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Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VII

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Dizzay said:
1. Lohrei should be a fixture on this team for the rest of the season, no question.
2. Debrusk should not be traded unless its for a clear upgrade which I can't see happening.
3. We need some toughness added to this team asap.....
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Agree with your post. I would take it a step further and say we need more from our forth line players . I am not not saying they have been awful simply saying we need more toughness and production from our fourth line. If this requires a trade to make it happen make a trade . The loss of Lucic has left a major void on the fourth line
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
Doesn't look like Beecher has much upside offensively. Has great speed. Can he learn to use it more effectively?

But winning faceoffs and being good enough to kill penalties seems to make him a decent 4th liner.
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I think there's a solid enough chance he can produce like Kuraly with those wheels and decent hands. One of the things holding his offense back is he takes forever to get his shot off. He's a rookie learning what it takes to make it in this league.
 
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Bumper said:
the "relative plus/minus" guy is here to agree with the fourth line analysis, but also insist that Steen isn't part of the aforementioned problem. Lauko and Beecher have not been sufficient. Beecher is a big part of the future, it seems, so if they carry him across the finish line this season, I get it. but Lauko? with the forwards relatively healthy, Merkulov can help to plug the hole(s).
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Only two games, but I do not see enough from Merkolov to support your comment.
 
evolving hockey updated their site to include player cards for this season, anyone got someone in particular they want to see. Either on the bruins or potential trade targets?
 
NeelyDan said:
Beecher is going to be a fantastic tier 2 Bruin for years to come, and I question the ability of a poster to assess players in general if they don’t see that.
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I could see Beecher as a Nosek type. Good in the dot, can play the PK, but lacks offensive production.

dugg133 said:
evolving hockey updated their site to include player cards for this season, anyone got someone in particular they want to see. Either on the bruins or potential trade targets?
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Curious to see what Elias Lindholm looks like
 
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ON3M4N said:
Curious to see what Elias Lindholm looks like
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Not good lol
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And here's Hanifin, just for arguments sake
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BradMarchandismydad said:
Wow, I’ve gone back and forth on Lindholm but this is very bad.

Maybe we just say screw it and shore up the defense. Hanifin is coming our way regardless, why not sooner than later.
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I expect Lindholm's numbers would take a massive leap if we trade for him, but he's just not a guy that generates 5v5 offense on his own, he needs his wingers to do that for him. Still a valuable player on a good team, but worth the 8+ mil he's gonna be getting? I'd lean towards no, which is why I'm kinda against trading for him. Let Poitras develop instead.

Also if Hanifin is as much of a sure thing this offseason as it's been made to seem, I'd rather just keep our assets and wait til then.
 
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BradMarchandismydad said:
Wow, I’ve gone back and forth on Lindholm but this is very bad.

Maybe we just say screw it and shore up the defense. Hanifin is coming our way regardless, why not sooner than later.
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I'd still target Lindholm. He's 55% in the dot this season which is better than every Bruins regular face-off guy on the roster. In a "down year" for Lindholm, he's on pace for 52pts. That's with having a dumpster fire Huberdeau on one wing with Sharangovich (who was a career 40pt guy coming into the season) on the other. For reference, Coyle who is Boston's top producing center, playing the best hockey of his life and he's on pace for 60pts this year. Coyle is also shooting 20% right now which is significantly higher than his 3 previous season where he averaged a 10.9% shooting. Lindholm on the flip side is shooting just 8.3% this season, but his 3yr average prior was 15.1% shooting.

If you put Lindholm between Zacha & Pastrnak he'd be a monster again.
 
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ON3M4N said:
I could see Beecher as a Nosek type. Good in the dot, can play the PK, but lacks offensive production.
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I can understand why you’d place that kind of ceiling on him, but I’ve seen him rip a couple (shots, didn’t necessarily translate to goals obvi) that shows me some offensive ability I think may surprise us down the road
 
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NeelyDan said:
I can understand why you’d place that kind of ceiling on him, but I’ve seen him rip a couple (shots, didn’t necessarily translate to goals obvi) that shows me some offensive ability I think may surprise us down the road
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Nosek in his last 3 full seasons had 18pt, 17pt & 18pts. Beecher in on pace for 15pts this season. Could there be a little more offense as he gets more NHL reps? sure, but I don't see a drastic jump happening. He's shooting 16% this season, which is the 3rd highest on the team. I don't think I'd consider him to have one of the top 3 shots on the team though.
 
dugg133 said:
I expect Lindholm's numbers would take a massive leap if we trade for him, but he's just not a guy that generates 5v5 offense on his own, he needs his wingers to do that for him. Still a valuable player on a good team, but worth the 8+ mil he's gonna be getting? I'd lean towards no, which is why I'm kinda against trading for him. Let Poitras develop instead.

Also if Hanifin is as much of a sure thing this offseason as it's been made to seem, I'd rather just keep our assets and wait til then.
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Personally, I would rather have Hanifin in the fold and resign him before free agency. Money talks and in FA I'm sure someone will over pay.
 
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ON3M4N said:
Nosek in his last 3 full seasons had 18pt, 17pt & 18pts. Beecher in on pace for 15pts this season. Could there be a little more offense as he gets more NHL reps? sure, but I don't see a drastic jump happening. He's shooting 16% this season, which is the 3rd highest on the team. I don't think I'd consider him to have one of the top 3 shots on the team though.
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Fair enough. Not all trajectories are the same tho, so I guess time will tell.
 
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Marchy-Coyle-Debrusk
JVR-Geekie-Frederic
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Lohrei-McAvoy
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Forbort

1. Do whatever you can to recoup some assets for Gryz
2. Find a tough to play against SOB for the 3rd pairing
3. Hope to get someone with top 6 abaility to play wing or center on the top line
4. Once it's official that Looch isn't returning, replace his toughness on line 4.
 
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Dizzay said:
XXXX-Zacha-Pasta
Marchy-Coyle-Debrusk
JVR-Geekie-Frederic
XXXX-Beecher-Heinen

Lohrei-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
XXXX-Shattenkirk
Forbort

1. Do whatever you can to recoup some assets for Gryz
2. Find a tough to play against SOB for the 3rd pairing
3. Hope to get someone with top 6 abaility to play wing or center on the top line
4. Once it's official that Looch isn't returning, replace his toughness on line 4.
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You're sending Poitras to juniors?
 
ON3M4N said:
Nosek in his last 3 full seasons had 18pt, 17pt & 18pts. Beecher in on pace for 15pts this season. Could there be a little more offense as he gets more NHL reps? sure, but I don't see a drastic jump happening. He's shooting 16% this season, which is the 3rd highest on the team. I don't think I'd consider him to have one of the top 3 shots on the team though.
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Noseks first three years in the league, look to be the same age as Beecher, he played 6 games 0 points, the following year 11 games he had 1 point, and year 3 with Vegas is when it clicked with 67 games played and 15 points.

Beecher may be comparable to Nosek now but I’d be extremely surprised if they share the same trajectory.
 
NeelyDan said:
Fair enough. Not all trajectories are the same tho, so I guess time will tell.
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You're right, not all trajectories are the same. Is there anything wrong with Beecher being a Nosek type player though? I don't think so. Beecher wasn't an offensive dynamo in the AHL and put up 28pts in 70gp. The NHL is a far harder league to produce in. If he gives you 75% of his AHL production then it puts him around a 24pt player over 82 games. I think that's a very realistic expectation for his development at the NHL level.
 
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You're right, not all trajectories are the same. Is there anything wrong with Beecher being a Nosek type player though? I don't think so. Beecher wasn't an offensive dynamo in the AHL and put up 28pts in 70gp. The NHL is a far harder league to produce in. If he gives you 75% of his AHL production then it puts him around a 24pt player over 82 games. I think that's a very realistic expectation for his development at the NHL level.
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No, there definitely isn’t. I’m just seeing him differently than that, over time.
 
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ON3M4N said:
Nosek in his last 3 full seasons had 18pt, 17pt & 18pts. Beecher in on pace for 15pts this season. Could there be a little more offense as he gets more NHL reps? sure, but I don't see a drastic jump happening. He's shooting 16% this season, which is the 3rd highest on the team. I don't think I'd consider him to have one of the top 3 shots on the team though.
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beechers speed alone should move his ceiling up
 
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ON3M4N said:
I'd still target Lindholm. He's 55% in the dot this season which is better than every Bruins regular face-off guy on the roster. In a "down year" for Lindholm, he's on pace for 52pts. That's with having a dumpster fire Huberdeau on one wing with Sharangovich (who was a career 40pt guy coming into the season) on the other. For reference, Coyle who is Boston's top producing center, playing the best hockey of his life and he's on pace for 60pts this year. Coyle is also shooting 20% right now which is significantly higher than his 3 previous season where he averaged a 10.9% shooting. Lindholm on the flip side is shooting just 8.3% this season, but his 3yr average prior was 15.1% shooting.

If you put Lindholm between Zacha & Pastrnak he'd be a monster again.
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8 mil for Face offs , pass.........
 
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