Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VI

[Ratty]

Fabian Lysell should have some trade value to add as an extra in any potential deals. He hasn't really shone in his time as a pro but he's still young and talented.He's been eclipsed by Faranacci and others among elite prospects.

 

[Hookslide]

"I think the Bruins should still try Geekie, Frederic, and Heinen with Zacha and Pastrnak to" prove that it is:

HEI/ZAC/PAS
MAR/POI/GEE
van/COY/DeB
BEE/FRE/STE

a part of this is Frederic at center. of course Geekie can cover center while injuries get healed, but Beecher is almost treading ice in the middle of a strong stream -- he might need to ride the sides for the balance. Heinen and Frederic can play center. this team here and now should activate Frederic to lead a proper fourth line. ignore the bad press on Poitras -- he's fine, overall. is Zacha out?

HEI/GEE/PAS
MAR/POI/DeB
van/COY/STE
LAU/FRE/BEE

to get started on the change that needs to be made. and I think the target is planning to end the project with another team's Lindholm like

ZAC/___/PAS
MAR/POI/GEE
van/COY/DeB
HEI/FRE/STE

which I believe means offering from a pool of like Grzelcyk, Shattenkirk, Lohrei, Lauko, Zboril, Wotherspoon. the problem being that the cap math isn't there, leading to the whole DeBrusk discussion. if you go there, I'd want

ZAC/___/PAS
MAR/POI/GEE
van/COY/HEI
BEE/FRE/STE
LIN/CAR
LOH/McA
FOR/MIT
SWA
ULL

which all means that I think the team's real trade bait for getting that top star center is Grzelcyk, DeBrusk, Shattenkirk.

Poitras, is not ready for a top six role at this time, maybe not even 3rd line, sorry he is just not ready, but he has shown enough that he will be a player in this league at some point. Loheri should be put in the same category as Poitras , just not now.

 

[UncleRico]

Fabian Lysell should have some trade value to add as an extra in any potential deals. He hasn't really shone in his time as a pro but he's still young and talented.He's been eclipsed by Faranacci and others among elite prospects.

Fabian lysell is two years younger and has a higher ppg than farinacci in the same exact league on the same team.

How has he been eclipsed by farinacci?

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Poitras, is not ready for a top six role at this time, maybe not even 3rd line, sorry he is just not ready, but he has shown enough that he will be a player in this league at some point. Loheri should be put in the same category as Poitras , just not now.

I think Poitras just needs to not hold onto the puck as long ,shoot more make the pass quicker he keeps dangling all the time and giving it away or gets nailed with a hit.

 

[goldnblack]

I just don't want a Timo Meier situation. I have no idea if he's gonna live up to 8.8m, but probably not. Jake getting a 7m+ deal can do that elsewhere imho.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Well the totals don’t really matter now - can’t change the past. Asking for him to get to 30 goals for the season would be over a 40 goal pace from here on which seems out of reach obviously. Luckily we have a GM that won’t overreact to a small sample size of games - either way. It’s not like if he gets two goals next game and then 1 on the weekend his contract magically lifts by $750k a year. Doesn’t work like that. There’s a larger body of work to evaluate thankfully.

I think the totals matter.

And his larger body of work still leaves you with question marks. So much that we’re projecting a return to normal just to struggle to 20 goals.

An extension should pay for what you expect his production to be going forward. And frankly, I’m not sure how his larger body of work allows for a prediction that one would expect to be reasonably accurate.

 

[HustleB]

I don't get the feeling that Jake is super independent ... he can't even pack his suitcase ...

I was with you on the past post, I would expect Louie to be involved just like the Manning family is involved and I don't think that's to say he's anti-Bruins or any kind of problem. On this post I think you've veered off track a bit.

I just don't want a Timo Meier situation. I have no idea if he's gonna live up to 8.8m, but probably not. Jake getting a 7m+ deal can do that elsewhere imho.

I think if he gets 7 mil it is likely in a place other players don't want to be. Specifically, I expect him to go to Western Canada. Calgary seems to be a team willing to overpay in order to build a core unit. I think if he is not in Boston, there is a good chance he ends up a lot closer to home.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

I was with you on the past post, I would expect Louie to be involved just like the Manning family is involved and I don't think that's to say he's anti-Bruins or any kind of problem. On this post I think you've veered off track a bit.


I think if he gets 7 mil it is likely in a place other players don't want to be. Specifically, I expect him to go to Western Canada. Calgary seems to be a team willing to overpay in order to build a core unit. I think if he is not in Boston, there is a good chance he ends up a lot closer to home.

It was a jovial poke at his seemingly laissez-faire well documented attitude on packing for road trips ....and yes, I think Calgary is the ideal landing spot ..and they have players we want...good old hockey trade

 

[KrejciWinger]

Any chance we're in on Ethan Bear? Feels like the blueline could use someone to get the puck out, especially the third pair.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Any chance we're in on Ethan Bear? Feels like the blueline could use someone to get the puck out, especially the third pair.

Word is he’s going to Washington

 

[bruins19]

I was with you on the past post, I would expect Louie to be involved just like the Manning family is involved and I don't think that's to say he's anti-Bruins or any kind of problem. On this post I think you've veered off track a bit.


I think if he gets 7 mil it is likely in a place other players don't want to be. Specifically, I expect him to go to Western Canada. Calgary seems to be a team willing to overpay in order to build a core unit. I think if he is not in Boston, there is a good chance he ends up a lot closer to home.

I don’t see a path for paying Jake 7m at his current rate of production. Would like to keep him, but agree that if he is getting 7, it is from someone else.

 

[CellyHard]

If Debruks is asking for 7 or even 6 for that matter, give me Heinen at a third of the cost.

Use that money elsewhere. Even though Heinen has been a career 35pt guy, I think the version we are seeing now with Monty he can be a 20-20 guy.

Better value and a better chemistry with the group we have

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Vrana - Zacha - Pasta



I wonder if we could get an additional 1M retained from the Blues, would be a fun experiment. Bruins are the only team in the league that could rehabilitate and restore him IMO.

Monty overcoming alcoholism + the Czech factor

 

[Ratty]

Fabian lysell is two years younger and has a higher ppg than farinacci in the same exact league on the same team.

How has he been eclipsed by farinacci?

elite prospects has him as #6 behind Farinacci, Merkolov, Pelosi and others.

The point is that he may be attractive to other teams who may be able to provide a more immediate need. Not as the headliner, but as an added prospect.

 

[Ratty]

Vrana - Zacha - Pasta



I wonder if we could get an additional 1M retained from the Blues, would be a fun experiment. Bruins are the only team in the league that could rehabilitate and restore him IMO.

Monty overcoming alcoholism + the Czech factor

Don't see the correlation between Monty's problems and the Vrana "rehabilitation". Both are individual challenges that are separate from Bruins, though, I am sure, they are lending support.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Don't see the correlation between Monty's problems and the Vrana "rehabilitation". Both are individual challenges that are separate from Bruins, though, I am sure, they are lending support.

Really? You don’t see how a mentorship relationship with someone who has battled the same demons could be impactful?

Being paired with someone who is sober and has overcome alcoholism is a major part of AA, as I understand it.

In terms of hockey, Vrana is a fantastic goal scorer whose talent really hasn’t been fully unleashed in this league. I wonder how he’d look if he got mentally and physically healthy with a good support system and countrymen alongside him.

 

[Ratty]

Really? You don’t see how a mentorship relationship with someone who has battled the same demons could be impactful?

Being paired with someone who is sober and has overcome alcoholism is a major part of AA, as I understand it.

In terms of hockey, Vrana is a fantastic goal scorer whose talent really hasn’t been fully unleashed in this league. I wonder how he’d look if he got mentally and physically healthy with a good support system and countrymen alongside him.

Good response. Seeing it in a different light.

It was initially reported that the Blues were waiving Vrana. Now they are looking for a trade.

 

[Son of Donegal]

elite prospects has him as #6 behind Farinacci, Merkolov, Pelosi and others.

The point is that he may be attractive to other teams who may be able to provide a more immediate need. Not as the headliner, but as an added prospect.

Those aren't prospect rankings. That is prospect scoring, regardless of league.

 

[Sheppy]

I’d make a trade of Olivier in Columbus as a 13th forward. Toss him in against certain teams.

 

[Kegs]

Nick Bjugstad would be a nice piece. I wonder if he would be available.

 

[Kegs]

Fabian lysell is two years younger and has a higher ppg than farinacci in the same exact league on the same team.

How has he been eclipsed by farinacci?

I think it’s farinaccis two way okay they like. The providence guys are very high on farinacci is seems. Not that I don’t necessarily agree with you. I just see their point. I think lysell will carve out a decent nhl career.

 

[Dr Hook]

Nick Bjugstad would be a nice piece.

His wife probably agrees with you.

 

[CellyHard]

Good response. Seeing it in a different light.

It was initially reported that the Blues were waiving Vrana. Now they are looking for a trade.

Say he’s retained another 50% he would come in around 1.3 mil

I have concerns about his compete, attitude and play away from the puck but I’m not sure there is a better fit in the NHL then Boston at this point.

His skill is undeniable tho

 

[Dizzay]

Its early......but it is just about Christmas so Sweeney if you're reading this, here is my wish list:
1. A package of Hanifin and Lindholm coming in from Calgary, both most likely need to be retained so Calgary, don't be cheap and eat 50% on both. Gryz + picks and prospects going the other way
2. A nasty ass MF'er to play 3rd pairing d minutes who clears the front of the net, can make a break out pass, and can hit/chuck knuckles if required.
3. Jake Debrusk to arise from his slumber and pot 20 goals from Christmas until April.

 

[dugg133]

Its early......but it is just about Christmas so Sweeney if you're reading this, here is my wish list:
1. A package of Hanifin and Lindholm coming in from Calgary, both most likely need to be retained so Calgary, don't be cheap and eat 50% on both. Gryz + picks and prospects going the other way
2. A nasty ass MF'er to play 3rd pairing d minutes who clears the front of the net, can make a break out pass, and can hit/chuck knuckles if required.
3. Jake Debrusk to arise from his slumber and pot 20 goals from Christmas until April.

We don't have a pick in the first 3 rounds until 2025 and generally have one of the lowest ranked prospect pools in hockey, and yet somehow we're gonna trade for a top 4 defenseman, a top 6 center, and the exact type of bottom pair defenseman that typically gets overvalued at the deadline.

Glad to see we have reasonable expectations for Sweeney for the rest of the season lol.