Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion XII: The sky is falling!

[BruinDust]

I'm good with Swayman at 8 years at 7 AAV. With a rising cap that will age well. In a couple of years Shesterkin and Oettinger will have new contracts that will exceed what Swayman is getting by quite a bit a drive the market upwards.

 

[sarge88]

Are there rumors we are trading Ullmark to the Sens?

I cannot see Ullmark waiving to go to Ottawa.

 

[Carl Hungus]

Locking up sway would be great

Not sure how I feel about Wennberg. Don't know that much about his game. But people seem to be saying ideal 3C on a playoff team? Not my first choice of an add if that's the case.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Yeah, but toward the end of the deal you can always move him for an entirely underwhelming return….because he’s a goalie.

You do not know the power of LTIR and Robidas Island...

Locking up sway would be great

Not sure how I feel about Wennberg. Don't know that much about his game. But people seem to be saying ideal 3C on a playoff team? Not my first choice of an add if that's the case.

Its......weird to me.

A positive, but......really?

 

[The don godfather]

Wenberg please Donny!

Coyle
Zacha
Wenberg
Geekie

That's nice center depth come playoff time.

 

[ON3M4N]

Tuukka had played in more games and was the bonafide #1 started before he got paid. I don't mind the money but 8 years is 2 years too many imo.

Its a lot closer than you think honestly. Rask signed his deal in the summer of 2013. Up to that point:

138GP / 2.15 GAA / .927 SV% / 16 SO / 59.6 GSAA

The season isn't over yet and Swayman as of today:

122GP / 2.32 GAA / .920 SV% / 12 SO / 47.3 GSAA

If reports of $7 million are true, then it'd be an 8% cap hit (assuming $87.5 million). Rask's deal was a CH% of 10.89% when he signed. To put that into the cap into perspective for next season, Swayman would be making about $9.5 million to be equal to what Rask got. I'd say all in all at $7 million that's a solid deal for Swayman.

 

[Sheppy]

Wenberg please Donny!

Coyle
Zacha
Wenberg
Geekie

That's nice center depth come playoff time.

It's better, but there's still 3-4 3rd line centres in there.

 

[Hookslide]

I’ll reserve my comments until if its real and what is the exact structure.
As an upcoming rfa he cant immediately have a NMC. ( 2 more years).
As well as what is the cash out near the end of whatever term it is. Does it make movement hard or easy.

Also, hope like hell, this isnt a sign and trade.

did not cross my mind, but interesting sign and trade would piss me off, unless it is a haul that is over the top and I doubt that for a goalie unless there are many other pieces involved.......

 

[Carl Hungus]

You do not know the power of LTIR and Robidas Island...

Its......weird to me.

A positive, but......really?

If it's more of a forward looking move where the concept is Wennberg at 3C next year and try to bring in a higher end 1/2C if possible in the off season then I could see the idea potentially working?

 

[sarge88]

Wenberg please Donny!

Coyle
Zacha
Wenberg
Geekie

That's nice center depth come playoff time.

My only issue is that Wennberg is only at 46% at the dot.

I hope there’s a better plan to address faceoffs.

 

[DiggityDog]

Its a lot closer than you think honestly. Rask signed his deal in the summer of 2013. Up to that point:

138GP / 2.15 GAA / .927 SV% / 16 SO / 59.6 GSAA

The season isn't over yet and Swayman as of today:

122GP / 2.32 GAA / .920 SV% / 12 SO / 47.3 GSAA

This is a fair point. They aren’t too dissimilar as I had originally thought.

Tuukka did win a Vezina before being awarded this deal though. The compairisonn is fair, but it wouldn’t be obtuse to say that Rask was on another level than Swayman is currently.

 

[Bruin4]

I’ll reserve my comments until if its real and what is the exact structure.
As an upcoming rfa he cant immediately have a NMC. ( 2 more years).
As well as what is the cash out near the end of whatever term it is. Does it make movement hard or easy.

Also, hope like hell, this isnt a sign and trade.

A sign and trade.
Sign Sway
Trade Linus

 

[TSBruins13]

Wenberg please Donny!

Coyle
Zacha
Wenberg
Geekie

That's nice center depth come playoff time.

Great depth but you’re missing a 1C and a 2C still lol

 

[smithformeragent]

To me, it comes down to what you want to spend at the position total.

If you can pair Swayman at $7 with Bussi at a million bucks for a total of $8m at the position, then fine.

I’ll always remember that they played hard ball with Raycroft which led to them bringing Thomas back over from Europe and that, as a going away present to the organization, O’Connell went and extended Thomas for 3 years.

Then they bring in Manny Fernandez because there was doubt about Thomas’ ability to be “the guy”.

Thomas then loses the job to Rask in 2010 only o then take the job back in 2011 and the rest is history.

So you just never know at that particular position. It’s very fickle. The Brodeurs and Roys are rare.

How many goalies over the years have looked like world beaters for a 2 or 3 year stretch only to lose their game and their job?

 

[Hookslide]

It's better, but there's still 3-4 3rd line centres in there.

I am with you, this does nothing for me lets hear from the FO % geeks..........

 

[sarge88]

I am with you, this does nothing for me lets hear from the FO % geeks..........

46% this year….not great career wise either.

 

[Hookslide]

I'm good with Swayman at 8 years at 7 AAV. With a rising cap that will age well. In a couple of years Shesterkin and Oettinger will have new contracts that will exceed what Swayman is getting by quite a bit a drive the market upwards.

If he was 27/28 I would tend to agree with you on the term, but at 25 not so much.......Hey goalies are like the stock market, you just never know........

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Tuukka had played in more games and was the bonafide #1 started before he got paid. I don't mind the money but 8 years is 2 years too many imo.

Rask signed his big $7m/yr deal in 2013. Prior to that he had never started more than 39 games in a season. Swayman's current career high in starts: 39

Rask thru 12/13 season (age 26):
138 GP, 66w, .927 sv%, 2.15 gaa

Swayman thru now (age 25):
122 GP, 73w, .920 sv%, 2.32 gaa

Swayman probably comes close to catching Rask in games played by the end of this season and his numbers are only slightly worse. If he actually signs for $7m a year after 10+ years of cap inflation it's actually kind of a steal.

Obviously Rask has a major edge in playoff games played & performance, but I don't think that offsets the relative cap% argument when you consider their whole bodies of work. You pay your best players; the end.

edit: gah, didn't see that @ON3M4N beat me to this exact point

 

[Hookslide]

46% this year….not great career wise either.

Thank you face off geek...........haha

 

[ON3M4N]

This is a fair point. They aren’t too dissimilar as I had originally thought.

Tuukka did win a Vezina before being awarded this deal though. The compairisonn is fair, but it wouldn’t be obtuse to say that Rask was on another level than Swayman is currently.

He didn't though. Rask won the Vezina the first year into his new deal. He finished 5th in the Vezina voting the year before signing his new deal.

 

[Alicat]

Its a lot closer than you think honestly. Rask signed his deal in the summer of 2013. Up to that point:

138GP / 2.15 GAA / .927 SV% / 16 SO / 59.6 GSAA

The season isn't over yet and Swayman as of today:

122GP / 2.32 GAA / .920 SV% / 12 SO / 47.3 GSAA

If reports of $7 million are true, then it'd be an 8% cap hit (assuming $87.5 million). Rask's deal was a CH% of 10.89% when he signed. To put that into the cap into perspective for next season, Swayman would be making about $9.5 million to be equal to what Rask got. I'd say all in all at $7 million that's a solid deal for Swayman.

Thank you. This does help a lot but as Wally said, I want to see the structure once it is done. If there is flexability at the end then I can learn to live with it. The money is a friggin bargain. I saw what happened with DiPietro so I have always been very cautious when it comes to long contracts for goalies

 

[Lord Ahriman]

I don't think he's getting that big of a deal

Cap raising to almost 90M. I think it would be a very good deal long term (but better if ~5Y).

 

[DKH]

Swayman was a horse at U Maine he can handle 50-55 games

I like this all around

I’d roll with Ullmark rest of year and if you believe in Bussi you move him for a couple of picks in Summer (it’s a shitty draft but they could get a 2 & 3 likely easier)

 

[Gee Wally]

The other interesting thing is assuming you move Ullmark and then promote one of the PBruins goalies even at 1.5 next year, you havent spent one red cent more for the tandem going forward than you did this year.

 

[Sheppy]

I don't think the Bruins are necessarily shopping Ullmark, but if someone comes calling they'll definitely be listening. Hopefully someone is desperate.