Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Sharkz4Fun]

Meier has 18 points this season. Zetterlund has 21. By no means saying that he is better than Meier, but you need to admit to yourself that Grier did well with the Meier trade. Trying to sell it as “not terrible” is as bad as when you overheated trying to convince the board that Okhoktiuk was a primary piece.

Lol, you have me mixed with someone else, unless you are trying to insinuate he was not a "piece" (meaning not a throw in, which he clearly was not granted how he played before Mukh even while being injured before) but I'll say I got a chuckle out of even reading that. That hilarious ignorant accusation aside, I'll pretend you aren't quoting point totals as a means to show who's "not better".

If the Sharks were a "good" hockey team, it would be ludicrous to not take Meier over Zetterlund, Mukh, Musty, etc etc and it's extremely odd that any Sharks fan would say otherwise. I'd say me saying Grier didn't do bad is quite a compliment.

 

[Gecklund]

Lol, you have me mixed with someone else, unless you are trying to insinuate he was not a "piece" (meaning not a throw in, which he clearly was not granted how he played before Mukh even while being injured before) but I'll say I got a chuckle out of even reading that. That hilarious ignorant accusation aside, I'll pretend you aren't quoting point totals as a means to show who's "not better".

Kind of disingenuous claiming that Okhotiuk playing before Mukhamadullin means anything. Okhotiuk has been in NA since 20-21 season and is 23. Last season was Mukhamadullin’s first season in NA and he played 12 games and is 22.

 

[Mattb124]

Lol, you have me mixed with someone else, unless you are trying to insinuate he was not a "piece" (meaning not a throw in, which he clearly was not granted how he played before Mukh even while being injured before) but I'll say I got a chuckle out of even reading that. That hilarious ignorant accusation aside, I'll pretend you aren't quoting point totals as a means to show who's "not better".

If the Sharks were a "good" hockey team, it would be ludicrous to not take Meier over Zetterlund, Mukh, Musty, etc etc and it's extremely odd that any Sharks fan would say otherwise. I'd say me saying Grier didn't do bad is quite a compliment.

Reading back, I quoted the wrong poster poster re: Okhotiuk.

The point stands that valuing the trade as “not terrible” is IMO grossly understating the value Grier got for Meier. He sold high and got a number of good pieces (2 roster players, blue chip prospect, B prospect, first round pick and a conditional 2nd) back for an expiring contract and odds and ends.

 

[Gecklund]

Could be nothing because Sharks play CGY on the 15th but I’d like to figure it means something. My hope is they’re looking at Geekie or Frederic as a cap dump in a Granlund trade.

 

[OrrNumber4]

If the Sharks were a "good" hockey team, it would be ludicrous to not take Meier over Zetterlund, Mukh, Musty, etc etc and it's extremely odd that any Sharks fan would say otherwise. I'd say me saying Grier didn't do bad is quite a compliment.

I'll double down rebutting this point: at his contract, Timo Meier will almost always not be an acquisition a contending team should make. He costs too much for too long and contributes too little.

 

[Shark Finn]

NJ adding Meier and giving him that contract was unnecessary, but I'm not complaining on SJ's side.

 

[tiburon12]

I'll double down rebutting this point: at his contract, Timo Meier will almost always not be an acquisition a contending team should make. He costs too much for too long and contributes too little.

I wonder what Timo's deal would have been if he didnt have the 10M QO hammer to drop

 

[one2gamble]

NJ adding Meier and giving him that contract was unnecessary, but I'm not complaining on SJ's side.

I think its a trade they should have made, Im not sure they should have signed him. Reminds me a bit of our Karl trade. Sometimes you have to make a bit of a splash to try to make a run, sometimes it doesnt work out and you need to know to walk away.

 

[STL Shark]

Thinks the Sharks would need to retain on Hoffman and Duclair, or take back bad contract.

Prefer to take on the bad contract. More value and limitations on retention slots make that tough.

Plus, if we are able to move Ferraro and Hertl for nice hauls by this offseason, we will have an abundance of cap space and a need for players to fill out the roster while the youngsters still develop with the Cuda.

 

[STL Shark]

I think its a trade they should have made, Im not sure they should have signed him. Reminds me a bit of our Karl trade. Sometimes you have to make a bit of a splash to try to make a run, sometimes it doesnt work out and you need to know to walk away.

If you're going that way of thinking though, you have to acquire a guy and let him get through training camp and get his feet wet. Acquiring a guy like Meier at the TDL and then expecting him to mesh immediately and then cut bait in 2.5 months is a bad way of doing business.

Issue is that there is a path between not re-signing and signing for 8 years that doesn't seem to be explored anymore. If I were running the league, I would remove the max term on contracts and allow teams more creativity as it relates to contract term. With there being a max, the player is always going to ask for the max when they near UFA age and most likely get it. In reality, only the truly elite should get max term deals, but good players are getting them when they'd likely sign for 5 years on the open market without a "max term" out there that agents govern towards.

 

[Gecklund]

Prefer to take on the bad contract. More value and limitations on retention slots make that tough.

Plus, if we are able to move Ferraro and Hertl for nice hauls by this offseason, we will have an abundance of cap space and a need for players to fill out the roster while the youngsters still develop with the Cuda.

Our forwards are also pretty barren next year.

Only forwards signed next year that are on the roster now:
Hertl, Couture, Sturm, Granlund, Eklund, Zetterlund

RFAs:
Kunin, Zadina

 

[Cas]

I don't think Hoffman or Duclair have much value - maybe none at all (Hoffman). I think we should be resigned to being stuck with them and simply celebrate if we get anything at all for them.

 

[Shark Finn]

I don't think Hoffman or Duclair have much value - maybe none at all (Hoffman). I think we should be resigned to being stuck with them and simply celebrate if we get anything at all for them.

Yeah, retaining on those.. bums seems very odd.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Our forwards are also pretty barren next year.

Only forwards signed next year that are on the roster now:
Hertl, Couture, Sturm, Granlund, Eklund, Zetterlund

RFAs:
Kunin, Zadina

They at least have four guys that can go right down the line at center with Hertl, Couture, Granlund, and Sturm. If Smith is ready to sign, bring him in. I think Musty ought to have a spot that's his to lose. If they luck into Celebrini, he'll be brought in. I'd like to think that Gushchin should be on the NHL roster next season if he's not traded. Possibly the same for Bordeleau though I think Gushchin has shown himself to be worthy with his season thus far. I also have hope that Bystedt can come over and step into an NHL role immediately too but there's some reasonable arguments for starting him in the AHL too. I'd look to re-sign Bailey and Carpenter for 4th line roles and extra bodies.

 

[Gecklund]

They at least have four guys that can go right down the line at center with Hertl, Couture, Granlund, and Sturm. If Smith is ready to sign, bring him in. I think Musty ought to have a spot that's his to lose. If they luck into Celebrini, he'll be brought in. I'd like to think that Gushchin should be on the NHL roster next season if he's not traded. Possibly the same for Bordeleau though I think Gushchin has shown himself to be worthy with his season thus far. I also have hope that Bystedt can come over and step into an NHL role immediately too but there's some reasonable arguments for starting him in the AHL too. I'd look to re-sign Bailey and Carpenter for 4th line roles and extra bodies.

Yes there are young guys that can come up but still there’s 6 players signed for next season that are on the roster today. If someone offers us a pick or prospect for a cap dump at forward, I’d probably take it is more my point.

Let’s say Colorado comes in and says hey we will give you a 1st for Kahkonen if you take Johansen too. I do that easily.

Or Carolina says we will give you a 2nd for Duclair if you take Teravainen (whose numbers look good on paper but he scored all of that in the first month)

Or STL with Hayes or Vrana.

Just a couple forwards that have been talked about as cap dumps.

 

[TheBeard]

Let’s say Colorado comes in and says hey we will give you a 1st for Kahkonen if you take Johansen too. I do that easily.

Or Carolina says we will give you a 2nd for Duclair if you take Teravainen (whose numbers look good on paper but he scored all of that in the first month)

I do both of those in a heartbeat.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yes there are young guys that can come up but still there’s 6 players signed for next season that are on the roster today. If someone offers us a pick or prospect for a cap dump at forward, I’d probably take it is more my point.

Let’s say Colorado comes in and says hey we will give you a 1st for Kahkonen if you take Johansen too. I do that easily.

Or Carolina says we will give you a 2nd for Duclair if you take Teravainen (whose numbers look good on paper but he scored all of that in the first month)

Or STL with Hayes or Vrana.

Just a couple forwards that have been talked about as cap dumps.

Yeah, there's room to do that. I just wouldn't want to do that at the expense of a kid establishing themselves in the lineup is all. If Gushchin is given a post-deadline opportunity and produces even at a 3rd line level, I would prefer to keep him up rather than trying to get value out of a cap dump we acquired like we've been doing with Hoffman. I think there's room for both this offseason but most of the focus should be on developing our younger players.

 

[Gecklund]

Yeah, there's room to do that. I just wouldn't want to do that at the expense of a kid establishing themselves in the lineup is all. If Gushchin is given a post-deadline opportunity and produces even at a 3rd line level, I would prefer to keep him up rather than trying to get value out of a cap dump we acquired like we've been doing with Hoffman. I think there's room for both this offseason but most of the focus should be on developing our younger players.

I think we have room for both though is sort of my point. The only guys that I could see making the jump to the NHL is Gushchin and Bordeleau with a very outside chance of Musty.

With the players that are signed:

Eklund-Hertl-Zetterlund
Couture-Granlund-xxx
xxx-Sturm-xxx
xxx-xxx-xxx

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think we have room for both though is sort of my point. The only guys that I could see making the jump to the NHL is Gushchin and Bordeleau with a very outside chance of Musty.

With the players that are signed:

Eklund-Hertl-Zetterlund
Couture-Granlund-xxx
xxx-Sturm-xxx
xxx-xxx-xxx

Probably. It's long odds to expect more than a couple guys making the jump next season but I'd keep a spot open for Musty. I don't think he stands to gain anything going back to juniors next year and we can't send him to the AHL. I also wonder what the long term plans for Eklund are because if we want him to play center, I'd probably do that next season. If Gushchin makes good on any potential post-deadline opportunities, they need a spot for him as well. Bordeleau doesn't seem all that likely. Smith is obviously dependent on signing him but if he is, they're throwing him in right away. Same for if they luck out and get Celebrini. Bystedt is another to watch out for but I think him coming over has him starting in the AHL. I don't think Bordeleau is in our organization by the time next season starts.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

MG will have close to 30m in fun money after the essential contracts are signed to work with in the offseason. Don't remember the last time a Sharks GM had anywhere close to that. Whatever the moves are, I hope he has learned to use that for contract dumps + picks/players in the offseason and not the Mantha/Roslovic contract that seems to loom. No more mid round pick gamble trades anymore either. Either take assets or go for someone big.

 

[Hobocop]

Probably. It's long odds to expect more than a couple guys making the jump next season but I'd keep a spot open for Musty. I don't think he stands to gain anything going back to juniors next year and we can't send him to the AHL. I also wonder what the long term plans for Eklund are because if we want him to play center, I'd probably do that next season. If Gushchin makes good on any potential post-deadline opportunities, they need a spot for him as well. Bordeleau doesn't seem all that likely. Smith is obviously dependent on signing him but if he is, they're throwing him in right away. Same for if they luck out and get Celebrini. Bystedt is another to watch out for but I think him coming over has him starting in the AHL. I don't think Bordeleau is in our organization by the time next season starts.

I'm 50-50 on what we do with Bordeleau. He doesn't seem like he's progressing any further, but it also wouldn't really hurt anything to just give him another year and see what he can do on the Sharks. Not like he's going to be expensive.

Overall, though, he's starting to feel a bit like the second coming of Danny O'Regan to me.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

If Smith signs, I think the rookies that are fighting for top-9 roles next year are Smith, Musty, Guschin and Bordeleau as a long shot. None of those guys should/can be effective on the 4th line. Considering we're likely to add someone else via trade, sign, or even draft (Celebrini?) then there's realistically maybe 2 spots for them to fight for.

Any other prospect/barrracuda guy can fight for a 4th line spot.

Muhkamadulin is the only defensemen we should see graduate.

 

[Hodge]

I'm 50-50 on what we do with Bordeleau. He doesn't seem like he's progressing any further, but it also wouldn't really hurt anything to just give him another year and see what he can do on the Sharks. Not like he's going to be expensive.

Overall, though, he's starting to feel a bit like the second coming of Danny O'Regan to me.

I remember being called a troll for comparing Bordeleau, Wiesblatt and Kniazev to O'Regan, Gregor and Abeltshauser respectively about 2 and a half years ago. Turns out I was too optimistic.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[landshark]

I remember being called a troll for comparing Bordeleau, Wiesblatt and Kniazev to O'Regan, Gregor and Abeltshauser respectively about 2 and a half years ago. Turns out I was too optimistic.

Good times! Digging up bones...

Prospect Info: - San Jose Sharks #6 Prospect

1. William Eklund 99.99% 1b. Gannon Laroque (per TheBeard) 2. Thomas Bordeleau 90.5% 3. Ozzy Wiesblatt 46.5% 4. Ryan Merkley 66.7% 5. Jonathan Dahlen 44%

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