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Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

TheBeard said:
Granlund isn't remotely in the same Stratosphere as JT Miller and Rants.
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Nope, but the contenders in need of 2Cs still need them. Rantanen's played a little C, but more importantly he can drive offense like a top C. The Miller, Petterson, Rantanen dominos were always going to fall first.

With Miller traded and Petterson likely staying in Vancouver, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Toronto, Colorado, and maybe NJ or WSH will target Granlund. The other top centers are Nelson (2C), Gourde (3C and injured), Bjugstad (3C). Vegas and TBL may also be interested though as a winger.

Hopefully the Islanders can make a run and reduce the pool further.
 
matt trick said:
Nope, but the contenders in need of 2Cs still need them. Rantanen's played a little C, but more importantly he can drive offense like a top C. The Miller, Petterson, Rantanen dominos were always going to fall first.

With Miller traded and Petterson likely staying in Vancouver, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Toronto, Colorado, and maybe NJ or WSH will target Granlund. The other top centers are Nelson (2C), Gourde (3C and injured), Bjugstad (3C). Vegas and TBL may also be interested though as a winger.

Hopefully the Islanders can make a run and reduce the pool further.
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Keep in mind that the longer Grier waits the more teams change from buyers to sellers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Malkin on the move. Or Ryan O'Reilly. Or Backlund in Calgary if they start to fall.
 
10 games until the deadline, 7 games after 4 nations, 3 before. I'd probably be pulling the trigger before the four nations. Only an extra 7 games to help Smith and Celly, and you avoid a four nations injury risk. This also allows Granny and the team to have that time to prepare for their respective year end goals.

I'd bet Granny and Nelson get firsts.
 
matt trick said:
10 games until the deadline, 7 games after 4 nations, 3 before. I'd probably be pulling the trigger before the four nations. Only an extra 7 games to help Smith and Celly, and you avoid a four nations injury risk. This also allows Granny and the team to have that time to prepare for their respective year end goals.

I'd bet Granny and Nelson get firsts.
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I mean Miller barely got more than a first so I highly doubt it.
 
TheBeard said:
I mean Miller barely got more than a first so I highly doubt it.
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You may be right. That pick will probably be 10-15 places higher than what the others return however. Much better player with term (at a reasonable price), however. SJ will probably send back a 3rd as well (either as part of the trade, or to pay someone to retain).
 
matt trick said:
You may be right. That pick will probably be 10-15 places higher than what the others return however. Much better player with term (at a reasonable price), however. SJ will probably send back a 3rd as well (either as part of the trade, or to pay someone to retain).
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The more I dissect this return for Miller, a player who is younger and just put up 100 points making only a couple million more than Granny with another year, the more I think many here are going to be woefully underwhelmed with whatever the return is.
 
TheBeard said:
The problem with Granlund is the longer Grier waits to trade him the more teams fall out of contention and thus put their own pieces up for grabs. If I'm Grier I'm being active now.
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I don't think there's going to be a lack of suitors for Granlund so long as he stays healthy.
 
TheBeard said:
The more I dissect this return for Miller, a player who is younger and just put up 100 points making only a couple million more than Granny with another year, the more I think many here are going to be woefully underwhelmed with whatever the return is.
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32 year old signed at $8M for 5 years after this with locker room strife isn’t an appetizing asset, especially mid season. Add in a full NMC and the return was never going to be elite.

Granlund will fetch a 1st or a pair of 2nds and a prospect at worst.
 
We shouldn't underestimate the effect of Miller's NTC. Much like the Burns return was underwhelming in the eyes of some, it definitely affects the trade value.
 
Star Platinum said:
I don't think there's going to be a lack of suitors for Granlund so long as he stays healthy.
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Particularly with another center option being a massive question mark. Nelson is going to Minnesota or staying put in Long Island. Granlund is likely the best center on the market with Dallas, NJD, Winnipeg, and others needing a center in a big way. Going to be a sellers market with the east as tight as it is this year.
 
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Vancouver made out like bandits in the JT Miller trade. On paper the trade helps nobody but the Rangers are trending way down and the lottery protection on that pick could land Vancouver an even better pick in 2026.
 
TheBeard said:
If I'm Grier I'm being active now.
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Yep I honestly think Grier should be super active shopping Granlund and take the best deal he can get before the 4 Nations. I would rather not risk an injury happening to Granlund at the 4 Nations as he honestly doesn't even look 100% for the past 1-2 months.
 
STL Shark said:
32 year old signed at $8M for 5 years after this with locker room strife isn’t an appetizing asset, especially mid season. Add in a full NMC and the return was never going to be elite.

Granlund will fetch a 1st or a pair of 2nds and a prospect at worst.
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My bad. I thought he only had one more year left after this.

I also doubt Granlund gets the same as Pitts gave up. I just don't see it.

vortexy said:
Yep I honestly think Grier should be super active shopping Granlund and take the best deal he can get before the 4 Nations. I would rather not risk an injury happening to Granlund at the 4 Nations as he honestly doesn't even look 100% for the past 1-2 months.
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I'm not overly worried about the injury angle, but GMs will definitely be spending that time figuring out how to make their teams better and I'm not 100% any GM will trade someone currently playing in that tournament.
 
Bizz said:
Vancouver made out like bandits in the JT Miller trade. On paper the trade helps nobody but the Rangers are trending way down and the lottery protection on that pick could land Vancouver an even better pick in 2026.
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I would be shocked if NY doesn't make a huge push. The trade will ultimately be a late first, and Chytil, who's one nudge away from never playing again. I get it had to happen, but if I'm a Vancouver fan I'm not thrilled with the return.
 
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Particularly with another center option being a massive question mark. Nelson is going to Minnesota or staying put in Long Island. Granlund is likely the best center on the market with Dallas, NJD, Winnipeg, and others needing a center in a big way. Going to be a sellers market with the east as tight as it is this year.
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Realistically, I don't know if Gourde has too much impact on the market for Granlund. Gourde is on pace for 30 points but is seen as a playoff type of guy. Granlund is on pace for 70 points but isn't seen as a playoff player.

The two teams I think make the most sense for Granlund are Winnipeg and NJ.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Realistically, I don't know if Gourde has too much impact on the market for Granlund. Gourde is on pace for 30 points but is seen as a playoff type of guy. Granlund is on pace for 70 points but isn't seen as a playoff player.

The two teams I think make the most sense for Granlund are Winnipeg and NJ.
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Winnipeg and NJ's 1sts would be late 20's too, that seems possible right? A guy like Ivan Ryabkin could fall there and that would be amazing haha
 
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