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Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion IX

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I don't have an issue moving DeBrusk for the right offer, but then we would need to add a winger with some offensive pop. Swapping him out for some bottom 6 plug with some grit, isn't an improvement.

One guy I'm looking closely at as a cheaper alternative, is Frankie Vatrano. He's still got a year left, and gives you good offensive production for about $350K less. He's not as good in the defensive zone as JDB, but that's a guy I'd take a run at if we moved DeBrusk in another deal. Granted, Vatrano is primarily a LW and Jake can play both sides.
 
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sarge88 said:
I will say that I don’t think the 2011 team wins the cup if they were 20% “less tough”.

I know it’s not quantifiable and they may have been a rare (or only) example of this, but I really believe it’s true.

I think, to a degree they bullied their way to the cup, particularly vs. Vancouver.
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I think I'll disagree here. They obviously were tough to play against, but it's actually Tim Thomas who was the catalyst, not bullying the other team. You can take away some of that toughness and win, but you take away Thomas are they even out of the first round?
 
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NDiesel said:
I think I'll disagree here. They obviously were tough to play against, but it's actually Tim Thomas who was the catalyst, not bullying the other team. You can take away some of that toughness and win, but you take away Thomas are they even out of the first round?
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Take Bergeron or Chara away, and it’s also probably a loss as well.

It’s always a combination of things that leads to success or failure.

I guess my point is that more than most teams, toughness seemed to be an integral part of their success.
 
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NDiesel said:
I think I'll disagree here. They obviously were tough to play against, but it's actually Tim Thomas who was the catalyst, not bullying the other team. You can take away some of that toughness and win, but you take away Thomas are they even out of the first round?
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Take away that toughness, does Vancouver give up the ghost like they did in games 6 & 7? That was as broken and beaten a team as I've ever seen, and Tim Thomas didn't need to stand on his head to beat a team the Bruins outscored 21-8.
 
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jgatie said:
Take away that toughness, does Vancouver give up the ghost like they did in games 6 & 7? That was as broken and beaten a team as I've ever seen, and Tim Thomas didn't need to stand on his head to beat a team the Bruins outscored 21-8.
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I mean thats a vague question. Losing Thorntons toughness isn't the same as losing Lucic or Charas.

But it's pretty wild to me to point out Thomas let in 8 goals in 7 games and then to say did we even need him to stand on his head....they lost 1-0 twice, this wasn't a very potent offense at times and squeaked out multiple game 7 OT wins.

To a point I think we exaggerate the toughness of that 2011 team and forget that low score, grinding defensive wins were their bread and butter.
 
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I mean thats a vague question. Losing Thorntons toughness isn't the same as losing Lucic or Charas.

But it's pretty wild to me to point out Thomas let in 8 goals in 7 games and then to say did we even need him to stand on his head....they lost 1-0 twice, this wasn't a very potent offense at times.
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Whatever. It's all opinion anyway. We see what we want to see, and I know I saw a team that tried to play a style they were not made for against a team that thrived on that style, and the team that wasn't made for it crumbled.

We may have lost 1-0 twice, but in the games we won, Thomas could have put up a 4.00 GAA and still won. That's what I mean when I say he wasn't asked to stand on his head.
 
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jgatie said:
Whatever. It's all opinion anyway. We see what we want to see, and I know I saw a team that tried to play a style they were not made for against a team that thrived on that style, and the team that wasn't made for it crumbled.

We may have lost 1-0 twice, but in the games we won, Thomas could have put up a 4.00 GAA and still won. That's what I mean when I say he wasn't asked to stand on his head.
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Well he was the conn Smythe winner for a reason, so we'll just agree to disagree here.
 
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NDiesel said:
Well he was the conn Smythe winner for a reason, so we'll just agree to disagree here.
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Never said he didn't deserve the Conn Smythe, he 100% did, he's the reason they won more than any other single player. I just think people overblow his performance in the Finals at the expense of the entire team's performance, including the outright bullying tactics they (Thomas included) levelled at the Canucks.
 
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jgatie said:
Never said he didn't deserve the Conn Smythe, he 100% did, he's the reason they won more than any other single player. I just think people overblow his performance in the Finals at the expense of the entire team's performance, including the outright bullying tactics they (Thomas included) levelled at the Canucks.
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I guess? He had lower than .940 save percentage one time in 7 games, and made 30+ saves in every game except for a 1-0 loss, pretty incredible stats against the top offense, tough for me not to credit him, the team defense and the defensive structure in that order over "bullying" them.
 
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Whatever. It's all opinion anyway. We see what we want to see, and I know I saw a team that tried to play a style they were not made for against a team that thrived on that style, and the team that wasn't made for it crumbled.

We may have lost 1-0 twice, but in the games we won, Thomas could have put up a 4.00 GAA and still won. That's what I mean when I say he wasn't asked to stand on his head.
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That's not true at all, especially in a sport that thrives so much on momentum. If Thomas lets up a couple of stinkers early in Game 4 before Peverely opens the scoring, it's a whole different game. Vancouver had several odd man chances that Thomas had to come up big on before Pevs scored.
 
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I just do not believe this roster is better with Steen/Boqvist over Beecher and Richard over Lysell. And we have the cap space to fit them if they just ltir Poitras. I do not get the logic of blocking your own top prospects with low upside vets who aren't even playing well.
 
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