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Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VII

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To me there are two paths: (assuming Forbert and Carlo are healthy and back in the next couple of weeks)

If you think this team can go on a run in the playoffs and you want to go eight deep (with LoreI and Wortherspoon as the #7a and #7b) back-ups) you keep Grizz

if you think the team is two rounds at most ( and possibly one and done) you trade Grizz at the deadline for hopefully a 2nd in the up-coming draft

in either case you don't resign him ...his new contract hit just won't justify what he brings versus the ( significantly) lower cost of other options
 
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the negotiator said:
To me there are two paths: (assuming Forbert and Carlo are healthy and back in the next couple of weeks)

If you think this team can go on a run in the playoffs and you want to go eight deep (with LoreI and Wortherspoon as the #7a and #7b) back-ups) you keep Grizz

if you think the team is two rounds at most ( and possibly one and done) you trade Grizz at the deadline for hopefully a 2nd in the up-coming draft

in either case you don't resign him ...his new contract hit just won't justify what he brings versus the ( significantly) lower cost of other options
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With what everyone here says about Grizz I’d be thinking all he’d require is a vet minimum contract, no?
 
goldnblack said:
But having him for a playoff run is better than a very late pick. This is the only math that matters.
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Your ignoring the cap space. The only reason to trade Gryz for assets, is to also free up space to tinker with the roster. I'm not talking about making room for Hertl, but making room for a rugged 6/7 D and a depth forward who can push, Steen, Lauko and others. We need that cap space and Gryz is the most obvious opportunity. Forbort being option number 2. I don't see a forward that fits the bill, but I am sure someone will propose DeBrusk, which doesn't work for me personally.
 
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the negotiator said:
To me there are two paths: (assuming Forbert and Carlo are healthy and back in the next couple of weeks)

If you think this team can go on a run in the playoffs and you want to go eight deep (with LoreI and Wortherspoon as the #7a and #7b) back-ups) you keep Grizz

if you think the team is two rounds at most ( and possibly one and done) you trade Grizz at the deadline for hopefully a 2nd in the up-coming draft

in either case you don't resign him ...his new contract hit just won't justify what he brings versus the ( significantly) lower cost of other options
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I don't think anyone is arguing that Boston should re-sign him. The discrepancy that @MarchysNoseKnows has pointed out (and myself) a couple of times now....and has been conveniently ignored....is how you find a taker for an undersized, fringe D-man, who is playoff liability, on a $4mil cap hit and an expiring contract?

Exactly who, in their right mind, would agree to that? Minnesota isn't going to give up Middleton for a $4mil rental who's soft, and adding a couple of our fringe AHL players like Merkulov ain't gonna sweeten the deal. Would YOU make that trade for Griz? Hell no. So why are we expecting another NHL team to do that?

You know what more realistic return is for Grizz? A 5th-6th rounder at best.....He damn sure isn't going to bring you a 2nd round pick.....for all the reasons that people who want to dump him, have repeatedly pointed out. And any NHL GM who makes that deal with us, especially before the deadline, should be immediately fired.
 
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Just making sure this is the guy people want to trade one of our top two prospects (or even Brandon Carlo) for.

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HustleB said:
Your ignoring the cap space. The only reason to trade Gryz for assets, is to also free up space to tinker with the roster. I'm not talking about making room for Hertl, but making room for a rugged 6/7 D and a depth forward who can push, Steen, Lauko and others. We need that cap space and Gryz is the most obvious opportunity. Forbort being option number 2. I don't see a forward that fits the bill, but I am sure someone will propose DeBrusk, which doesn't work for me personally.
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I'm well aware of how the cap works, and why trading bad players for better players is a good thing, lol.

We were just talking about the concept of trading Gryz away to not lose him (which I think isn't much of a loss frankly).
 
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Sheppy said:
How many times do we go back to the dance with Grzelcyk on defense? And at what point does it teeter on the edge of insanity?
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It was insane the first time. I expect to see it again.

JoeIsAStud said:
And I think some team would have given them a 2 or a 3 last offseason. I am not sure that is the case with the way he has played this year. Not sure we can wait for the deadline, but at the deadline a lot of really crappy Defensemen get moved for 2s and 3s.

that said i think they are now in a position where they have to make a move with Forbert coming back, and that move should be to move Gryz on to a new home
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Gryz likely has negative value. Not a good signing at 4 mil.
 
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Forester65 said:
Poor Grz. He has been traded a million times on this board. He must live out of a suitcase.
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I feel bad for him. Media, social media, and fans can be very callous in their dismissal of, you know, a human being.

He's a good player. Unfortunately, his contract, his size, his lack of playoff utility, and his subpar performance this season point toward departure.

The contract is one thing, perhaps the most important thing, but if both Cassidy and Montgomery were unwilling to play Matt in the playoffs, when it counts the most, then ultimately, the Bruins are best served finding him a new home.

Where I hope he will flourish. He's from Charlestown and this is the only organization he's ever known.

It's a drag. I wish him well.
 
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HustleB said:
Your ignoring the cap space. The only reason to trade Gryz for assets, is to also free up space to tinker with the roster. I'm not talking about making room for Hertl, but making room for a rugged 6/7 D and a depth forward who can push, Steen, Lauko and others. We need that cap space and Gryz is the most obvious opportunity. Forbort being option number 2. I don't see a forward that fits the bill, but I am sure someone will propose DeBrusk, which doesn't work for me personally.
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Yes, and it isn't even really about having enough space to tinker. It is about having enough space to actually field a full lineup. Remember back earlier in the year when they were healthy, they could only have 21 people on the roster, and they couldn't even afford to have Lohrei up, because his 925 K contract was too expensive to be the 21rst guy

When Forbort is able to come off LTIR this team has it's back up against the cap wall again
 
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GordonHowe said:
I feel bad for him. Media, social media, and fans can be very callous in their dismissal of, you know, a human being.

He's a good player. Unfortunately, his contract, his size, his lack of playoff utility, and his subpar performance this season point toward departure.

The contract is one thing, perhaps the most important thing, but if both Cassidy and Montgomery were unwilling to play Matt in the playoffs, when it counts the most, then ultimately, the Bruins are best served finding him a new home.

Where I hope he will flourish. He's from Charlestown and this is the only organization he's ever known.

It's a drag. I wish him well.
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I don’t think Bruins fans and especially most on this board have ever given him a chance because of his size. Yet Forbort has been a worse playoff performer and is lauded over and over.

He hasn’t had a good year at all but he’s played really well his last 3 games. The team would be better with him than without him if he’s playing like he normally has the past several years.
 
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GordonHowe said:
The Bruins are not going to trade Carlo, who has been their best defensman this season. Certainly not for Middleton.


Believe it or not I would consider this.


That's what Swami sees, too.
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Carlo is their "best" defenseman ?

Not sure what you are smoking but I hope it doesn't harm your brain.

Middleton for Carlo any day of the week.
 
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NDiesel said:
Personally I am not a fan of Zegras - both the player and personality. I think he has a lot of maturing left. .
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Hookslide said:
It is all coachable, but is the player ? Stay far away from this kid, drama not needed. Besides he is out the next 6 weeks, look elsewhere for improvements you can make.
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He's 22 though....let's be real here, of course he has some maturing to do. If he had the wisdom of Bergeron at this age, the ducks would be considering him a future captain and he'd be far from available.

You hope with good coaching, mentors and time that some assimilation occurs

In my opinion, this is exactly the type of player you take the chance on.

There are so many players that have had some sort of "attitude" or personality issue from Barzal, J.T Miller, Scheifele, Eichel that all seem to turn out just fine.

Zegras and Pasta would be filthy
 
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SPLBRUIN said:
Carlo is twice the player Middleton is and is a legit shut down Dman. I like Middletown but he is a 3rd pairing guy who adds toughness, nothing more.
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Good grief, well at least you said twice the player and not several tiers above. lol

I will take the tough punch you in the face guy that will score the odd goal and protect the front of the net and hold opposing players accountable.

To say Carlo is the teams best Dman is laughable, actually embarrassing
 
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RoccoF14 said:
This is exactly the point that the "trade Griz" crowd has a tendency to overlook.....

To use their description: He's a soft, under-sized, bottom pair to 7th D-man who gets exposed in the playoffs and who makes $4mil on an expiring contract. And yet we think we are going to be able to trade him for a 3rd rounder?

You wanna try to move Griz to upgrade our D-corps? Fine by me. Just don't expect him to bring a whole lot back in return.
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I take a 7th and his cap space. Literally addition by subtraction.
 
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4ORRBRUIN said:
Carlo is their "best" defenseman ?

Not sure what you are smoking but I hope it doesn't harm your brain.

Middleton for Carlo any day of the week.
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He didn’t say Carlo is the Bruins best defenseman. He said he has been this season. And he’s right.

And hey… I think Middleton is awesome and I wish we had a presence like his on the team. Good lord f*** do we need it.

But Carlo for Middleton is awful. Not only for trade value (which we get the shit end of) but also just for team makeup. We’d go down to one RD who can play big minutes while adding yet another bottom pair LD. Does not work.

If Middleton was for sale, I’d love to find a way to make it work. Hell, I’d happily overpay. But it has to make sense too.
 
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