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Prospect Info: 2023-24 Ducks Prospects

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tomd said:
Provide me a list of players picked outside of the top 3 since 2015 who are contributing to the team in a top six role. It's a short list. The top nine list isn't much longer. You sound like Kings fans who are blaming the development staff for picking guys like Turcotte and Byfield.
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Well. We have pretty much a new team setting up new systems.
I agree the past draft/development, especially forwards is arguable, but in many reports we have one of the top prospect groups in the league.
If we “hit” on an average rate, we are in a pretty great space going forward. And for the first time in a long time, we have Anaheim and San Diego with coaches who want to develop and work with young players.
Seems a weird argument, when our prospects look the way they do. It’s a pretty young prospect pool too that is highly considered.

tomd said:
My posts are like in finger in the dike against the flood of wildly optimistic player projections.
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Would it be wrong to recommend pulling your finger out
 
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I can't get behind the selections of Myatovic and Gaucher. Hope I'm wrong. They just don't have the qualities I want this team exploring that high in the draft. I'm not going to blame them for Perreault. There was (and still is) clear upside there that warranted a very high draft pick
 
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AngelDuck said:
I can't get behind the selections of Myatovic and Gaucher. Hope I'm wrong. They just don't have the qualities I want this team exploring that high in the draft. I'm not going to blame them for Perreault. There was (and still is) clear upside there that warranted a very high draft pick
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I think your expectations (considering where they were drafted) are off. They weren’t drafted to be top 6 scorers.
 
Deuce22 said:
I think your expectations (considering where they were drafted) are off. They weren’t drafted to be top 6 scorers.
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You don’t think that a 1st round pick should have a *chance* to be a top 6 scorer?!

Gaucher upside has always been 3rd line and there’s a very real scenario that he’s not more than fodder. That’s no bueno
 
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AngelDuck said:
You don’t think that a 1st round pick should have a *chance* to be a top 6 scorer?!

Gaucher upside has always been 3rd line and there’s a very real scenario that he’s not more than fodder. That’s no bueno
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Depends on the drafting philosophy

Maybe they saw something in Gaucher that said championship player.... more to hockey than being a top 6 scorer. Hes done nothing but win championships since the draft.

Gaucher and Myatovic both play hard and have the right mentality
 
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tomd said:
Well, that's pretty stupid as well. You can have the best development staff on the planet but if you draft the wrong players it won't make much of a difference.
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I think there are other factors. Mass injuries to the NHL team forced up Steel, Lundy, and Drysdale in more recent years. During COVID, Comtois-Lundy-Rakell was a scoring line, but we separated them to spread out the scoring when players were coming back from injury. Comtois was a top-6, but got paid and got fat to play like a top-6. Lundy looked like he was playing injured all last season. Yet, during COVID season, we were converting Lundy into a top-6 winger, but regained center position again after injuries and Steel still faltering.

Then there's injuries to the players. If Kase wasn't injury prone, then he'd still be on the team. Jones seemed to be made out of glass. That also goes for RD Andersson in the previous two seasons in the AHL, being our better or best defensive d-man.

As for Groulx, Tracey, and Perreault, they were dealt with bad luck with head coaches after replacing Dineen in Bouchard (2021-22) and Sommer (2022-23) in the AHL. Last year's AHL roster construction was terrible while Tracey and Perrault weren't put into a position to succeed playing bottom-6 roles often.

Top-10 players are the more known consistent talents. Beyond the top-10, it's a crapshoot. We're much better at predicting defensemen and goalies than forwards outside the top-10, despite drafting many different types of forwards. We got risers, fallers, big ones, small ones, and safe ones. We went a different direction under PV with late 1st round/early 2nd round picks in drafting defensive forwards who can add scoring punch in Gaucher and Myatovic. Under Murray, we swung for the fences in recent drafts in Steel, Tracey (late riser, good work ethic), and Perreault (faller, bad work ethic). Yet, in later rounds under PV, I think PV let the scouting team pick b/c it looks like swinging for the fences picks.

With the amount of talent amassing on defense and possibly goalie, PV could use those talents as trade capital for top-6 forwards. Despite not being great at drafting beyond top-10 at forwards, the Ducks are still praised for their drafting prowess. Lots of teams passed up on Zegras, but Murray made sure to snag "Zee-grahh" at 9th overall. McTavish looks like an early hit despite the mass media and fans thinking Murray was crazy picking Mac at 3rd overall.
 
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tomd said:
Hard to trade a player nobody wants.
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Sad and probably true at this point. I'm sure Verbeek is refusing to take on any retention which really limits the interest. We can only hope that team loses their starter and they are in the win-now mode. Maybe we can find a desparate team at the deadline willing to take Gibson's contract and pawn us an expiring bad contract + a decent prospect.
 
cheesymc said:
Sad and probably true at this point. I'm sure Verbeek is refusing to take on any retention which really limits the interest. We can only hope that team loses their starter and they are in the win-now mode. Maybe we can find a desparate team at the deadline willing to take Gibson's contract and pawn us an expiring bad contract + a decent prospect.
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The contract remaining term and $$ are just killers.
 
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The Pete’s play tonight at 4:00, however it seems Smith is likely to sit out due to his hand. Check back in tomorrow, Terrance, Pitre, Dionicio, Hvidston, and Port are likely to make their season debuts.
 
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OHL update:

Terrance ends his night with 0 points, -1 with 8 shots. Considering the 5-0 beating the team took it could have been worse and 8 shots represents just shy of a quarter of the teams shots.

Dionicio ends his game with 1 goal, -1, with 4 shots. His team lost 2-8, bad night for our teams in the O.
 
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duxfan1101 said:
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Dionicio's nickname is Hot Rod?

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