Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion IX

[dugg133]

Yes, his stat sheet looks fine lately, but that doesn't tell me if he's actually improved on the areas where Mougenel said he needed to. If he has, then that's great. Hopefully he continues and we see him get a chance with the Big B's here before the end of the season.

Mougenel's specific comments had nothing to do with Lysell's 200 foot game, it was entirely about him buying in to the team's offensive structure and not trying to go one on four when he had the puck. Here the actual quote:

“I hate the play in the third period where he’s trying to beat a guy one-on-four, that’s the stuff he’s got to get out of his game, and it’s recognizing that. We’re getting into year two here and he’s got to start buying in or he won’t play for Jim Montgomery.”

I don't watch every providence game, but I watch a fair bit and IMO he's done that. I know +/- isn't a very good stat, but it's all we have for the AHL and before those comments Lysell had an even rating in 23 games, and since those comments he's a +10 in 21 games while being a PPG. That's a player that's figuring it out and buying in.

 

[goldnblack]

this board: we need big nasty!

also this board: bring up 180 lbs Lysell pleaaaaase

We saw the time Poitras had with NHL size...

 

[dugg133]

this board: we need big nasty!

also this board: bring up 180 lbs Lysell pleaaaaase

We saw the time Poitras had with NHL size...

Wanting the 4th line and defense to get bigger/meaner and wanting our top prospect to get to get some NHL games when he looks ready and we have a need of middle 6 scorers are not mutually exclusive ideas.

 

[goldnblack]

Wanting the 4th line and defense to get bigger/meaner and wanting our top prospect to get to get some NHL games when he looks ready and we have a need of middle 6 scorers are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Poitras is our top prospect. And he looked like he needed more time.

 

[TD Charlie]

Poitras is our top prospect. And he looked like he needed more time.

I disagree. Right now Poitras is an after thought, at least until he recovers and perhaps puts on the freshmen 15.

 

[wintersej]

Poitras is our top prospect. And he looked like he needed more time.

Lysell had far far far far far more speed and shiftiness in his game than Poitras. Just more chance for him to avoid getting smacked around. Will it work? Who knows! Would I want to put the team in a position where they were relying on Lysell to be able to be a full time member of the top 9 in the playoffs? f*** no. But would I want to see if there was enough there they he could provide a Seguin in 2011 type spark in the playoffs? Don’t see the harm.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Mougenel's specific comments had nothing to do with Lysell's 200 foot game, it was entirely about him buying in to the team's offensive structure and not trying to go one on four when he had the puck. Here the actual quote:

“I hate the play in the third period where he’s trying to beat a guy one-on-four, that’s the stuff he’s got to get out of his game, and it’s recognizing that. We’re getting into year two here and he’s got to start buying in or he won’t play for Jim Montgomery.”

I don't watch every providence game, but I watch a fair bit and IMO he's done that. I know +/- isn't a very good stat, but it's all we have for the AHL and before those comments Lysell had an even rating in 23 games, and since those comments he's a +10 in 21 games while being a PPG. That's a player that's figuring it out and buying in.

Conversely, Lysell’s defensive game is highly underrated.

His last WJC, which was panned, actually saw him have very high defensive impacts—by far the highest on his team.

He’s got a very high motor and absolutely hounds the puck defensively and forecheck wise when I’ve watched him.

He’s not going to be crushing people but he has historically had a 200 ft game, going beyond this year and his slump.

 

[BruinsJoe]

Feels like the Habs are the tougher team right now

Wifi
Guhle
Kovacevic

Not only a feel it s a certainty...add to that list Anderson, Pezzeta, Struble

 

[ON3M4N]

Poitras is our top prospect. And he looked like he needed more time.

Poitras made the jump right from junior hockey as a 19yr old. Lysell played for a stretch in the SHL before coming over, and is now in his 2nd year of pro hockey. Lysell has experience playing against men which was something Poitras didn't. At some point you need to get a look and see what you have in Lysell. He's in his 3rd season since being drafted. How long does he need to marinade in the AHL before you bring him up even just for a few games to get a look?

 

[Mione134]

Conversely, Lysell’s defensive game is highly underrated.

His last WJC, which was panned, actually saw him have very high defensive impacts—by far the highest on his team.

He’s got a very high motor and absolutely hounds the puck defensively and forecheck wise when I’ve watched him.

He’s not going to be crushing people but he has historically had a 200 ft game, going beyond this year and his slump.

Pasta doesn't have much of a defensive game, so I'm not worried really if Lysell isn't a Swiss army knife in terms of D or PK unit, I'm good.

He's fast. He's got good instincts. He's good.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

He has. Mougenel said it himself.


He’s not a better player than Lysell. Brown is not a good all around player. We’ve seen it.

Based on what?

In the AHL this year they are both +10 though Brown has done it in 19 games, Lysell in 44.

You can't say Lysell is a better player at this point as he hasn't played a game at the NHL level.

I would certainly hope Lysell will be a better player than Brown in the future.

Poitras made the jump right from junior hockey as a 19yr old. Lysell played for a stretch in the SHL before coming over, and is now in his 2nd year of pro hockey. Lysell has experience playing against men which was something Poitras didn't. At some point you need to get a look and see what you have in Lysell. He's in his 3rd season since being drafted. How long does he need to marinade in the AHL before you bring him up even just for a few games to get a look?

As long as management thinks.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Based on what?

In the AHL this year they are both +10 though Brown has done it in 19 games, Lysell in 44.

You can't say Lysell is a better player at this point as he hasn't played a game at the NHL level.

I would certainly hope Lysell will be a better player than Brown in the future.



As long as management thinks.

Why can’t I say that? Based on AHL plus minus? How about watching the players? Do you think Brandt Clarke is better than Ian Mitchell or Parker Wotherspoon right now? Because he is regardless of the fact he’s in the AHL.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Why can’t I say that? Based on AHL plus minus? How about watching the players? Do you think Brandt Clarke is better than Ian Mitchell or Parker Wotherspoon right now? Because he is regardless of the fact he’s in the AHL.

I've only seen Lysell once in Providence. Some posted here that he looked much better. I thought he stunk.

Still, there is no way to tell if Lysell is a better player at the NHL level right now.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I've only seen Lysell once in Providence. Some posted here that he looked much better. I thought he stunk.

Still, there is no way to tell if Lysell is a better player at the NHL level right now.

Sure there is. Here's another one: Lysell is better than Ryan Reaves right now. Do you disagree that I can say that?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Sure there is. Here's another one: Lysell is better than Ryan Reaves right now. Do you disagree that I can say that?

Yes.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Yes.

Macklin Celebrini is better right now than Patrick Brown too.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Macklin Celebrini is better right now than Patrick Brown too.

That's most likely true.

But there is a big difference between a player that may be the first pick in the draft and Fabian Lysell.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

That's most likely true.

But there is a big difference between a player that may be the first pick in the draft and Fabian Lysell.

Not when we’re talking about Pat Brown

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Not when we’re talking about Pat Brown

Why is that?

You could bring up Lysell right now and he could easily be a more of a detriment to the team than Brown would be.

 

[Bruin4]

 

[22Brad Park]

I agree 110%. Ullmark need to go, dont care about upsetting the room, it s buisness and they cannot pay 2 elite goalies, they need to maximise his value and it s this year they need to do that, couple of team are surching for good goaltending...Sway is the way

When Sway has a contract then it can be talked about .But until that day comes there is no way you're trading Ullmark .Who by the way has 16 team NTC.Next season 15.

Couture 10 games 1 A. He should be cheap.Nevermind he has 4 more yrs cap hit 8 million.

 

[Gee Wally]

When Sway has a contract then it can be talked about .But until that day comes there is no way you're trading Ullmark .Who by the way has 16 team NTC.Next season 15.

I agree. Sway has the hammer. But why give him a sledgehammer?
I love the kid but get him signed first.

 

[UncleRico]

this board: we need big nasty!

also this board: bring up 180 lbs Lysell pleaaaaase

We saw the time Poitras had with NHL size...

You’re right we should never call up a prospect again.

Also we should never have a blend of talent and physicality. Only the extremes of one or the other.

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

I wouldn’t mind Logan Couture. That term is not ideal.

 

[Number8]

Strange how quiet the trade deadline thread is this year compared to those in the years before. Unfortunately the insiders were pushed away by a few posters and everybody has to live with the consequences of this ...

How about if we trade the dimwit posters who chased away our insiders for our insiders.

I’d be all over that deal. Grrrrrrrrr