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Prospect Info: 2023-24 Ducks Prospects

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Considering Laaouan won the award two years in a row, I'm shocked we haven't signed him to the Gulls or something.

Madden & Co. clearly watch and value the Q.
 
The Midnight Burrito said:
Instead of splitting these hairs we should probably just accept that being the Q's defensive defenseman of the year isn't all that predictive of being an NHL defender.
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Good point. My concern for Hinds is all the other D prospects in the system. Is he going to pass Drysdale, Mintyukov, Zellweger, LaCombe, Luneau and others? Unless Verbeek trades some of these guys, the path to the lineup for Hinds seems difficult.
 
The Midnight Burrito said:
Instead of splitting these hairs we should probably just accept that being the Q's defensive defenseman of the year isn't all that predictive of being an NHL defender.
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How about the award Luneau won. It's the same league, does that one have any better of a track record for NHL success?
 
91Fedorov said:
How about the award Luneau won. It's the same league, does that one have any better of a track record for NHL success?
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Considerably better:

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Still, not a guarantee of success ofc. There ar eplenty of players every year who peak at the juniors.
 
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Deuce22 said:
Good point. My concern for Hinds is all the other D prospects in the system. Is he going to pass Drysdale, Mintyukov, Zellweger, LaCombe, Luneau and others? Unless Verbeek trades some of these guys, the path to the lineup for Hinds seems difficult.
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But it all depends on his development, right? If he hits then he brings something that none of those other guys bring. His only real stylistic competition is Warren. In that case it's more likely one of the others becomes expendable than he does. And that's if they all hit, which they won't. I don't think it makes sense to assume that all of them are above him on the depth chart just because they're guys who can put up points. Other than LaCombe none of them have shown much in the way of defensive prowess.
 
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I believe Hinds and Luneau are similar level prospects, with maybe even a slight edge to Hinds. I really like his game
 
It is a long way from signing an ELC to being an NHL player. Let us see who, amongst all of our defensive prospects, actually works out. If we have too many successes we can trade one or more of them. But that is a good problem to have.
 
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The Midnight Burrito said:
But it all depends on his development, right? If he hits then he brings something that none of those other guys bring. His only real stylistic competition is Warren. In that case it's more likely one of the others becomes expendable than he does. And that's if they all hit, which they won't. I don't think it makes sense to assume that all of them are above him on the depth chart just because they're guys who can put up points. Other than LaCombe none of them have shown much in the way of defensive prowess.
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Agree to an extent. I think it's easier for skilled D to become better defensively than for a "responsible" guy like Hinds to become better with the puck on his stick. The path for all these guys might depend on the philosophy of Cronin/Verbeek. Are they wanting Ducks to be in the mold of the Avs where the D attack and skate all over the ice? Or do they want to be more responsible/conservative and anchor the D in their own zone?
 
Deuce22 said:
Good point. My concern for Hinds is all the other D prospects in the system. Is he going to pass Drysdale, Mintyukov, Zellweger, LaCombe, Luneau and others? Unless Verbeek trades some of these guys, the path to the lineup for Hinds seems difficult.
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Hinds brings a different element than most of the aforementioned prospects. He's ahead with defensive play, with the exception of maybe LaCombe. PV's noted that Minty and Zell need to improve their defensive structure game. Also, we need PKers. We've already witnessed seeing a blueline roster mostly of OFD's being forced to play on the PK and the results sucked.

Tyson plays defense like Lindholm such that he wins puck battles and quickly passes the puck to get it out of the d-zone efficiently. Offensively, he isn't devoid of it because his offense has developed to where he was nearly a point-per-game defenseman last year.

  • Types of D-men:
    • Offensive D-men (OFD): RD Drysdale, LD Mintyukov, LD/RD Zellweger
    • 2-way D-men or transition d-men (2WD): LD/RD LaCombe, RD Luneau, RD Helleson
    • Defensive D-men (DFD): LD/RD Hinds, RD Warren, and RD Moore

  • Naturally LD (where they'll playing this season):
    • Minty (AHL)
    • LaCombe (NHL/AHL)
    • Zellweger (AHL)
    • Hinds (AHL)

  • RD (where they'll be playing this season):
    • Drysdale (NHL)
    • Luneau (QMJHL)
    • Helleson (AHL)
    • Moore (NCAA)
    • Warren (QMJHL)

  • 6'3 or taller D-men
    • RD Warren at 6'5
    • LD/RD Hinds at 6'3
    • RD Helleson at 6'3

Left-hand shooting Hinds has been playing RD in the Q for several years now. I think his best bet to stay with the Ducks long term is to develop him at RD. Helleson is the only RD prospect in the AHL and he doesn't move the needle for me, offensively or defensively. Luneau, Warren, and Moore are a year away from going pro. There's also a possibility Moore could stay another year in college; capfriendly's reserve list has his signing date expire on Aug 15, 2025. That versatility of playing either side makes him a little more valuable.

Going into this season, I think LD talent is weak at the NHL level between White, Hagg, and Vaaks for the 3LD spot.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
Hinds brings a different element than most of the aforementioned prospects. He's ahead with defensive play, with the exception of maybe LaCombe. PV's noted that Minty and Zell need to improve their defensive structure game. Also, we need PKers. We've already witnessed seeing a blueline roster mostly of OFD's being forced to play on the PK and the results sucked.

Tyson plays defense like Lindholm such that he wins puck battles and quickly passes the puck to get it out of the d-zone efficiently. Offensively, he isn't devoid of it because his offense has developed to where he was nearly a point-per-game defenseman last year.

  • Types of D-men:
    • Offensive D-men (OFD): RD Drysdale, LD Mintyukov, LD/RD Zellweger
    • 2-way D-men or transition d-men (2WD): LD/RD LaCombe, RD Luneau, RD Helleson
    • Defensive D-men (DFD): LD/RD Hinds, RD Warren, and RD Moore

  • Naturally LD (where they'll playing this season):
    • Minty (AHL)
    • LaCombe (NHL/AHL)
    • Zellweger (AHL)
    • Hinds (AHL)

  • RD (where they'll be playing this season):
    • Drysdale (NHL)
    • Luneau (QMJHL)
    • Helleson (AHL)
    • Moore (NCAA)
    • Warren (QMJHL)

  • 6'3 or taller D-men
    • RD Warren at 6'5
    • LD/RD Hinds at 6'3
    • RD Helleson at 6'3

Left-hand shooting Hinds has been playing RD in the Q for several years now. I think his best bet to stay with the Ducks long term is to develop him at RD. Helleson is the only RD prospect in the AHL and he doesn't move the needle for me, offensively or defensively. Luneau, Warren, and Moore are a year away from going pro. There's also a possibility Moore could stay another year in college; capfriendly's reserve list has his signing date expire on Aug 15, 2025. That versatility of playing either side makes him a little more valuable.

Going into this season, I think LD talent is weak at the NHL level between White, Hagg, and Vaaks for the 3LD spot.
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Like Hinds, just think there are guys with more in the toolbox ahead of him. The idea of playing him on the right side is interesting. Still would have to compete with Drysdale, Luneau, Moore, and Helleson there. I need to see a healthy year from Warren before I'd move him into that range. A future right side of Drysdale/Luneau/Hinds would be interesting. I really like Moore though, and wouldn't count him out.
 
Deuce22 said:
Like Hinds, just think there are guys with more in the toolbox ahead of him. The idea of playing him on the right side is interesting. Still would have to compete with Drysdale, Luneau, Moore, and Helleson there. I need to see a healthy year from Warren before I'd move him into that range. A future right side of Drysdale/Luneau/Hinds would be interesting. I really like Moore though, and wouldn't count him out.
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Looking at our prospect listing at RD, Moore may want to go somewhere else like Thrun.
 
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Not scoring a ton doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have good skill. Sometimes you are just more risk adverse, like Lindhopm. Vice verse as well. Sometimes high scoring d are actually taking on way too much risk trying to score and that won’t be allowed in the nhl. Point being, I think we just have to wait and see how these guys translate at the next level.
 
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Trojans86 said:
Not scoring a ton doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have good skill. Sometimes you are just more risk adverse, like Lindhopm. Vice verse as well. Sometimes high scoring d are actually taking on way too much risk trying to score and that won’t be allowed in the nhl. Point being, I think we just have to wait and see how these guys translate at the next level.
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It's all going to depend on what style Cronin/Verbeek want to play. "Responsible" D are fine, especially on the PK. But the best teams have D that move the puck out of the zone and threaten the opponent in theirs. The best defense in hockey in possessing the puck in the offensive zone.
 
Here is a list of where our prospects will be playing this season:

Western Hockey League
C Connor Hvidston - Swift Current Broncos
W Yegor Sidorov - Saskatoon Blades
RHD Vojtech Port - Edmonton Oil Kings
W Nico Myatovic - Seattle Thunderbirds

Ontario Hockey League
LHD Konnor Smith - Peterborough Petes
LHD Rodwin Dionicio - Windsor Spitfires
W Coulson Pitre - Flint Firebirds
C Carey Terrance - Erie Otters

Quebec Major Junior Hockey League
RHD Tristan Luneau - Gatineau Olympiques
RHD Noah Warren - Victoriaville Tigres

NCAA
W Michael Callow - Harvard
W Sam Colangelo - Western Michigan
RHD Will Francis - Minnesota Duluth *out indefinitely*
W Kyle Kukkonen - Michigan Tech
RHD Ian Moore - Harvard
W Jack Perbix - Northern Michigan

Europe
G Vyacheslav Buteyets - Chelmet Chelyabinsk (VHL)
G Damian Clara - Brynas (Allsvenskan)
W Artyom Galimov - Ak Bars Kazan (KHL) *injured*
C Albin Sundsvik - Rogle (SHL)

Professional NA Hockey (Anaheim/San Diego/Tulsa)
W Nikita Nesterenko
C Nathan Gaucher
W Blake McLaughlin
C Josh Lopina
C BO Groulx
W Jacob Perreault
W Brayden Tracey
W Pavol Regenda
W Jaxsen Wiebe
W Judd Caufield
W Sasha Pastujov
RHD Drew Helleson
LHD Jackson LaCombe
LHD Olen Zellweger
LHD Pavel Mintyukov
LHD Tyson Hinds
G Lukas Dostal
G Calle Clang
G Gage Alexander

Unknown
C Leo Carlsson - Could play in NHL, AHL, or SHL
C Ben King - Too old for CHL, but has not signed contract with Ducks or Gulls
 
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Mitchkov has played like 6 mins total in his first 5 or 6 games this season. Scratched in all but one game. That's not that much of a playing time for someone who (according to some) is way better than Leo
 
Kalv said:
Mitchkov has played like 6 mins total in his first 5 or 6 games this season. Scratched in all but one game. That's not that much of a playing time for someone who (according to some) is way better than Leo
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Is the KHL trying to send a message to young players who want to make it over to NA, or is he just in the coaching staffs doghouse? Unfortunate that the former circumstance isn’t even that hard to believe.
 
Kalv said:
Mitchkov has played like 6 mins total in his first 5 or 6 games this season. Scratched in all but one game. That's not that much of a playing time for someone who (according to some) is way better than Leo
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KHL teams unfortunately do this with every rookie, especially SKA and CSKA.
 
ScarTroy said:
Is the KHL trying to send a message to young players who want to make it over to NA, or is he just in the coaching staffs doghouse? Unfortunate that the former circumstance isn’t even that hard to believe.
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It was the same last year so not sure. I'm sure he will be loaned or something. But not a good look either way. With all the offensive potential, he did have some red flags before the draft

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KHL teams unfortunately do this with every rookie, especially SKA and CSKA.
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Sure. This was ore like a shot to his fanboys which were denoting Leo. Wjatever the rean, their prince is not off to a great start
 
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ScarTroy said:
Is the KHL trying to send a message to young players who want to make it over to NA, or is he just in the coaching staffs doghouse? Unfortunate that the former circumstance isn’t even that hard to believe.
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Kalv said:
It was the same last year so not sure. I'm sure he will be loaned or something. But not a good look either way. With all the offensive potential, he did have some red flags before the draft
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Last year, Michkov was benched early in the season with SKA. Eventually, he went to the SKA VHL team. He was loaned to KHL team Sochi, the worst team in the KHL afterwards. Sochi is the farm team for SKA, but in the KHL. Sochi is lacking talent and Michkov went ham with Sochi.

There's a lot of game play and nuances that Michkov isn't applying with SKA, but got away with bad habits with Sochi last year. It appears Michkov still is struggling to improve his game with a more talented SKA team, or there is a bias against him.

On a tangent of Michkov's benching, the KHL has prevented goalie Ivan Fedotov from joining the NHL's Flyers for the past season and continuing this season, despite signing a contract with the Flyers on May 7, 2022. The IIHF says CSKA Moscow violated sanctions.
 
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