Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion V

[GordonHowe]

But, we just listed the players who have been drafted or acquired where toughness was part of their DNA as a player. Some of them didn't work out, some them priced out like Kuraly/Acciari. Some of them broke ( Backes, Foligno ) and one of them broke our hearts. I think some of it IS bad luck in that department.

I'd like a little more toughness too. But I think it's pretty short sighted to say they've done nothing to address the issue. A couple of other guys I didn't menton: Josh Brown, Jarrod Tinordi, two big guys who can drop the gloves but ultimately weren't good enough to be regulars and left as free agents.

Well, Jarred Tinordi.

Was he the greatest thing since sliced bread? No. But you couldn't find a place for him on a team that needs toughness?

Let's agree to disagree. And disagree without being disagreeable.

I feel as I do. And I will be pleased when Sweeney departs the scene. He's a very good general manager, but I would like another approach.

 

[PB37]

Well, Jarred Tinordi.

Was he the greatest thing since sliced bread? No. But you couldn't find a place for him on a team that needs toughness?

Let's agree to disagree. And disagree without being disagreeable.

I feel as I do. And I will be pleased when Sweeney departs the scene. He's a very good general manager, but I would like another approach.

I don't mind the discourse, my man. You bring up good points and are very reasonable. I just think you're missing the boat when you say they haven't done anything to address toughness on the team. It is a team constructed with the more of a modern approach to team building than old school, which you're not cool with and I understand. If anything, I just want to see the team win, by any means, with any types of players out there on the ice.

 

[Sheppy]

This is literally your purpose here

Hahah seriously.

 

[GordonHowe]

I don't mind the discourse, my man. You bring up good points and are very reasonable. I just think you're missing the boat when you say they haven't done anything to address toughness on the team. It is a team constructed with the more of a modern approach to team building than old school, which you're not cool with and I understand. If anything, I just want to see the team win, by any means, with any types of players out there on the ice.

I agree Sweeney has sought to address a lack of physical play over the years, but he has not succeeded. I believe that is obvious.

I also believe that if you look at any of the Stanley Cup winners over the last 10 years, save perhaps Colorado, you will find team toughness and attitude alongside skill and speed.

There is no earthly reason why you cannot combine those three. It's a winning formula; it works in the playoffs and it works when you win the Cup.

Again, it's not rocket science.

Finally, and I understand that it's a dopey predisposition, but winning is not my bottom line. Of course I want to win, but I want to win with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

That's why I love hockey.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I agree Sweeney has sought to address a lack of physical play over the years, but he has not succeeded. I believe that is obvious.

I also believe that if you look at any of the Stanley Cup winners over the last 10 years, save perhaps Colorado, you will find team toughness and attitude alongside skill and speed.

There is no earthly reason why you cannot combine those three. It's a winning formula; it works in the playoffs and it works when you win the Cup.

Again, it's not rocket science.

Finally, and I understand that it's a dopey predisposition, but winning is not my bottom line. Of course I want to win, but I want to win with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

That's why I love hockey.

Winning is also my bottom line, but toughness is just a necessary component and should not be emphasized at the expense of talent.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I agree Sweeney has sought to address a lack of physical play over the years, but he has not succeeded. I believe that is obvious.

I also believe that if you look at any of the Stanley Cup winners over the last 10 years, save perhaps Colorado, you will find team toughness and attitude alongside skill and speed.

There is no earthly reason why you cannot combine those three. It's a winning formula; it works in the playoffs and it works when you win the Cup.

Again, it's not rocket science.

Finally, and I understand that it's a dopey predisposition, but winning is not my bottom line. Of course I want to win, but I want to win with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

That's why I love hockey.

And yet when you post about Harry Sinden, its all about not just winning, but winning Stanley Cups. And apparently not being cheap is also more important than putting teams out there with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

 

[GordonHowe]

Winning is also my bottom line, but toughness is just a necessary component and should not be emphasized at the expense of talent.

Fair enough.

Don Quixote is not my name. But I root for my Bruins for a reason. Winning is not my be all and end all.

Bruins hockey as it's been more or less from the beginning is why I love this team. Even when they lose.

They could be a bunch of Fancy Dan's, as Derek would say, and win zillions of Cups, and I wouldn't care one iota.

Fool that I am, I want Boston Bruins hockey as nature intended.

Look no further than Eddie Shore. He embodied everything Bruins from the very beginning. And that's why I'm a Boston Bruins fan, and not a Toronto Maple Leafs fan, or a Montreal Canadiens fan.

 

[GordonHowe]

I‘m not doubting the idea that Toronto will do the stupidest thing possible….

Paying 4 forwards about 1/2 of the entire cap….

and if you include the tragically overrated Rielly, that would be about 51 million out of 82/84….on 5 players.

But I am at least considering the fact that they won’t do the dumbest thing possible.

You will be considering for some time.

Book it.

 

[Gee Wally]

You really , really dont want to know my purpose.

Now knock it off.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Fair enough.

Don Quixote is not my name. But I root for my Bruins for a reason. Winning is not my be all and and all.

Bruins hockey as it's been more or less from the beginning is why I love this team. Even when they lose.

They could be a bunch of Fancy Dan's, as Derek would say, and win zillions of Cups, and I wouldn't care one iota.

Fool that I am, I want Boston Bruins hockey as nature intended.

Look no further than Eddie Shore. He embodied everything Bruins from the very beginning. And that's why I'm a Boston Bruins fan, and not a Toronto Maple Leafs fan, or a Montreal Canadiens fan.

All I care about is winning. I find that while toughness is necessary, The Bruins have often used it to distract fans from not having the necessary talent to truly contend.

 

[GordonHowe]

Vegas comes to mind. That being said Boston’s defence is good. I’m surprised any. Bruins fans are unhappy with it.

You have to admit it's been pretty bad lately. I'm sure they will right the ship. It would be great to add some size and you know what back there.

All I care about is winning. I find that while toughness is necessary, The Bruins have often used it to distract fans from not having the necessary talent to truly contend.

That was fair during the late seventies under Sinden.

But if you look at the Bruins history, you'll see that DNA tattooed all over the team. It's not an aberration. It's DNA.

And that's how I want it.

All I care about is winning. I find that while toughness is necessary, The Bruins have often used it to distract fans from not having the necessary talent to truly contend.

That was fair during the late seventies under Sinden.

But if you look at the Bruins history, you'll see that DNA tattooed all over the team. It's not an aberration. It's DNA.

And that's how I want it.

 

[quietbruinfan]

You have to admit it's been pretty bad lately. I'm sure they will right the ship. It would be great to add some size and you know what back there.


That was fair during the late seventies under Sinden.

But if you look at the Bruins history, you'll see that DNA tattooed all over the team. It's not an aberration. It's DNA.

And that's how I want it.


That was fair during the late seventies under Sinden.

But if you look at the Bruins history, you'll see that DNA tattooed all over the team. It's not an aberration. It's DNA.

And that's how I want it.

The DNA is flawed. They were not true contenders in the 50s, certainly not for most of the 60s, and frankly the lunchpail gang was always going to come up second or third best. Sinden epitomized this flawed nature from day one of his apprenticeship under Lynn Patrick.

 

[GordonHowe]

The DNA is flawed. They were not true contenders in the 50s, certainly not for most of the 60s, and frankly the lunchpail gang was always going to come up second or third best.

True.

I would counter with the Milt Schmidt era Cup winning teams. The Big Bad Bruins, and the Big Bad Bruins Redux of the Peter Chiarelli regime.

In the event, I prefer skill, speed, and physical intimidation. I want heart and soul from my team, for one another as well as us fans.

"Call me an old softie, but that's how I see it."

 

[Hookslide]

Well, Jarred Tinordi.

Was he the greatest thing since sliced bread? No. But you couldn't find a place for him on a team that needs toughness?

Let's agree to disagree. And disagree without being disagreeable.

I feel as I do. And I will be pleased when Sweeney departs the scene. He's a very good general manager, but I would like another approach.

You are spot on about Tinordi, he was what is needed on this team now. I believe if you have a Luccic type player and I am just using his name, but if add in a Frederics and some heavy hitters or at least willing to get nasty, that the "all for one one for all" takes on a different meaning and it can get contagious.I have seen it happen.

 

[dafoomie]

When the Red Wings were too soft to win the Cup, Joey Kocur was a nice pickup but it took Brendan Shanahan to change who they were. It can't just be on the periphery. I don't know if that's in the cards, that ship probably sailed a couple years ago.

What's more achievable now is getting a center, it would make the rest of their lineup mostly work. Whichever of Marchand or DeBrusk that isn't on the top line is kind of on an island right now.

 

[veganbruin]

I know I’m late but who from Anaheim could Sweens be looking at? I don’t really see a fit.

 

[GordonHowe]

I know I’m late but who from Anaheim could Sweens be looking at? I don’t really see a fit.

Brian Burke.

 

[Bodit9]

Ullmark, Gryz, Merkulov for Hertl.

 

[Hookslide]

Ullmark, Gryz, Merkulov for Hertl.

I could be wrong but, I see no reason why San Jose would want Ullmark at this stage of their rebuild, unless you involved another team.

 

[SPV]

Because I'm bored and my wife is away and I have nothing on my agenda LOL, I took the time to make a list of all the pending free agents on losing teams; these are possibly the only real targets outside of a 'real' hockey trade moving a guy for a guy. Some interesting names on the list below; not sure what they would cost, but I think a few of them could address our needs. Some of these teams are on the bubble; so, they might not be ready to make a move yet anyway (I included Montreal, but doubtful they make a trade with us)

 

[SPV]

One name that sticks out to me on my list, and yes I hate to say it, but we did trade for Hathaway last year. Pat Maroon

 

[CellyHard]

Because I'm bored and my wife is away and I have nothing on my agenda LOL, I took the time to make a list of all the pending free agents on losing teams; these are possibly the only real targets outside of a 'real' hockey trade moving a guy for a guy. Some interesting names on the list below; not sure what they would cost, but I think a few of them could address our needs. Some of these teams are on the bubble too; so, they might not be ready to make a move yet anyway (I included Montreal, but doubtful they make a trade with us)

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First, shoutout to you for putting this together.

Second, I think Jack Roslovic could be a sneaky buy-low candidate. He has all the talent but theres just something about CBJ where offense goes to die. They tried him at center last year and it didn't work. This year he's on IR for a couple weeks.

He just seems like a guy that needs a change of scenery and I don't think it would really cost a lot

 

[Number8]

And yet Forbort is +8, 2nd on the team.

I've been made aware of the stat that measures luck. Forbort 's number is extremely high. But at this point, I'm happy for the luck. Kevan Miller had that horseshoe with him during his playing days too.

Many foolish people ragged on KMiller when he was here. Same with Ferrence.

Both had compete and toughness levels that were extraordinary.

When I at what improvements would increase odds in playoffs, replacing Forbert is way down the list.

is he perfect? No. But he‘s a #6 dman for God’s sake. Show me a team that team that didn’t win it all for the simple reason their #6 dman wasn’t perfect and I’ll show you a unicorn.

 

[Number8]

I mean Gabrielle, Zboril, Lauzon, Frederic, Lindgren, Lauko, Kuntar, Edwards and McAvoy, etc. He has drafted a guy with that mindset every single draft. Just a lot of them, like most draft picks, have not panned out.

Lindgren was the guy. Unfortunately we moved him for Nash. Went for it and he got hurt. Healthy Nash on that team was a game changer IMO. Shit happens though.

 

[wintersej]

Lindgren was the guy. Unfortunately we moved him for Nash. Went for it and he got hurt. Healthy Nash on that team was a game changer IMO. Shit happens though.

IIRC we all kinda viewed he and Lauzon as redundant. Let the wrong one go. Bad luck.