 5oa, excuse the approximations.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

That’s it?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

That’s it?

I wouldn't take that source seriously.

 

[Tripod]

So playing catchup...

We traded a guy but he really isn't traded yet.

We signed a goalie last year, but the contract tolled to this year due to Russia, but now they think that contract has been fulfilled.

We signed a goalie this year, but he isn't coming this year and is in Russia

Our top prospect is in Russia for 3 years but don't worry, they will let him go no issue.

We may or may not have re-signed a Dman

 

[trostol]

So playing catchup...

We traded a guy but he really isn't traded yet.

We signed a goalie last year, but the contract tolled to this year due to Russia, but now they think that contract has been fulfilled.

We signed a goalie this year, but he isn't coming this year and is in Russia

Our top prospect is in Russia for 3 years but don't worry, they will let him go no issue.

We may or may not have re-signed a Dman

 

[Cody Webster]

I wouldn't take that source seriously.

Just another wannabe insiderrrr

 

[Gregor Samsa]

No to signing Kane and older players to flip. For me, it more important being terrible to get a top pick than finish in the 5-10 range and get an extra 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

So playing catchup...

We traded a guy but he really isn't traded yet.

We signed a goalie last year, but the contract tolled to this year due to Russia, but now they think that contract has been fulfilled.

We signed a goalie this year, but he isn't coming this year and is in Russia

Our top prospect is in Russia for 3 years but don't worry, they will let him go no issue.

We may or may not have re-signed a Dman

rebuild complete...

hahaaa...

 

[phil162888]

No to signing Kane and older players to flip. For me, it more important being terrible to get a top pick than finish in the 5-10 range and get an extra 2nd or 3rd.

I agree 100% with you but with Torts and Hart its hard to believe will be bottom 5 even with that horrid defense....Having a ton of cap room seems a bit foolish but it does give us the ability to take back a bad contract for a high pick... which must be what Danny is hoping for.... I'd rather sign Dumba as were desperate for Top 4 Dmen than Kane or Tarasenko because were deep on wing and it will lesson the chances of a young player developing