Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion IX

[22Brad Park]

it's basically a torn labrum.People need to relax he will be back next season ready to go.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

it's basically a torn labrum.People need to relax he will be back next season ready to go.

I have no concern about him being ready for camp. I think the concern is will he be able to be back next season 12 pounds stronger, which is what we would have been looking for

 

[CDJ]

Agree....and there seems to be a knock the kid out attitude too

Good ol league initiation

 

[22Brad Park]

I have no concern about him being ready for camp. I think the concern is will he be able to be back next season 12 pounds stronger, which is what we would have been looking for

Well I think he will always be a light at this level.He needs to move pucks quicker for sure but this injury came from him initiating a hit in the corner.

 

[PB37]

Show me the record. If I wrote that, I will own up to it. I don't believe I've ever said that.

Boston Bruins - 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion V

But, we just listed the players who have been drafted or acquired where toughness was part of their DNA as a player. Some of them didn't work out, some them priced out like Kuraly/Acciari. Some of them broke ( Backes, Foligno ) and one of them broke our hearts. I think some of it IS bad luck in...

forums.hfboards.com

" Finally, and I understand that it's a dopey predisposition, but winning is not my bottom line. Of course I want to win, but I want to win with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

That's why I love hockey. "

I think I interpreted what you said differently then what you meant it to be. Apologies.

 

[Fenian24]

Good ol league initiation

Maybe if they had a couple guys to keep Poitras from getting run every game.......but I have been told here that does not work.

 

[CDJ]

Maybe if they had a couple guys to keep Poitras from getting run every game.......but I have been told here that does not work.

Didn’t he get hurt initiating a hit? I’d like for them to add some truculence too but I really don’t think it’s the reason for every bad thing that happens to the bruins like some of you do

 

[Gordoff]

It’s thinking and excuses like this as to why they are so soft. Chara used to drop the gloves to set the tone when he needed to.

Bruins had first line guys like Lucic and Horton playing heavy games, wearing teams down and fighting when necessary.

Then they had other guys like thorton, Campbell, mcquaid Ference who would drop the gloves and/or provided snarl in bottom like/pairing roles.

That team would have never allowed tkachuk to bully them and get to Ullmark on multiple occasions during last years playoff series.

Not saying it should be McAvoy, but in the past there were a handful of leaders on this team that played big minutes who were putting their bodies on the line constantly.

The bruins have none of that outside of Frederic. Sure they brought Lucic in, but Lucic and Frederic weren’t going to change the teams demeanor anyways. Lucic would just be an extra person to deal with cheap shots a few shifts later.

Not to mention getting under Noseks skin and dumping crap about his wife. Sorry but if I were him, that would've been the end of my playoffs and of the player (Tkachuk?) who said that shit. I would still be in suspension for my response. It may happen all the time, but the 2011 TEAM never would've let be an ongoing problem, physically, mentally abused to the point of tears.
I don't know how I would've reacted if it were my teammate either unless I really, personally disliked him. When nobody stood up and took out that player it showed him (Nosek) something about his teammates IMHO.

 

[Absurdity]

So do we see Beecher, Merkulov, Lysell or… Brown?

Yes

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

Yeah, you want your number one Dman who regularly throws bone crunching hits to be dropping the gloves and sitting in the box for 5 minutes at a time. Meanwhile I’ve not seen Charlie shy about scrums or laying the lumber hard.

i don’t want to be that guy but, seriously, posts like this are just……. well, lets just say they are complete and utter drivel. That’s as polite as i can be.

Yeah, we just can’t get by with Mcavoy sitting for 5 minutes per season. Big Z did it a lot and was a way more valuable player. Yeah, laying the lumber instead of fighting is way better.

 

[Gordoff]

Sad news on Poitras. I think he will come back bigger and stronger ready to take another spot next camp. Got some great experience under his belt this year.

I know he’s not the big rugged forward we would like to add to the line up, but I wouldn’t mind giving Lysell a chance.

Marchand-Coyle-Pastrnak
Debrusk-Zacha-Lysell
JVR-Geekie-Frederic

I Poitras, who is one tough kid got knocked around for so many games until finally he got taken out, how long would this treatment take to knockout Lysell?

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

I Poitras, who is one tough kid got knocked around for so many games until finally he got taken out, how long would this treatment take to knockout Lysell?

This takes its toll on players when there’s no protection.

 

[Gordoff]

This takes its toll on players when there’s no protection.

Right. Seeing (or hearing) how Lysell gets lined-up and hit with his head down I'm afraid he's going to be the next Ondrej Kase.

 

[GordonHowe]

History
- 2015-05-20 • Named General Manager by the Boston Bruins
- 2014-08-27 • Named General Manager by the Providence Bruins
- 2009-09-26 • Named Assistant General Manager by the Boston Bruins
- 2007-07-14 • Named Director of Hockey Operations by the Boston Bruins
- 2006-06-21 • Named Director of Player Development by the Boston Bruins

Let me get back to you on this point.

If you're right, you're right.

 

[GordonHowe]

Boston Bruins - 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion V

But, we just listed the players who have been drafted or acquired where toughness was part of their DNA as a player. Some of them didn't work out, some them priced out like Kuraly/Acciari. Some of them broke ( Backes, Foligno ) and one of them broke our hearts. I think some of it IS bad luck in...

forums.hfboards.com

" Finally, and I understand that it's a dopey predisposition, but winning is not my bottom line. Of course I want to win, but I want to win with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

That's why I love hockey. "

I think I interpreted what you said differently then what you meant it to be. Apologies.

Hold my feet to the fire . We can agree to disagree, and do so without being disagreeable.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

This takes its toll on players when there’s no protection.

It takes it's toll on players when there is protection. Protection doesn't stop you from being hurt on a clean check. Or in this case on a check where Poitras initiated the contact

 

[GordonHowe]

Boston Bruins - 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion V

But, we just listed the players who have been drafted or acquired where toughness was part of their DNA as a player. Some of them didn't work out, some them priced out like Kuraly/Acciari. Some of them broke ( Backes, Foligno ) and one of them broke our hearts. I think some of it IS bad luck in...

forums.hfboards.com

" Finally, and I understand that it's a dopey predisposition, but winning is not my bottom line. Of course I want to win, but I want to win with team toughness, attitude, physical intimidation, and playing for one another.

That's why I love hockey. "

I think I interpreted what you said differently then what you meant it to be. Apologies.

You are absolutely correct per Sweeney's position in 2011.

Official Boston Bruins Website | Boston Bruins

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

 

[dugg133]

Didn’t he get hurt initiating a hit? I’d like for them to add some truculence too but I really don’t think it’s the reason for every bad thing that happens to the bruins like some of you do

believe this is the play where he initially hurt his shoulder, and it is him initiating contact with an unfortunate results. Sucks, and I'm as disappointed as anyone, but anyone acting like this is a direct result of a lack of toughness is just not being objective.

And I spent all morning complaining about the teams lack of response last night so I'm more then willing to hear arguments about this stuff, but lets be reasonable

 

[chizzler]

“They were extremely physical after the whistle tonight and, yeah, I don’t think we tried to match that enough,” said defenseman Charlie McAvoy

This is a problem. It’s not about matching what your opponent is doing, its about playing with pride, standing up for eachother, and protecting your effing goalie. You need to do that regardless of the opponent.
Where the hell did this mindset come from?

Analytics

 

[CDJ]

believe this is the play where he initially hurt his shoulder, and it is him initiating contact with an unfortunate results. Sucks, and I'm as disappointed as anyone, but anyone acting like this is a direct result of a lack of toughness is just not being objective.

In a way it’s funny- the thing that crowd wants most from the bruins is actually what got him hurt. Thats not the narrative they want to run with though.


And again I would like them to add truculence, it just gets kinda insufferable when this is the level of discourse we get. Out goes the facts, in comes the feelings.

 

[JAD]

believe this is the play where he initially hurt his shoulder, and it is him initiating contact with an unfortunate results. Sucks, and I'm as disappointed as anyone, but anyone acting like this is a direct result of a lack of toughness is just not being objective.

And I spent all morning complaining about the teams lack of response last night so I'm more then willing to here arguments about this stuff, but lets be reasonable

Shoulder injury, very unfortunate, but not unexpected for his age group. Players under 25 years of age shoulder injuries have to be one of the most common. On the average between the ages of 18 - 25 men's body's are still developing and filling out developing that core strength, there are exceptions. However, a younger man trying the check/hit an older fully developed man can be like running into a tree or a wall just because of the muscle density of the older individual. In this case idk he just may not have had the angle or hit him awkwardly either way his body wasn't able to absorb the impact. Looking at the video it appears his shoulder made point of contact at a bad angle. Again an unfortunate result.

 

[The don godfather]

As long as Coyle and zacha keep producing we in business. Get well poitras great kid.

 

[sarge88]

In a way it’s funny- the thing that crowd wants most from the bruins is actually what got him hurt. Thats not the narrative they want to run with though.


And again I would like them to add truculence, it just gets kinda insufferable when this is the level of discourse we get. Out goes the facts, in comes the feelings.

I look at it a little differently.

To me, this is the perfect example to illustrate how much I disagree with (and hate) the whole “team toughness” theory. The contention that some have that all that matters is that the whole team is willing to “push back”, so to speak, makes no sense to me.

The players know who the pretenders are, and no amount of posing is going to change it.

Poitras injury, IMO, is a result of a kid getting hurt trying to be something he is not. I don’t want Poitras, Pasta, even McAvoy (because of his importance to the team) going out of their way to throw big hits.

I don’t want skill guys pretending to be tough. I want the skill guys doing skill guy things.

I want tough guys being and playing tough and I want far more of them in the lineup than they have now.

Now, after the whistle, if a guy wants to face wash you or give you a cross check to the back, fine…..you can push back, even if you aren’t capable of really doing anything fighting-wise.

But, IMO, the more legitimately tough guys you have on the ice, the less the Poitras’ of the world will need to worry about that stuff.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

How about Mcavoy stepping up in that department himself? His gloves seems to be a permanent part of his hands.

He's a terrible fighter and shouldn't be our main PMD, hitter AND fighter. Ridiculous ask.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Liam F'n O'Brien can threaten the Bruins captain loudly in front of the whole bench and nobody does anything about it. It's legit shameful.

This is the same Sweeney mentality that shows up in his rosters that get bounced in the 1st round over and over.