Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion V

[Colt.45Orr]

Lindgren was the guy. Unfortunately we moved him for Nash. Went for it and he got hurt. Healthy Nash on that team was a game changer IMO. Shit happens though.

It was a shit trade. Nash had the same PPG for the Bruins pre and post concusson.

 

[RoccoF14]

Hindsight is 20/20. I don’t recall too many people bitching about it at the time it was made…..

 

[TobanWest]

Per physical additions,

pick up at 26:25,



pick up at 25:00,

Sure hope these two don't come around here with the crazy though of heavy, big menacing forwards that can lay people out, fight and create intimidation. Stall, Simmonds, Pool Party. They better be ready for some shade
What do they know about Bruins hockey...

 

[HumBucker]

I guess he would know?
If he's wrong, he might get crucified on social media.

 

[NDiesel]

It was a shit trade. Nash had the same PPG for the Bruins pre and post concusson.

Besides Lindgren, who was still an unknown, there is not a single piece that would have helped us in that run OR helped us today....20/20 hindsight, Nash looked great before the concussion but couldn't generate points then wasn't the same after it.

 

[GordonHowe]

Besides Lindgren, who was still an unknown, there is not a single piece that would have helped us in that run OR helped us today....20/20 hindsight, Nash looked great before the concussion but couldn't generate points then wasn't the same after it.

The 2018 first round draft selection might have come in handy.

 

[NDiesel]

The 2018 first round draft selection might have come in handy.

Perhaps, hard to know who they would have picked there but at pick 26 there is a chance that player is only just starting to make an impact in the NHL now - gladly give that future uncertainty up to have a guy you think will help you win right away.

 

[GordonHowe]

Perhaps, hard to know who they would have picked there but at pick 26 there is a chance that player is only just starting to make an impact in the NHL now - gladly give that future uncertainty up to have a guy you think will help you win right away.

It may appear to be 20/20 hindsight, but I was against the deal from the beginning because of his concussion history and the price tag. Nash was damaged goods, and anyone who can count should have been leery.

I'm not wagging my finger and saying "I told you so." I've been wrong plenty and I'll be wrong again.

 

[dafoomie]

It was a shit trade. Nash had the same PPG for the Bruins pre and post concusson.

The worst part of it was the deal they didn't make. Ryan McDonagh was the prize that year and everyone knew it, Tampa got him and the rest is history.

 

[wintersej]

The worst part of it was the deal they didn't make. Ryan McDonagh was the prize that year and everyone knew it, Tampa got him and the rest is history.

Sure but didn't they want DeBrusk? At the time it was a team that needed to add up front, not subtract. I mean hindsight... yeah.... but at the time putting a wall around your 21 year old top six forward was defensible. Especially when they wanted++ on top of it.

 

[dafoomie]

Sure but didn't they want DeBrusk? At the time it was a team that needed to add up front, not subtract. I mean hindsight... yeah.... but at the time putting a wall around your 21 year old top six forward was defensible. Especially when they wanted++ on top of it.

Tampa didn't give them DeBrusk or anyone comparable, they were outmaneuvered. If the Bruins are going for McDonagh or Nash, and Tampa only wants McDonagh, to maximize their return the Rangers would have to deal McDonagh to Tampa. DeBrusk was the cost of overcoming that.

 

[wintersej]

Tampa didn't give them DeBrusk or anyone comparable, they were outmaneuvered. If the Bruins are going for McDonagh or Nash, and Tampa only wants McDonagh, to maximize their return the Rangers would have to deal McDonagh to Tampa. DeBrusk was the cost of overcoming that.

Wish you posted more often! Great insight.

 

[Patdud]

Sure but didn't they want DeBrusk? At the time it was a team that needed to add up front, not subtract. I mean hindsight... yeah.... but at the time putting a wall around your 21 year old top six forward was defensible. Especially when they wanted++ on top of it.

considering they dumped in JT Miller as part of it...

 

[ranold26]

Important for this thread.

 

[Ratty]

Increase in the Cap will have an impact on Sweeney’s plans. Opens up opportunities to sign needed talent such as Lindstrom unless Flames decide to up the ante.

 

[Dizzay]

Outside of where they are at in the standings to date: I wonder if management thinks this year is a go for it or just play the cards you were dealt and make major moves when you have the money in the offseason.

Situation 1: go for it.
Question becomes how much does it cost to pry Lindholm and Hanifin retained out of Calgary? Obviously the intent is to re-sign both. You open extreme asking for both 50% retained which means we need to send back almost 5 million bucks. Do we trade Gryz first and get some assets to include in this deal of use him for this deal and then the flames choose to try and re-sign or flip him at the deadline? Lindholm retained will cost you a 1st rounder plus. Hanifin would likely cost prospect + roster player. A team lacking firepower in the top 6, do we trade Jake in this deal and hope we can pivot for another young top 6 in a different deal?

Situation 2: play the season yet
I think this team's record is better than it should be, mostly because our goaltending and defense combined are best in the league. I think our top 6 needs improvement and we need a bit more jam (Losing Looch hurts us bad) in the bottom 6. Rather than sell off prospects and picks, do we accept that this year likely isn't ours and we wait and go all in next year after some serious summer spending and a little more seasoned Poitras/Beecher/Lohrei?

I always stated it on here, I go into every season thinking the Bruins are going to win the cup so for me, if you can responsibly add two guys like Hanifin and Lindholm without blowing up your future, I go all in this season but I would understand staying pat and letting the chips fall where they may

 

[UncleRico]

Important for this thread.

So approx a $4.2m increase. Not bad

 

[sarge88]

So approx a $4.2m increase. Not bad

That’s about, what 70-75% of what JDB would want, if they wanted to keep him?

 

[CellyHard]

That’s about, what 70-75% of what JDB would want, if they wanted to keep him?

I really have no idea what JD is going to cost. In the off-season I would have said somewhere around 6.5 but I honestly don’t think I would go more than 5/5.5.

Great middle six player. Good speed. Awesome hands and finish around the net. Great defensively but just wildly inconsistent.

Sweeney struck a good deal for Zacha mid-season last year I’d love for him to try a hammer something out closer to that

 

[Kazcram]

id say offer JD 4x 4.5 , far too often are players baing paid for what they were and not what they are .

 

[dugg133]

Important for this thread.

That'd mean that as of now we have 26mil in cap space to work with this summer, with the obvious caveat that Debrusk and Swayman need new deals. But regardless of that, they should still have the cap space to make some really noteable additions this summer, especially if they move Ullmark and commit to Sway as the starter.

Personally, Sam Reinhart is still my #1 guy. I haven't seen much buzz about the Panthers trying to get an extension done with him and he'd be the perfect guy to put next to Poitras. He's an excellent finisher that's also great defensively, can't ask for much more then that next to a young playmaker. Can also pivot to center if you wanna try moving Zacha back to the wing or something.

Beyond that I think we also probably need to find a top 4 LHD so that you don't go into the season NEEDING Lohrei to be a full time top pair guy next to McAvoy. Hanifin will probably be out of our price range, but I was looking at some names and Brady Skjei could be a good guy to target, won't get the AAV or term that a guy like Hanifin will but he's still a bonafide top 4 defenseman.

 

[Bocephus86]

I must admit I see very little Calgary thanks to time zones and, frankly, I'll watch other games during competing time slots. Is Lindholm a real number one? Or are we looking at a 2A/2B scenario with Zacha? He seems to be about a .7 PPG type player. Solid defensively, but not the traditional number one you think of. And will be 30 starting next year.

Second question: Hanifan. Seems like a number 1 on a bad team, great number 2 on a good/great team. Size, puts up point for a D man. Local kid. Good age to commit to long term. Does he play hard/physical? If he would take 7ish than we're looking at our top 4 D taking ~28 mil, leaving 60 for the rest of the roster. I am fine with that, given the talent in that group. Or are people thinking we can somehow move Lindholm in a secondary deal? He's disappointed this year, but I still think he's worth his contract and can be a solid 2nd pairing anchor. Mac/Hanifan; Lindholm/Lohrie; Carlo/PP Specialist? I consider Carlo in the top 4 group even though I have him on the bottom pair in that example.

I really like the idea of a strong defensive core with size and physicality. Forwards I have more trouble with since I like our group, and I feel like we are missing a game-breaking Center, not another 2nd line center we hope that Pasta can elevate.

I don't know, just spit balling. Its really Hanifan I am most intrigued by, I wish I watched him play more.

TLR - can someone link me to a scouting report on Hanifan that is fair?

 

[wintersej]

Let's just say the Bruins made a deal with Calgary that included futures plus Forbort or Gryz for a retained Hanifin. The expectation is that you would let the one of Forbort/Gryz that remains walk in the offseason for Lorhei.

Lindholm McAvoy
Hanifin Carlo
Gryz Shattenkirk

or

Lindholm McAvoy
Hanifin Carlo
Forbort Shattenkirk

Which lineup do you prefer?

Of note, Hanifin plays PK1 in Calgary.

I would keep Gryz over Forbort and start the hunt for a physical RD than can partner with Lorhei next year and Gryz this year, with understanding that might not be able to happen until the offseason.

 

[Bocephus86]

Let's just say the Bruins made a deal with Calgary that included futures plus Forbort or Gryz for a retained Hanifin. The expectation is that you would let the one of Forbort/Gryz that remains walk in the offseason for Lorhei.

Lindholm McAvoy
Hanifin Carlo
Gryz Shattenkirk

or

Lindholm McAvoy
Hanifin Carlo
Forbort Shattenkirk

Which lineup do you prefer?

Of note, Hanifin plays PK1 in Calgary.

I would keep Gryz over Forbort and start the hunt for a physical RD than can partner with Lorhei next year and Gryz this year, with understanding that might not be able to happen until the offseason.

Id prefer Forbort over Gryz for PK and durability come playoff time I think. Sucks to give up the offense and transition but I just worry about Gryz in the playoffs at all, so replacing him with someone that can play and survive is the move IMO.

 

[ON3M4N]

Tampa didn't give them DeBrusk or anyone comparable, they were outmaneuvered. If the Bruins are going for McDonagh or Nash, and Tampa only wants McDonagh, to maximize their return the Rangers would have to deal McDonagh to Tampa. DeBrusk was the cost of overcoming that.

They didn't?

Vladislav Namestnikov - Drafted 2011, had 20G/44PTS in 62GP before Tampa traded him. His first two full years in the NHL he played at a 33pt pace. Former first round and showed potential just like DeBrusk, but he was a few years older.

Brett Howden - Drafted 2016 in the 1st round. Put up 156pt in the WHL over 107gp after being drafted. Was a PPG player at the U-20's. Looked every bit the guy to be a top 6 center in the future.

DeBrusk - Drafted in 2015 in the 1st round. Put up 65pts in 61gp in the WHL the year after being drafted. Following season he put up 49pts in 74 AHL games. Prior to TBL/NYR making a trade, DeBrusk had 30pts in 56 NHL games for his rookie season.

I'd say Howden at the time was more than comparable. Namestnikov was a little older but he was seen at 25yrs old as someone who was going to take that next step into a consistent Top 6 center, but he never did.