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Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VI

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SwayHeyKid said:
I am not sure when fans started to not view winning the cup as the be all end all. I get it when you are a low seed or just building something but this team has continually said it’s about winning the cup, and they haven’t and even they view it as a failure.
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I mean, I don’t. It’s an extremely difficult trophy to win and im genuinely grateful I got to see one in my lifetime. I enjoy Bruins hockey, everything about it - the fans, the colours, the city, the history, the possibility - last season was unbelievable, and they didn’t win it - but my oh my did I enjoy that.

I also don’t think people who want more cup wins are necessarily suffering from a sense of entitlement for feeling that way.
 
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NeelyDan said:
I mean, I don’t. It’s an extremely difficult trophy to win and im genuinely grateful I got to see one in my lifetime. I enjoy Bruins hockey, everything about it - the fans, the colours, the city, the history, the possibility - last season was unbelievable, and they didn’t win it - but my oh my did I enjoy that.

I also don’t think people who want more cup wins are necessarily suffering from a sense of entitlement for feeling that way.
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If you just woke up from a coma, and weren’t allowed to look at standings or anything to do with what the Bruins have done so far this year, you’d think this was a board (and a fanbase in the macro) that followed the Buffalo Sabres. Coming from a city that has been about the most successful pro sports city in the country over the past 20 or so years, it’s very entitled, especially one that’s had a Stanley Cup recently (relative to most fanbases in the NHL).
 
NeelyDan said:
I mean, I don’t. It’s an extremely difficult trophy to win and im genuinely grateful I got to see one in my lifetime. I enjoy Bruins hockey, everything about it - the fans, the colours, the city, the history, the possibility - last season was unbelievable, and they didn’t win it - but my oh my did I enjoy that.

I also don’t think people who want more cup wins are necessarily suffering from a sense of entitlement for feeling that way.
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Said again: fan is short for fanatic.

Logic and reason rarely enter into the equation. And when they do, they are nonetheless accompanied by irrational emotion.

That is the definition of a fan. Especially hockey fans, and perhaps, especially Boston Bruins fans.

And I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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UncleRico said:
Answer me this questions:


If postseason success is unpredictable as you claim why has it been so predictable for the four other top regular season teams, but not the bruins?
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The 5th place top team on that list was the Blues. Again, 2019 was the year. They win that like they should have, we're talking about the anomaly of the Blues not having a Cup in their 10 year run of being a top team or maybe the goal posts would move to a different argument to downplay Sweeney's accomplishments. Look, I get it - the near misses and heartbreaks are frustrating. They had a core that should have been multiple cup winners instead of one. Anything can happen once the playoffs hit and that's just part of what makes it compelling. Especially if a goaltender gets hot. Nobody thought Florida or Montreal were going to make a run to the Finals in their respective recent years but they both have.
 
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Hookslide said:
Those Cherry, coached teams and the 80s/90s teams you reference were pre salary cap, Neely, and Middleton, always felt they were one player away, but Jacobs and his lackey, boot licking GM Harry never went out to get that player. But after the playoffs were over Harry would, like a ritual blame the goaltender.
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And then fire the coach. Go back and look at how many coaches were hired to be fired by Sinden in the 90s. Long after Harry had lost his fastball.

Move along, nothing to see here.
 
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GordonHowe said:
How did I know this would come up? I am not an expert on Colorado's Cup winning roster in 2022.

Someone who knows better might answer your question.

Let's say they were all speed, all skill, zero physicality, yet still won the Cup. If that's true, and I doubt it, they would nonetheless be outliers in doing so. Any other club that has won it all -- including the late 90s Red Wings, which Sweeney has referred to as his model -- has had speed, skill and toughness.

I am not talking about players who fight. I am talking about teams that finish their checks, wear their opponent down by doing so in relentless fashion, and make them think twice when going into the corners.

There is a difference.
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Bruins had nearly the same amount of hits as Vegas did last year ( the difference was 5 ). Bruins were the best 3rd period team in the league last year, which speaks to their relentless nature to how they closed out games and wore out other teams.
 
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PB37 said:
Bruins had nearly the same amount of hits as Vegas did last year ( the difference was 5 ). Bruins were the best 3rd period team in the league last year, which speaks to their relentless nature to how they closed out games and wore out other teams.
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And then the playoffs came…Florida did as they pleased until they ran into Vegas..
 
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Bruins had nearly the same amount of hits as Vegas did last year ( the difference was 5 ). Bruins were the best 3rd period team in the league last year, which speaks to their relentless nature to how they closed out games and wore out other teams.
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What happened in round 1?
 
NeelyDan said:
I mean, I don’t. It’s an extremely difficult trophy to win and im genuinely grateful I got to see one in my lifetime. I enjoy Bruins hockey, everything about it - the fans, the colours, the city, the history, the possibility - last season was unbelievable, and they didn’t win it - but my oh my did I enjoy that.

I also don’t think people who want more cup wins are necessarily suffering from a sense of entitlement for feeling that way.
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We all want more Cups.

The problem is posters who use not winning it to piss and moan about ownership, managment and coaching. All the time.
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
We all want more Cups.

The problem is posters who use not winning it to piss and moan about ownership, managment and coaching. All the time.
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That’s not really a fair representation of the conversation, It’s a message board. We also have people who just critique posters who have opinions other than everything is awesome.

Dennis Bonvie said:
Do you really think that is why the Bruins lost in the first round?
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I think it absolutely contributed to it. The only reason? No.
 
Therick67 said:
After blowing a 3-1 lead..
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Correct. I'm not sure what the point of this is. The Bruins brass put together a team that dominated the league, pulled off huge trade deadline deals for playoff type players, and yet some are still wondering why they didn't get " tougher " to win. I've seen tough Bruins teams lose plenty in the playoffs and suffer humiliating defeats. We've had arguably the most intimidating/toughest defenseman in the modern era playing for us but still lost. There's no magic formula. They mixed all the right ingredients together last year - the rest was up to the players and the hockey gods and unfortunately, neither were enough.
 
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PB37 said:
Correct. I'm not sure what the point of this is. The Bruins brass put together a team that dominated the league, pulled off huge trade deadline deals for playoff type players, and yet some are still wondering why they didn't get " tougher " to win. I've seen tough Bruins teams lose plenty in the playoffs and suffer humiliating defeats. We've had arguably the most intimidating/toughest defenseman in the modern era playing for us but still lost. There's no magic formula. They mixed all the right ingredients together last year - the rest was up to the players and the hockey gods and unfortunately, neither were enough.
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I loved the moves to bring in the grit, but it seems either these guys were afraid to play the way they always have, or the coach neutered them.
Marchand was skating away from scrums, so me think the coach was the issue.
 
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Therick67 said:
Gudas, Tkachuk, Bennet, Lomberg, Cousins and every other panther did as they pleased
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By design.

The Bruins scored 11 PP goals that series while the Panthers scored only 5. Despite that, I believe the Bruins were very worried about Florida gutting them on the powerplay at the time.

Combine those two things and you have a strategy to both capitalize on PP opportunities while turning the other cheek and staying off the PK. That strategy worked, though a lot of us were put off by Gudas, Tkachuk and Bennett not getting force-flossed with carbon fiber.

They lost due to not finding a strategy to keep key players from injuring themselves the final month of the season.
 
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BlackFrancis said:
By design.

The Bruins scored 11 PP goals that series while the Panthers scored only 5. Despite that, I believe the Bruins were very worried about Florida gutting them on the powerplay at the time.

Combine those two things and you have a strategy to both capitalize on PP opportunities while turning the other cheek and staying off the PK. That strategy worked, though a lot of us were put off by Gudas, Tkachuk and Bennett not getting force-flossed with carbon fiber.

They lost due to not finding a strategy to keep key players from injuring themselves the final month of the season.
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I puked in my mouth reading this. Boston is not a “turn the other cheek” city. Imagine rooting for our team to be a carbon copy of the 2011 Canucks… gross.
 
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BlackFrancis said:
By design.

The Bruins scored 11 PP goals that series while the Panthers scored only 5. Despite that, I believe the Bruins were very worried about Florida gutting them on the powerplay at the time.

Combine those two things and you have a strategy to both capitalize on PP opportunities while turning the other cheek and staying off the PK. That strategy worked, though a lot of us were put off by Gudas, Tkachuk and Bennett not getting force-flossed with carbon fiber.

They lost due to not finding a strategy to keep key players from injuring themselves the final month of the season.
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The coach had a lot to do with it as well
 
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