Mr. Make-Believe
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Just on a quick lookup, it appears you’re right, Gonzo.
I never knew that. I’m sure there’s a “spirit of the rule” reason for this, but I’m far too dumb this morning to weasel it out.
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I never knew that. I’m sure there’s a “spirit of the rule” reason for this, but I’m far too dumb this morning to weasel it out.
MarchysNoseKnows
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That was a different beast - it wasn’t a fourth round pick or something traded so that you could get early negotiating rights. FLA was trading away two top players so they needed the contract done before agreeing. Otherwise Tkachuk could have turned around and went to market.
Edit: sorry that wasn’t in response to the 8th year issue. On that you’re correct
Gonzothe7thDman
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Tkachuk was an RFA and if he was traded while unsigned I believe FLA could have only re-signed him to a 7 year deal. Getting him signed by Calgary prior to the trade gave them that 8th year is my understanding.
Mr. Make-Believe
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And see it’s funny to me, because (as evidenced here) it’s such an easy rule to circumvent .
MarchysNoseKnows
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Right. Sorry - same deal but Tkachuk could have said he’s only going to sign the QO and not sign long term. But this trade was also about the 8th year.
You can trade for negotiating rights and sign a player before July 1 for up to a max of 7 years is the best way to put it.
Gonzothe7thDman
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Yea I think it works for RFAs that you can't come to an agreement with. But with UFAs you don't hold their rights after the re-sign period in the offseason. So Hanifin for instance is a UFA this offseason. So Calgary has to move him prior to deadline or let him go to UFA and get nothing. Sometimes teams will pay like a 6th in the offseason to get early negotiating rights but I feel like we don't see that as often.
If Hanifin wants an 8 year deal from someone other than Calgary he needs to find a new home before the deadline.
But now that I think of it I guess technically as a UFA he can re-sign with Calgary for 8 years, and then they can trade him away for something days later in the offseason.
Not sure if that idea of a sign and trade has been used yet for a UFA. Maybe thats considered circumventing the spirit of the CBA
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Severson got moved for a 3rd round pick on Jun 9 last summer so the Blue Jackets could have his negotiating rights even though he was a pending UFA, so it can happen.
DKH
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Severson signed 8 years $50 M as UFA but played entire year with NJ - his rights got traded so is that why he could do 8?
Hanifin is so close that on New Years he’s basically 100 days from FA
Why would he sign with anyone other then Carolina or Boston if not Calgary - where he’s lived
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Maybe? Normally though they would say if its for contract termination. The odd thing is that if you look at CF, he was sent down to Providence back in the end of October. If he's already cleared waivers why would he need to clear them again? He hasn't been on the NHL roster for 10 games or 30 days.
That’s why i am confused. He’s played 19 games for providence. He’s not in their lineup tonight though.
Shame he never made it. He was starting to look good but then had a dreadful stretch of injuries. Got passed by several guys on the depth chart.
Hope he gets a chance on another team or is able to continue playing in another league.
BruinsFanMike82
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Going to St Louis for Vrana and they retain a mil.........who says no, everyone else gets too throw shit against the wall and see if it sticks, haha............Hey maybe I can get a job with the Boston media, I would fit right in.
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I’m going to go way out on a limb and predict that he isn’t going to be claimed. 
Bruin4
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Actually this is better than anything Murphy has put out, even with all his sources.
Oates2Neely
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Zboril can go play with his pal Zach Senyshyn who’s currently playing for the Schwenningen Wild Wings in Germany where he’s the Wings 8th leading scorer with 12 points in 25 games.
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I mean its not the worst idea. Vrana was teammates with both Pastrnak & Zacha for U18's and U20's. IDK if STL has a need for another d-man. If the money is about even then I think we could make the cap work with everyone healthy
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Almost definitely, but I 'worry' about the Flyers.I’m going to go way out on a limb and predict that he isn’t going to be claimed.
neelynugs
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elias lindholm in boston next to marchand and debrusk would probably work quite well.
he plays a similar style to bergy, righthanded like him, cerebral, etc.
Feel like DeBrusk would need to be part of the package going the other way. I think he's done here, he's too inconsistent to warrant a big extension. Maybe Calgary takes a chance and hopes he can find his scoring touch there.
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Goalies Jeremy Swayman (left) and Linus Ullmark have again been pivotal to Bruins' second straight strong start.BARRY CHIN/GLOBE STAFF
The Bruins are already well past the first-quarter mark of the season, with Boston pacing the Atlantic Division with an 18-5-3 record.
Here are 15 stats and trends that help explain the Bruins’ strong start and map out a few flaws that must be corrected in the months ahead:
▪ The main reason why Boston still sits atop the Atlantic lies in the play of goalies Jeremy Swayman and Linus Ullmark. Among the 52 goalies with at least 500 minutes of ice time this season, Swayman (.858) and Ullmark (.850) rank fifth and sixth, respectively, in save percentage on high-danger shots. Per MoneyPuck, Swayman and Ullmark have posted a combined 14.3 goals saved above average.
▪ The Bruins rank third in the NHL at 2.50 goals allowed per game, but the structure in front of Swayman and Ullmark has left a bit to be desired. Per Natural Stat Trick, Boston has been pedestrian in negating quality chances — ranking 15th in the league in five-on-five high-danger chances against per 60 minutes of play (11.11).
▪ David Pastrnak has diversified his arsenal. Of his 16 goals this season, 14 have been credited as wrist shots. Pastrnak’s emphasis on playmaking has also yielded impressive returns, with him on pace for a career-high 73 assists and 123 points.
▪ As noted by colleague Kevin Paul Dupont this week, the Bruins haven’t doled out a lot of hits this season. Trent Frederic leads the Bruins with just 48 — with 54 NHLers ahead of him in that category. Boston’s top hitter on the blue line? Brandon Carlo with 29 over 26 games.
▪ A glimpse at the Bruins’ zone time at even strength shows a team settling for far too many one-and-done surges. As noted by NHL EDGE player and puck-tracking data, the Bruins have spent just 40.7 percent of their even-strength time in the offensive zone, ranking below the 50th percentile of NHL teams.
The Bruins have not adhered to an effective forechecking game that can wear opponents down and extend their own time in the attacking zone. Teams such as the Panthers and Hurricanes have forged long playoff runs in recent years by pinning teams in their end and forcing miscues under duress. It might be time for the Bruins to take a page out of that book.
▪ Jim Montgomery has emphasized quality over quantity with shot selection since taking over as Bruins coach. Boston ranks 11th in five-on-five goals (56) this season, but it’s not for lack of trying. The Bruins are in the 82nd percentile with 243 shots on goal from high-danger areas. A shot-first mentality from the blue-line corps is needed to help capitalize on instances when Bruins skaters are crowding the opposing crease.
Jim Montgomery has emphasized high-quality shots in his time as head coach of the Bruins.JOHN TLUMACKI/GLOBE STAFF
▪ A six-on-five tally from the Panthers’ Brandon Montour set the stage for the Bruins stunning first-round collapse last April. Those last-minute woes have carried over. In 34:41 of ice time against an empty net this season, the Bruins have relinquished seven goals, most in the league.
▪ Boston’s power play has been solid (22.9 percent, ranking 11th). But the penalty kill has snuffed out scoring chances at an elite level, ranking first with an 89.9 percent kill rate. The Bruins have spent only 55.3 percent of their time on the PK in the defensive zone, which ranks in the 93rd percentile.
Carlo and Derek Forbort have been defensive anchors on the penalty kill, but they’ve been just as good at five-on-five. Boston has outscored teams, 34-15, in that duo’s combined 695 minutes of five-on-five ice time.
▪ For all the talk surrounding Boston’s pivot pipeline following the retirements of Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci, Charlie Coyle and Pavel Zacha have largely held their own. Coyle is on pace for a career-high 66 points, and Zacha a career-high 60.
▪ Mason Lohrei has showcased plenty of potential, but it’s evident that he still has some work to do in the defensive zone. During his 12 games, the Bruins have given up 22 five-on-five goals. Lohrei has been on the ice for 13 of those.
▪ It’s to be expected for a youngster such as Lohrei to have growing pains in the D-zone. What has been a surprise is the lackluster returns from the top pairing of Charlie McAvoy and Matt Grzelcyk. In their 144:42 of five-on-five ice time together, the Bruins have been outscored, 5-3. From 2020-23, the Bruins outscored teams, 86-32, in that tandem’s 1,362:17 of five-on-five reps.
▪ With Bergeron, Krejci, and Tomas Nosek in place last season, Boston ranked second in the NHL in faceoff win percentage (54.5). This season has been a bit more of a struggle, as the Bruins rank 13th (51.0). Johnny Beecher (55.0 percent) and Coyle (53.7) have been bright spots, while Matt Poitras (43.7) remains a work in progress.
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Johnny Beecher has won 55 percent of his faceoffs this season.MADDIE MEYER/GETTY
▪ Be it injuries or the sizable overhaul of forward corps, Montgomery has largely put his lines in a blender. Per Natural Stat Trick, the Bruins have rolled out 14 different lines that have logged at least 20 minutes of five-on-five time together. The strongest returns have come from James van Riemsdyk, Coyle, and Frederic, with the Bruins outscoring teams, 7-2, in their 122:07 of five-on-five time together.
▪ Jake DeBrusk is fifth among Bruins forwards in ice time per game (17:02). But his value will wane unless he starts finding the net. DeBrusk is on pace for just 13 goals — a major dip from his 27 in just 64 games last season. Rough timing for a player set to hit free agency.
▪ The Bruins’ dearth of salary-cap space this past summer forced them to get creative. So far, bargain-bin signings van Riemsdyk (16 points) and Danton Heinen (9) have been home runs. Among standard NHL contracts, CapFriendly has van Riemsdyk’s as the sixth-best value as far as cost per point ($62,500). Heinen, meanwhile, has more five-on-five points than former Bruin Tyler Bertuzzi (7) — on a deal $4.725 million cheaper than that of the Leafs forward.
Conor Ryan can be reached at [email protected]
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Behind the Bruins: 15 stats that help explain the good and the bad of an overall strong start
By Conor Ryan Boston.com Staff,Updated December 12, 2023, 6:26 p.m.29
The Bruins are already well past the first-quarter mark of the season, with Boston pacing the Atlantic Division with an 18-5-3 record.
Here are 15 stats and trends that help explain the Bruins’ strong start and map out a few flaws that must be corrected in the months ahead:
▪ The main reason why Boston still sits atop the Atlantic lies in the play of goalies Jeremy Swayman and Linus Ullmark. Among the 52 goalies with at least 500 minutes of ice time this season, Swayman (.858) and Ullmark (.850) rank fifth and sixth, respectively, in save percentage on high-danger shots. Per MoneyPuck, Swayman and Ullmark have posted a combined 14.3 goals saved above average.
▪ The Bruins rank third in the NHL at 2.50 goals allowed per game, but the structure in front of Swayman and Ullmark has left a bit to be desired. Per Natural Stat Trick, Boston has been pedestrian in negating quality chances — ranking 15th in the league in five-on-five high-danger chances against per 60 minutes of play (11.11).
▪ David Pastrnak has diversified his arsenal. Of his 16 goals this season, 14 have been credited as wrist shots. Pastrnak’s emphasis on playmaking has also yielded impressive returns, with him on pace for a career-high 73 assists and 123 points.
▪ As noted by colleague Kevin Paul Dupont this week, the Bruins haven’t doled out a lot of hits this season. Trent Frederic leads the Bruins with just 48 — with 54 NHLers ahead of him in that category. Boston’s top hitter on the blue line? Brandon Carlo with 29 over 26 games.
▪ A glimpse at the Bruins’ zone time at even strength shows a team settling for far too many one-and-done surges. As noted by NHL EDGE player and puck-tracking data, the Bruins have spent just 40.7 percent of their even-strength time in the offensive zone, ranking below the 50th percentile of NHL teams.
The Bruins have not adhered to an effective forechecking game that can wear opponents down and extend their own time in the attacking zone. Teams such as the Panthers and Hurricanes have forged long playoff runs in recent years by pinning teams in their end and forcing miscues under duress. It might be time for the Bruins to take a page out of that book.
▪ Jim Montgomery has emphasized quality over quantity with shot selection since taking over as Bruins coach. Boston ranks 11th in five-on-five goals (56) this season, but it’s not for lack of trying. The Bruins are in the 82nd percentile with 243 shots on goal from high-danger areas. A shot-first mentality from the blue-line corps is needed to help capitalize on instances when Bruins skaters are crowding the opposing crease.
▪ A six-on-five tally from the Panthers’ Brandon Montour set the stage for the Bruins stunning first-round collapse last April. Those last-minute woes have carried over. In 34:41 of ice time against an empty net this season, the Bruins have relinquished seven goals, most in the league.
▪ Boston’s power play has been solid (22.9 percent, ranking 11th). But the penalty kill has snuffed out scoring chances at an elite level, ranking first with an 89.9 percent kill rate. The Bruins have spent only 55.3 percent of their time on the PK in the defensive zone, which ranks in the 93rd percentile.
Carlo and Derek Forbort have been defensive anchors on the penalty kill, but they’ve been just as good at five-on-five. Boston has outscored teams, 34-15, in that duo’s combined 695 minutes of five-on-five ice time.
▪ For all the talk surrounding Boston’s pivot pipeline following the retirements of Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci, Charlie Coyle and Pavel Zacha have largely held their own. Coyle is on pace for a career-high 66 points, and Zacha a career-high 60.
▪ Mason Lohrei has showcased plenty of potential, but it’s evident that he still has some work to do in the defensive zone. During his 12 games, the Bruins have given up 22 five-on-five goals. Lohrei has been on the ice for 13 of those.
▪ It’s to be expected for a youngster such as Lohrei to have growing pains in the D-zone. What has been a surprise is the lackluster returns from the top pairing of Charlie McAvoy and Matt Grzelcyk. In their 144:42 of five-on-five ice time together, the Bruins have been outscored, 5-3. From 2020-23, the Bruins outscored teams, 86-32, in that tandem’s 1,362:17 of five-on-five reps.
▪ With Bergeron, Krejci, and Tomas Nosek in place last season, Boston ranked second in the NHL in faceoff win percentage (54.5). This season has been a bit more of a struggle, as the Bruins rank 13th (51.0). Johnny Beecher (55.0 percent) and Coyle (53.7) have been bright spots, while Matt Poitras (43.7) remains a work in progress.
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▪ Be it injuries or the sizable overhaul of forward corps, Montgomery has largely put his lines in a blender. Per Natural Stat Trick, the Bruins have rolled out 14 different lines that have logged at least 20 minutes of five-on-five time together. The strongest returns have come from James van Riemsdyk, Coyle, and Frederic, with the Bruins outscoring teams, 7-2, in their 122:07 of five-on-five time together.
▪ Jake DeBrusk is fifth among Bruins forwards in ice time per game (17:02). But his value will wane unless he starts finding the net. DeBrusk is on pace for just 13 goals — a major dip from his 27 in just 64 games last season. Rough timing for a player set to hit free agency.
▪ The Bruins’ dearth of salary-cap space this past summer forced them to get creative. So far, bargain-bin signings van Riemsdyk (16 points) and Danton Heinen (9) have been home runs. Among standard NHL contracts, CapFriendly has van Riemsdyk’s as the sixth-best value as far as cost per point ($62,500). Heinen, meanwhile, has more five-on-five points than former Bruin Tyler Bertuzzi (7) — on a deal $4.725 million cheaper than that of the Leafs forward.
Conor Ryan can be reached at [email protected]
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