Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion V

[Dennis Bonvie]

That defense after the McAvoy, Carlo and Lindholm is just not that good, sorry . I agree a wing is the way to go, center is more costly right now, off season is the time too address that position. I also want to know what center would you like to get, and what center would you like to take out of the lineup ? Coyle, Poitras, Zacha.

Do you think there are a lot of teams out there that are very good after their top 3 on defense?

 

[DKH]

That defense after the McAvoy, Carlo and Lindholm is just not that good, sorry . I agree a wing is the way to go, center is more costly right now, off season is the time too address that position. I also want to know what center would you like to get, and what center would you like to take out of the lineup ? Coyle, Poitras, Zacha.

I agree

Lohrei not ready for serious top 4

Grzelcyk struggling this season in regular season where been great

Forbort is a solid third pair who is very good PK and first to defend a teammate in scrum (somehow few here notice or want to notice)

Why Sweeney should just go get Hanifin even if it costs a future 1 and prospect

 

[DKH]

Bottom line is if Sweeney acts consistently and goes for it they can once again enter playoffs as a favorite

The center group overall is good enough and getting better

Any center would be to push Zacha to LW and protect the top 2 lines with 3 legit centers in the 6 positions

 

[NeelyDan]

You must think the B's are the most talented team in the league.

They have 4 regulation losses, while too often not showing up?

Ugh, nevermind

I can’t with this group anymore

You’re absolutely right nothing is wrong

 

[DKH]

Billy Jaffe moments ago disagrees with you. “The Bruins absolutely have to address the toughness factor on this team”. He went on to suggest (as most of us have here) that he’s not referring to fighter, but more so players who “can tenderize opponents”. Jaffe suggested he would look to Columbus and ask about Boone Jenner. Maybe a Brock Nelson if the Isles fall off a cliff. Just get some players here who are mother******* to play against.


As fans we never know which players are “available”. But I agree it’s a difficult hole to plug via trade, that’s why I suggested they make an attempt to draft those type of players.

It was designed very well

JVR- Coyle - Frederic
Lucic- Beecher - Lauko

Big, toughness and speed

Luckily they signed Heinen who the Hockey Show said he’s won 64% of board battles - clearly knowledge/brain processing how to get puck not just overpower but result is result

 

[Kegs]

Didn't Zadarov just get traded to Vancouver? I'm confused.

Zadorov traded to Canucks by Flames | NHL.com

Defenseman has 6 points in 21 games, can become unrestricted free agent after season

www.nhl.com

Yes he did.

 

[Oates2Neely]

UFA targets next summer:
Nylander ($$$)
E.Lindholm ($)
Hanifin

Trade targets offseason:
Brock Nelson
Tomas Hertl
Boone Jenner

Gone:
Forbort
Ullmark
Grzelcyk
DeBrusk (depending on contract)

Agree with @DKH Lohrei not ready for top 4 action. Let him marinate next few seasons on 3rd pairing/ on PP.

 

[Hookslide]

I agree

Lohrei not ready for serious top 4

Grzelcyk struggling this season in regular season where been great

Forbort is a solid third pair who is very good PK and first to defend a teammate in scrum (somehow few here notice or want to notice)

Why Sweeney should just go get Hanifin even if it costs a future 1 and prospect

You are right about Loheri, he is not ready, I know everyone wants this kid to play up on the big club, but learning that position takes longer than the forward position.

 

[Oates2Neely]

With any luck Stamkos would reach free agency and want to stick it to the Bolts.
2 years/ 8m per

DeBrusk Zacha Pastrnak
Marchand Poitras (Stamkos)
Heinen Coyle Frederic

 

[DKH]

UFA targets next summer:
Nylander ($$$)
E.Lindholm ($)
Hanifin

Trade targets offseason:
Brock Nelson
Tomas Hertl
Boone Jenner

Gone:
Forbort
Ullmark
Grzelcyk
DeBrusk (depending on contract)

Agree with @DKH Lohrei not ready for top 4 action. Let him marinate next few seasons on 3rd pairing/ on PP.

We are basically in lock step

Nylander is Pastrnak buddy - to get him you obviously lose DeBrusk but have 2 home run hitters you can play on each line both on PP

Zacha- Pastrnak
Poitras - Nylander

Young base should be ass kicking for several years

Gotta think Toronto will pay 11.5 M somehow

 

[sarge88]

We are basically in lock step

Nylander is Pastrnak buddy - to get him you obviously lose DeBrusk but have 2 home run hitters you can play on each line both on PP

Zacha- Pastrnak
Poitras - Nylander

Young base should be ass kicking for several years

Gotta think Toronto will pay 11.5 M somehow

I‘m not doubting the idea that Toronto will do the stupidest thing possible….

Paying 4 forwards about 1/2 of the entire cap….

and if you include the tragically overrated Rielly, that would be about 51 million out of 82/84….on 5 players.

But I am at least considering the fact that they won’t do the dumbest thing possible.

 

[DKH]

I‘m not doubting the idea that Toronto will do the stupidest thing possible….

Paying 4 forwards about 1/2 of the entire cap….

and if you include the tragically overrated Rielly, that would be about 51 million out of 82/84….on 5 players.

But I am at least considering the fact that they won’t do the dumbest thing possible.

Bruins could afford Nylander but DeBrusk would go I think

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Bruins could afford Nylander but DeBrusk would go I think

Easily have room for both especially if they trade Ullmark

 

[wintersej]

Says who? You know this how? You know who else is a really bad pairing? Forbort and Shattenkirk, Forbort and Mitchell stinks too. Forbort basically with anyone isn't great.

Anyways, that's kinda my point. Say it's a bad idea because of "x"....Cap space.....Bad fit without other changes....that kind of stuff. It's amazing that this Bruins 4th line and 3rd pairing is so good, nothing ever suggested here is an upgrade or good idea for some

Forbort and Lubs are two of the worst puck movers in the game. Put them together and the Bruins are stuck in their zone the whole time. It's not rocket science. Add to that that you need to clear out a real NHL salary to fit Lubs. Likely either Forbort or Gryz.

If you are moving out Forbort, you look like this:

Gryz McAvoy
Lindhom Carlo
Lorhei Lubs

So to add Lubs bit of physicality, you are now playing Lorhei on the PK and if you have an injury in the D group on the left side you suddenly have Zboril in the lineup.

If you move out Gryz...

Lorhei McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Forbort Lubs

So now you have Lorhei on the first pairing and on the #2PK, with Zboril as his backup. And you have the worst picking moving bottom pairing in the game.

And even worse, with McAvoy and Carlo already on RD, you aren't really gaining much ok the PK with Lubs as a RD, which is a good hunk of his value.

Now... if there are more moves involved, maybe its interesting...

Lindhom McAvoy
Hanifin Carlo
Lorhei Lubs

Ok, that's interesting. But Lubs is the secondary move there.

Its just not thought out and then when people call other posters out for not offering solutions instead of pointing out the the original poster didn't ACTUALLY offer a solution, it gets annoying.

 

[DKH]

Easily have room for both especially if they trade Ullmark

Yeh I see that as of today (I reserve right to change mind)

Ullmark
Grzelcyk
Forbort
JVR
Shatty
DeBrusk ?

Cap up

You can add Hanifin & Nylander

 

[sarge88]

Bruins could afford Nylander but DeBrusk would go I think

Agreed.

He and Pasta seem tight.

 

[wintersej]

And yet Forbort is +8, 2nd on the team.

I've been made aware of the stat that measures luck. Forbort 's number is extremely high. But at this point, I'm happy for the luck. Kevan Miller had that horseshoe with him during his playing days too.

Yeah since he joined the Bruins his number is at 1.003 which is just as close as you can get to not lucky or unlucky. It will come back to earth. You can work out that maybe someone like Pasta because of his elite skills will always be a little "lucky" (he is at 1.022 for the same time period) because a shot from Pasta ain't average, but Forbort doesn't really fit that mold, even when he is in Orrbort mode. Can you live with it for his PK abilities and his ability to stick up for his teammates? And Darla, of course.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Kevan Miller had that horseshoe with him during his playing days too.

Kevan Miller was pretty much even on PDO career-wise.

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[Dr Hook]

Says who? You know this how? You know who else is a really bad pairing? Forbort and Shattenkirk, Forbort and Mitchell stinks too. Forbort basically with anyone isn't great.

Anyways, that's kinda my point. Say it's a bad idea because of "x"....Cap space.....Bad fit without other changes....that kind of stuff. It's amazing that this Bruins 4th line and 3rd pairing is so good, nothing ever suggested here is an upgrade or good idea for some

I would say in response that Forbort needs to be the worst skater/passer on his pairing. Two guys like that together and you'll never get out of your own zone clean. Good teams in the NHL can hem really good pairings and lines in with a heavy forecheck, so anyone that goes next to Forbort needs to be able to skate and retrieve and make a clean, fast, accurate exit pass.

My preference would be to move Forbort on (he's been a bit better, but still not a fan) and find someone for his role with a bit more aggression and jam (like Miller or McQuaid) and break Lohrei in on the third pair as the puck mover and 2nd PP guy. Bruins can cover the PK with what they have.

 

[Kegs]

Do you think there are a lot of teams out there that are very good after their top 3 on defense?

Vegas comes to mind. That being said Boston’s defence is good. I’m surprised any. Bruins fans are unhappy with it.

 

[DKH]

I would say in response that Forbort needs to be the worst skater/passer on his pairing. Two guys like that together and you'll never get out of your own zone clean. Good teams in the NHL can hem really good pairings and lines in with a heavy forecheck, so anyone that goes next to Forbort needs to be able to skate and retrieve and make a clean, fast, accurate exit pass.

My preference would be to move Forbort on (he's been a bit better, but still not a fan) and find someone for his role with a bit more aggression and jam (like Miller or McQuaid) and break Lohrei in on the third pair as the puck mover and 2nd PP guy. Bruins can cover the PK with what they have.

What do you think Sweeney D budget is ?

30 M? +/- 10 %

 

[Dr Hook]

What do you think Sweeney D budget is ?

30 M? +/- 10 %

I would guess it depends on who is available- I could see him going less on the forwards or moving one of Sway and Ullmark for the right players on D. But, you could run Hanifin-Lindholm-Lohrei on the left, Mac- Carlo- ?? on the right and it is costing you ~$23m + Hanifin. If he gets Lindholm-ish money, keeps you around $30m and just under a third of your team budget. I think that's workable.

The ?? guy could be a $1-2m banger type and you still stay in budget.

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

What is actually tough ?

Are we looking for fighters ?

How about everyone get their gloves sowed on to their jersey and wear a cage but finish every check

Dale Hunter could not fight and rarely did - as soon as scrum started he kept both hands on stick and brought it up across his chest like a shield - no penalty but effective

Finish checks is easy enough - clean and hard

McAvoy can’t fight but hits like a truck

Poitras is tough - he’s in on everything and has no fear

Huge over reaction here

Speaking of Poitras, I agree that he’s in on everything. He needs to do a better job of keeping his head up because a bell ringing is in his future. Great young player and I would also refer to him as tough.

 

[DKH]

I would guess it depends on who is available- I could see him going less on the forwards or moving one of Sway and Ullmark for the right players on D. But, you could run Hanifin-Lindholm-Lohrei on the left, Mac- Carlo- ?? on the right and it is costing you ~$23m + Hanifin. If he gets Lindholm-ish money, keeps you around $30m and just under a third of your team budget. I think that's workable.

Sweeney has options just what he does

I think Swayman ready for 54 games (67 %) workload - beast at Maine, technically sound - working with a guy like Ullmark has to be invaluable

Could keep Ullmark also but Swayman seems like a workhorse type

I’d probably still go Hanifin and DeBrusk but Jake needs to land 25 or over

Bruins D would be the nuts with Hanny & Lohrei

 

[PB37]

Bruins could afford Nylander but DeBrusk would go I think

If the Bruins get Nylander this offseason, that would give Poitras a Pasta-lite player to pass to. It would be interesting to see what he would demand for a contract though. It would also most likely make Lysell available on the trade market.


DeBrusk -- Zacha -- Pasta

Marchand -- Poitras -- Nylander

Heinen -- Coyle -- Frederic

Lauko -- Beecher -- XXXXX


Lohrei -- McAvoy

Lindholm -- Carlo

XXXXX -- XXXXX


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