Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VII

[bme44]

Agree, I would not mind Middleton on the team, but no way he cost you Carlo who is vastly better, if you said for Gryz or Forbort, ok maybe.

The problem with this is do Gryz or Forbort have any value. I feel Gryz would have been moved long ago if he had any value .
Carlo is not a D-man the Bruins should consider moving .

Gryz on the other hand. I feel would be moved quickly if there was a market for him . How valuable is 3,687,500 of cap space ? This is the problem IMO with trying to move him, his cap space is more valuable than Gryz is as a player.

 

[Dizzay]

Middleton-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Forbort-Shatty
Lohrei-Wortherspoon

That's the 8 d-men I'd love to go into the playoffs with. Depth on both sides, nice mix of skill, and toughness.

 

[NDiesel]

He's 22 though....let's be real here, of course he has some maturing to do. If he had the wisdom of Bergeron at this age, the ducks would be considering him a future captain and he'd be far from available.

You hope with good coaching, mentors and time that some assimilation occurs

In my opinion, this is exactly the type of player you take the chance on.

There are so many players that have had some sort of "attitude" or personality issue from Barzal, J.T Miller, Scheifele, Eichel that all seem to turn out just fine.

Zegras and Pasta would be filthy

I'll concede you're probably right here and he's worth the risk, probably a bit of bias on my end but I'm just not convinced he cares about winning as much as he cares about being on the highlight reel.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Carlo is their "best" defenseman ?

Not sure what you are smoking but I hope it doesn't harm your brain.

Middleton for Carlo any day of the week.

Rick?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Just making sure this is the guy people want to trade one of our top two prospects (or even Brandon Carlo) for.

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That's playing mostly with a rookie, wasn't Lindholm not great with Drysdale? Also he's played fantastic with Spurgeon over the past two seasons. How exactly do these charts help with a guy who would be playing on a new team with new partners?

Regardless they are not trading him.

 

[Hookslide]

He's 22 though....let's be real here, of course he has some maturing to do. If he had the wisdom of Bergeron at this age, the ducks would be considering him a future captain and he'd be far from available.

You hope with good coaching, mentors and time that some assimilation occurs

In my opinion, this is exactly the type of player you take the chance on.

There are so many players that have had some sort of "attitude" or personality issue from Barzal, J.T Miller, Scheifele, Eichel that all seem to turn out just fine.

Zegras and Pasta would be filthy

He makes nearly 6 mil a year at 22 seems to me he should already be mature, or at least moving to towards , that punk does not show me any indication of that.

 

[Hookslide]

Carlo is their "best" defenseman ?

Not sure what you are smoking but I hope it doesn't harm your brain.

Middleton for Carlo any day of the week.

Gordon Howe did not say Carlo was their best defenseman, he said he was the best defenseman this year and in my opinion the most consistent. I also would like Middleton on the Bruins but he is not as good as Carlo............ So maybe you should change your smokes.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I think they might. BTW, I would not package Lysell and Merkulov together. One or the other and Gryz.

They won't,).

 

[Sheppy]

I don’t think Bruins fans and especially most on this board have ever given him a chance because of his size. Yet Forbort has been a worse playoff performer and is lauded over and over.

He hasn’t had a good year at all but he’s played really well his last 3 games. The team would be better with him than without him if he’s playing like he normally has the past several years.

It's because if you're going to be undersized, you should bring some offensive capabilities to the team.

He doesn't have an edge.
He doesn't like physical play at all, in fact, he shies away from it.
His decision making this year has been putrid.
He is overwhelmed in the post season.

I couldn't care less about his size if he was offensively talented. Krug was the same size but at least he produced on the score sheet.

I'm just kind of sick of the dude to be honest. I know people get horned up about his metrics and advanced stats, but frankly I don't give a shit. The guy this year has been an abomination, and when you take into account he's just not a good player in the post season, It's fair to give the guy shit. He's been fine these past 3 games, but the other 20+ he's essentially been, well, bad.

 

[Number8]

What part? I like Middleton a ton.

Middleton would be an interesting add -- not without some challenges, but interesting.

However, Middleton for Carlo straight up is a bad trade. No qualifiers on that either. Just a bad trade for Boston.

 

[Hookslide]

It's because if you're going to be undersized, you should bring some offensive capabilities to the team.

He doesn't have an edge.
He doesn't like physical play at all, in fact, he shies away from it.
His decision making this year has been putrid.
He is overwhelmed in the post season.

I couldn't care less about his size if he was offensively talented. Krug was the same size but at least he produced on the score sheet.

I'm just kind of sick of the dude to be honest. I know people get horned up about his metrics and advanced stats, but frankly I don't give a shit. The guy this year has been an abomination, and when you take into account he's just not a good player in the post season, It's fair to give the guy shit. He's been fine these past 3 games, but the other 20+ he's essentially been, well, bad.

I have to agree with some of what you say, most fans don't care about his size, but he cannot clear out in front of the net, does not win puck battles, gets bowled over consistently, and his contract is needed to improve other areas on this team. I think this is one time I honestly believe that most fans do not want criticize Gryz, because I think most fans actually like the person , but his game just does not cut it anymore.

 

[KrejciWinger]

Frank Vatrano is an NHL All Star. Huh.

 

[dugg133]

Good grief, well at least you said twice the player and not several tiers above. lol

I will take the tough punch you in the face guy that will score the odd goal and protect the front of the net and hold opposing players accountable.

To say Carlo is the teams best Dman is laughable, actually embarrassing

Carlo has objectively been our best defensive defenseman on the team this year. He takes the hardest possible deployment you can possibly give to a defenseman, with the lowest o zone start % on the team at 19% and the highest quality of competition among defenseman. And despite that he's currently like 2nd on the team in GF%. Personally I think that McAvoy and Lindholm's abilities to turn defense into offense make them more valuable overall players, but from a purely defensive POV it's been Carlo by a mile.

There are very few defenseman in the league that can take that kind of deployment and win those minutes, and Middleton isn't close to one of them. Like the player, worse then Carlo by a lot.

 

[bme44]

I have to agree with some of what you say, most fans don't care about his size, but he cannot clear out in front of the net, does not win puck battles, gets bowled over consistently, and his contract his needed to improve other areas on this team. I think this is one time I honestly believethat most fans do not want criticize Gryz, because I think most fans actually like the person , but his game just does not cut it anymore.

I would take it one step further . What Gryz brings as a player is not what the bruins are lacking . What he does NOT bring is what the Bruins are lacking

 

[Root]

Carlo has objectively been our best defensive defenseman on the team this year. He takes the hardest possible deployment you can possibly give to a defenseman, with the lowest o zone start % on the team at 19% and the highest quality of competition among defenseman. And despite that he's currently like 2nd on the team in GF%. Personally I think that McAvoy and Lindholm's abilities to turn defense into offense make them more valuable overall players, but from a purely defensive POV it's been Carlo by a mile.

There are very few defenseman in the league that can take that kind of deployment and win those minutes, and Middleton isn't close to one of them. Like the player, worse then Carlo by a lot.

And he’s on a great contract. Trading him makes zero sense

 

[Gordoff]

Frank Vatrano is an NHL All Star. Huh.

Why can't we get players like that!?!

 

[CellyHard]

This will surely go over great but would anyone consider taking on PLD for basically free at this point? He has a NMC that kicks in next year so there could actually be a chance the Kings want to move him before that

Or better yet, would you take him on a short term deal if he’s bought out? He’s 25 so I’m pretty sure the buyout is lower for under 26 year olds

Crazy as it sounds, either case could be possible

 

[Oates2Neely]

Ryan Whitney & Bisonnete reporting on their Spittin Chickets podcast that rumors buzzing that Bergeron potentially plotting a return to the Bruins this season. Apparently he’s been skating a ton locally. Some suggested it’s to stay fresh for alumni games. They aren’t buying it. Just saw it on the socials, don’t know how to link it here. They’re not exactly solid sources.

 

[TobanWest]

Why can't we get players like that!?!

Bruins Vatrano, Thornton, Seguin, Wheeler, Kessel, Eriksson, Hamilton... Pretty good team of castaways right there.

 

[TobanWest]

This will surely go over great but would anyone consider taking on PLD for basically free at this point? He has a NMC that kicks in next year so there could actually be a chance the Kings want to move him before that

Or better yet, would you take him on a short term deal if he’s bought out? He’s 25 so I’m pretty sure the buyout is lower for under 26 year olds

Crazy as it sounds, either case could be possible

Isn't LA in a playoff spot? He also is a Have at heart no?

 

[Shaun]

Ryan Whitney & Bisonnete reporting on their Spittin Chickets podcast that rumors buzzing that Bergeron potentially plotting a return to the Bruins this season. Apparently he’s been skating a ton locally. Some suggested it’s to stay fresh for alumni games. They aren’t buying it. Just saw it on the socials, don’t know how to link it here. They’re not exactly solid sources.

came here to post this, i would be shocked but what a return

 

[TobanWest]

came here to post this, i would be shocked but what a return

what episode is it mentioned?

 

[Sheppy]

what episode is it mentioned?

Yesterday.

I can't see Bergeron being a guy to return after retiring.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

This will surely go over great but would anyone consider taking on PLD for basically free at this point? He has a NMC that kicks in next year so there could actually be a chance the Kings want to move him before that

Or better yet, would you take him on a short term deal if he’s bought out? He’s 25 so I’m pretty sure the buyout is lower for under 26 year olds

Crazy as it sounds, either case could be possible

I can’t imagine they’d cut bait a half season into that deal. Terrible asset management and far too quick.

But what the hell is going on there? I just assumed he was part of the Kings’ success this year. Helping drive it. Dude is on the third line.

I don’t think they’re on the buyout route. But they have to be shocked and disappointed. That’s an awful start.

 

[Greek_physique]

If we do unload a Dman, I'd like to see Wortherspoon have a permanent role. He really impressed me on that road trip.

He doesn't have the toughness of McQuaid, but he's a very smart player.