Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VIII

[sarge88]

Have you watched the player? Have you talked to Canadiens fans about him? Because you keep pushing this narrative that he’s only been bad this year when it’s not the case.

Heinen can play 8 forward spots - 9 in a pinch - regardless of linemates. And he PKs. Anderson could play 2, and I’m not sure he really could be 3RW for this team.

I can’t believe we have people pushing Anderson (even leaving aside that a trade would never happen. It’s bonkers.

If the guy who scored 62 goals in the past 4 years is awful,what does that say about the guy who scored 42?

Again…not pushing for him to come here.

Just pushing for a little logic , honesty and consistency.

 

[22Brad Park]

DeBrusk was often the best player since Christmas - drove the lines to me

I can’t help it if Tony Mazz wants to trade him and their fanboys here come and echo it

Why I hate they talk hockey

I like Jake always have & what your saying is true ,but if his name is not on a contract by the trade deadline, then I fully support trading him

 

[NDiesel]

If the guy who scored 62 goals in the past 4 years is awful,what does that say about the guy who scored 42?

Again…not pushing for him to come here.

Just pushing for a little logic , honesty and consistency.

Are you implying that goals scored is all that matters?

Would you take Anderson over Frederic? He also scored more goals than Freddy so I think it's a fair question.....

 

[sarge88]

Are you implying that goals scored is all that matters?

Would you take Anderson over Frederic? He also scored more goals than Freddy so I think it's a fair question.....

Nope.

(But 20 more in a similar number of games does say something, IMO)

All I’m saying is this.

The OP took the position that Anderson is now a lousy player and has been for 4 years.

My only point was that a short 5 months ago, going back 2 seasons he was markedly better than Heinen, yet many, including the OP welcomed Heinen with open arms.

My contention is that Heinen’s resurgence has as much to do with being on a great team as Andersons lousy season does with him being on a lousy team.

IMO, if both played here all year, at the end of the season they‘d have similar traditional stats, with Heinen providing better defense and playmaking and Anderson scoring more goals and providing more physical play.

I fully understand that Anderson‘s contract isn’t good and I know he’s not coming here.

Just kind of tired of the blanket statements when there are so many variables and unknowns in a given situation.

 

[sarge88]

DeBrusk was often the best player since Christmas - drove the lines to me

I can’t help it if Tony Mazz wants to trade him and their fanboys here come and echo it

Why I hate they talk hockey

I remember posting at one point last season that I was at a point where I started to expect something good to happen every time JDB stepped on the ice.

Maybe it was just the euphoria of that special season….but TBH, over the last month and a half I’ve started to feel that way again.

I‘d gladly like him back at a fair price. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that number is above 6.0 though.

 

[sarge88]

Don't get mad it me I am on your side, as a matter a fact you might add that has played with better players then Anderson. Hey get the contracts . but my original post was too have Montreal retain 1 mil,at 4.5 that makes Anderson a nice add to this team, with 3 more years after this season to me that is a very do able contract. What is Heinen going to be asking for next year ?


Anderson scored 21 goals last year, Heinen had 8.

didn’t mean to come off as mad at you. I was supporting your argument.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Nope.

(But 20 more in a similar number of games does say something, IMO)

All I’m saying is this.

The OP took the position that Anderson is now a lousy player and has been for 4 years.

My only point was that a short 5 months ago, going back 2 seasons he was markedly better than Heinen, yet many, including the OP welcomed Heinen with open arms.

My contention is that Heinen’s resurgence has as much to do with being on a great team as Andersons lousy season does with him being on a lousy team.

IMO, if both played here all year, at the end of the season they‘d have similar traditional stats, with Heinen providing better defense and playmaking and Anderson scoring more goals and providing more physical play.

I fully understand that Anderson‘s contract isn’t good and I know he’s not coming here.

Just kind of tired of the blanket statements when there are so many variables and unknowns in a given situation.

Again as others have pointed out he was bad on a team that made it to the finals.

Heinen was welcomed on a PTO. And as I said, if we were talking about Anderson on a vet minimum, the discourse would be different.

Using only goals scored as a barometer is a bad idea. Why is it so hard to process that Anderson has been terrible? Every single Canadiens fan thinks so and they watch him every day.

 

[NeelyDan]

Heinen was welcomed on a PTO. And as I said, if we were talking about Anderson on a vet minimum, the discourse would be different.

....serious question - would it? (I don't want Anderson here for the record, driven mostly by the price tag)

 

[Fenian24]

Contracts the Bruins need to avoid at all costs.....

Josh Anderson

Tomas Hertl

Elias Lindholm's extension.

Serious question who do you want them to add as a number one center next year? Lindholm is the best center available and barring another Covid level virus the cap should continue to go up.

Personally I talk to Guerin in Minnesota and ask what it take for Eriksson Ek and Middleton. Number 1 center, top 4 physical D and they can send Maroon or Duhaime with them.

 

[DKH]

I remember posting at one point last season that I was at a point where I started to expect something good to happen every time JDB stepped on the ice.

Maybe it was just the euphoria of that special season….but TBH, over the last month and a half I’ve started to feel that way again.

I‘d gladly like him back at a fair price. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that number is above 6.0 though.

He’s superior to Tippett who’s basically a hockey DH (Florida could not wait to dump him) Tippett gets 6 M then DeBrusk should get between 6.5-7.5 M

The Flyers are a trash organization so you have to overpay

I’d like to keep JD at 6 years

 

[GordonHowe]

How much can the Calgary Flames get for Chris Tanev at the NHL Trade Deadline?

He plays a simple, no-nonsense game, but the demand will be high for the scrappy shutdown defenseman.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

....serious question - would it? (I don't want Anderson here for the record, driven mostly by the price tag)

Yeah of course it would. I’m sure I’d still be arguing against him until I saw him play (like Heinen) but you can’t be too fired up about a vet min guy unless he’s legitimately blocking kids.

 

[DKH]

Serious question who do you want them to add as a number one center next year? Lindholm is the best center available and barring another Covid level virus the cap should continue to go up.

Personally I talk to Guerin in Minnesota and ask what it take for Eriksson Ek and Middleton. Number 1 center, top 4 physical D and they can send Maroon or Duhaime with them.

Regula is legit - he doesn’t tske crap at all

He’s 6’3 and is skilled with an edge - give him some time he will be a good defenseman

Right side set

McAvoy
Carlo
Regula

Centers
Coyle
Zacha
Mwrkulov
Proteas
Geekie
Freddy can play there
Beecher

Bruins are all set at center

How much can the Calgary Flames get for Chris Tanev at the NHL Trade Deadline?

He plays a simple, no-nonsense game, but the demand will be high for the scrappy shutdown defenseman.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

pass

4 years ago yes

 

[22Brad Park]

How much can the Calgary Flames get for Chris Tanev at the NHL Trade Deadline?

He plays a simple, no-nonsense game, but the demand will be high for the scrappy shutdown defenseman.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Tanev is a warrior.Watched a ton of him and he is just a hard player to play against and has big time guts and heart.Any team that aquires him is getting exactly what you want on backend come playoffs.

 

[NDiesel]

Nope.

(But 20 more in a similar number of games does say something, IMO)

All I’m saying is this.

The OP took the position that Anderson is now a lousy player and has been for 4 years.

My only point was that a short 5 months ago, going back 2 seasons he was markedly better than Heinen, yet many, including the OP welcomed Heinen with open arms.

My contention is that Heinen’s resurgence has as much to do with being on a great team as Andersons lousy season does with him being on a lousy team.

IMO, if both played here all year, at the end of the season they‘d have similar traditional stats, with Heinen providing better defense and playmaking and Anderson scoring more goals and providing more physical play.

I fully understand that Anderson‘s contract isn’t good and I know he’s not coming here.

Just kind of tired of the blanket statements when there are so many variables and unknowns in a given situation.

I mean thats fair overall, personally what drives me away is his injury history...he's been much healthier these last few seasons, but has still missed games the past two and has a lot of miles on his body for a guy who plays a pretty fast and reckless game...he's likely going to drop off a cliff very soon.

Serious question who do you want them to add as a number one center next year? Lindholm is the best center available and barring another Covid level virus the cap should continue to go up.

Personally I talk to Guerin in Minnesota and ask what it take for Eriksson Ek and Middleton. Number 1 center, top 4 physical D and they can send Maroon or Duhaime with them.

I would love Eriksson Ek but he's kind of a unicorn, I'd be surprised if they let him go, and if they did it would take a massive overpayment IMO. Maybe you entice them starting with Poitras?

 

[DKH]

Montreal fans hate Anderson

They watch him and they do not like him

 

[sarge88]

Again as others have pointed out he was bad on a team that made it to the finals.

Heinen was welcomed on a PTO. And as I said, if we were talking about Anderson on a vet minimum, the discourse would be different.

Using only goals scored as a barometer is a bad idea. Why is it so hard to process that Anderson has been terrible? Every single Canadiens fan thinks so and they watch him every day.

Why is it so hard to process that using the word “terrible” to describe a player who has produced at a better rate than another player makes it really difficult to give credibility to your assessment?

No goals aren’t all that matters…..but they do matter.

And I’ve never said anything about him going to the finals.

All I’ve really said is that it’s hypocritical to have been on team Heinen when he signed his PTO here, while asserting that you know for sure that Anderson wouldn’t do well here.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Why is it so hard to process that using the word “terrible” to describe a player who has produced at a better rate than another player makes it really difficult to give credibility to your assessment?

No goals aren’t all that matters…..but they do matter.

And I’ve never said anything about him going to the finals.

All I’ve really said is that it’s hypocritical to have been on team Heinen when he signed his PTO here, while asserting that you know for sure that Anderson wouldn’t do well here.

It’s not hypocritical to say that whatsoever. They’re two different players.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

It’s not hypocritical to say that whatsoever. They’re two different players.

Two different players. Two different sets of expectations. Two different completely roles. Two completely different contracts.

Zero clue why we are trying to draw parallels here. Just seems weirdly mad that people like Heinen coming here on a PTO but want nothing to do with Anderson.

 

[Hookslide]

I’ll disagree - Anderson at 3 more years at $4.5 is a disaster of a contract.

Yes, and I bet you are one of the many that want to pay Lindholm 8.5- 9 mil for 8 years ........

didn’t mean to come off as mad at you. I was supporting your argument.

not sure if our wires were crossed.............haha all good

 

[BruinDust]

Serious question who do you want them to add as a number one center next year? Lindholm is the best center available and barring another Covid level virus the cap should continue to go up.

Personally I talk to Guerin in Minnesota and ask what it take for Eriksson Ek and Middleton. Number 1 center, top 4 physical D and they can send Maroon or Duhaime with them.

I'm perfectly content with the centers they have right now. You don't need your center to be play driver anymore or to be the controller of the offense past the blue-line. Wingers have and can do that job now. We've seen it here, we've seen it other places. If something materialized that made sense sure, but I'm not forcing it and overpaying a UFA out of some desperate need for a "No. 1 C" just because he's the best center available.

The center position now only matters from the offensive blue-line back, and every center needs to be capable in his own end and in the neutral zone now. If you can't do that, you can't play center in the today's NHL. Once they enter the offensive zone its basically F1/F2/F3 now with the way teams play in the offensive zone. I just don't think a top line, No.1 center is the critical piece that it was say 10 years ago. Even in the defensive zone wingers now collapse a lot more and take some of the strain off the C and D. The nature of the forward positions have changed and in a way blended together more. I've watch games this year with other teams where it was hard to tell without a line-up sheet who was playing C and who were the wingers on the line.

I'm not paying Elias Lindholm until he's 36 or 37 just because he popped 40 goals once when he was 27. His best years are already in the past and whichever GM signs him to a 7-8 year deal at 9+ per, even with a rising cap, will regret it shortly after. All I need to do is look at the now short list of players in the NHL past say Age 33 and it tells me very good chance Lindholm is bought out or LTIR'd be the time he's 34-35. He's just not a good enough player for me to want Boston to be his destination given the long-term risk of another albatross contract to deal with. I feel even more strongly about this when looking at a guy like Hertl is the same issue only older and slower.

I like the idea of Eriksson Ek but would Guerin be willing to move him? He's a gunslinger that Bill Guerin and maybe he'd like to make a move but does Boston have the pieces to entice him. Great, great contract in terms of AAV and the term/age of the player.

I don't dislike Middleton as a player but after watching so many D come here later in the season and just don't grasp the defensive system quick enough to be effective if they are going to make a move for him I'd rather it be sooner than later and give him time to adjust before the games really matter.

They can keep Maroon and Duhaime too. No interest in bringing in Minnesota's 4th line to replace Boston's own 4th liners. I'd like some forward depth added but I want that player(s) to be positioned as the "10th F" and locked in everyday player. Neither of those Minny guys make the cut for me.

I'm jaded on the whole concept of bringing in 2-3-4 guys at the deadline after last year. Sometimes I think maybe it's best to just leave it alone and roll with what you got. You never know how a player will fit into your system or dressing room. Maybe it's better sometimes to just go with the guys you know and already have acclimated to the system.

 

[Kegs]

DeBrusk was often the best player since Christmas - drove the lines to me

I can’t help it if Tony Mazz wants to trade him and their fanboys here come and echo it

Why I hate they talk hockey

Sweeney isn’t trading debrusk. Zero reason to do this. None of his top players will be moved. This is one of the best teams in the nhl. They will probably add a rental or two. Probably a centre that can win face offs. If any Montreal Canadian gets traded here it won’t be anderson. It will be Monahan.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Yes, and I bet you are one of the many that want to pay Lindholm 8.5- 9 mil for 8 years ........

Quite the opposite.

 

[Fenian24]

I'm perfectly content with the centers they have right now. You don't need your center to be play driver anymore or to be the controller of the offense past the blue-line. Wingers have and can do that job now. We've seen it here, we've seen it other places. If something materialized that made sense sure, but I'm not forcing it and overpaying a UFA out of some desperate need for a "No. 1 C" just because he's the best center available.

The center position now only matters from the offensive blue-line back, and every center needs to be capable in his own end and in the neutral zone now. If you can't do that, you can't play center in the today's NHL. Once they enter the offensive zone its basically F1/F2/F3 now with the way teams play in the offensive zone. I just don't think a top line, No.1 center is the critical piece that it was say 10 years ago. Even in the defensive zone wingers now collapse a lot more and take some of the strain off the C and D. The nature of the forward positions have changed and in a way blended together more. I've watch games this year with other teams where it was hard to tell without a line-up sheet who was playing C and who were the wingers on the line.

I'm not paying Elias Lindholm until he's 36 or 37 just because he popped 40 goals once when he was 27. His best years are already in the past and whichever GM signs him to a 7-8 year deal at 9+ per, even with a rising cap, will regret it shortly after. All I need to do is look at the now short list of players in the NHL past say Age 33 and it tells me very good chance Lindholm is bought out or LTIR'd be the time he's 34-35. He's just not a good enough player for me to want Boston to be his destination given the long-term risk of another albatross contract to deal with. I feel even more strongly about this when looking at a guy like Hertl is the same issue only older and slower.

I like the idea of Eriksson Ek but would Guerin be willing to move him? He's a gunslinger that Bill Guerin and maybe he'd like to make a move but does Boston have the pieces to entice him. Great, great contract in terms of AAV and the term/age of the player.

I don't dislike Middleton as a player but after watching so many D come here later in the season and just don't grasp the defensive system quick enough to be effective if they are going to make a move for him I'd rather it be sooner than later and give him time to adjust before the games really matter.

They can keep Maroon and Duhaime too. No interest in bringing in Minnesota's 4th line to replace Boston's own 4th liners. I'd like some forward depth added but I want that player(s) to be positioned as the "10th F" and locked in everyday player. Neither of those Minny guys make the cut for me.

I'm jaded on the whole concept of bringing in 2-3-4 guys at the deadline after last year. Sometimes I think maybe it's best to just leave it alone and roll with what you got. You never know how a player will fit into your system or dressing room. Maybe it's better sometimes to just go with the guys you know and already have acclimated to the system.

Excellent answer, thank you. Might not agree on all of it ( I always will want a tough forward or two in the bottom six) but your argument against spending on Lindholm was excellent. I'd buy a Middleton 100th anniversary jersey

 

[GordonHowe]

Tanev is a warrior.Watched a ton of him and he is just a hard player to play against and has big time guts and heart.Any team that aquires him is getting exactly what you want on backend come playoffs.

Calgary hit a rough patch recently. I wonder if there is any chance, any at all, the Bruins could bring him in.

My guess is no.

Even so, Sweeney should be able to find what I want: two bangers, one on D, one up front.

Clearly, there's a need, especially on defense.