Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[TheBeard]

Yeah me too. We’d be stuck with the nostalgia guys like Ferraro, Timo, Nieto, Bonino, etc

How we all forget that we’d have moved him for a pack of gum last season.

I feel like most of us were advocating for Timo to go and frankly Bonino and Nieto wouldn’t be any worse than Zadina or Carpneter.

 

[Barrie22]

I feel like most of us were advocating for Timo to go and frankly Bonino and Nieto wouldn’t be any worse than Zadina or Carpneter.

I for sure was happy with the Zadina pick up, but my god did he quickly show he does not belong in the NHL quickly.

 

[TheBeard]

I for sure was happy with the Zadina pick up, but my god did he quickly show he does not belong in the NHL quickly.

I was excited as well. I’m like, “what’s the worst that could happen?” Well, we certainly found out.

 

[Sendhelplease]

I for sure was happy with the Zadina pick up, but my god did he quickly show he does not belong in the NHL quickly.

He was a smart low risk move with a high reward if it pans out. It did not pan out but it was the right move to acquire him when they did knowing what they did. It was good process with a bad outcome. I can't complain about that.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

We can get anyone to be a leader and suck as the Sturm signing shows lol

If we can get a 2nd round pick or more for Ferraro, I’d take it. Ferraro is very easy to replace.

 

[tiburon12]

Well the stats don’t disagree with me. His advanced stats say we should take a 7th for him.

This season he’s been a bit better but his stats still say we should take whatever it is we can get for him.

I don't like the hyperbole here because it takes away from having a real discussion about a player. Ferraro is not "horrible", and even suggesting as much indicates that you haven't put much thought into his value beyond stat watching. Regardless of whether you think he's "horrible" or not (he isn't), he is undoubtedly valued in the room and around the league, which @Sharksrule04 correctly pointed out.

We absolutely should not take whatever we should get for him, because not only is that bad asset management in general, it's the wrong way to view the asset. His value is obviously high, why not sell high? That's the logic I don't understand

 

[sharski]

I'm 100% on the Ferraro bandwagon

No 1st no care

 

[Sharksrule04]

Yeah me too. We’d be stuck with the nostalgia guys like Ferraro, Timo, Nieto, Bonino, etc

How we all forget that we’d have moved him for a pack of gum last season.

Haha, evidence of this? Also, nostalgia and Bonino/Nieto? What are you even talking about? Neither of those guys had what would be considered “nostalgia” around them in a way Ferraro or Meier does/did.

 

[Shark Finn]

Guys like Ferraro are also appreciated for what they bring besides their play. I'm sure that would play a part if a team acquired him. He'd bring a ton of positive energy to a contending team's locker room.

 

[Gecklund]

I don't like the hyperbole here because it takes away from having a real discussion about a player. Ferraro is not "horrible", and even suggesting as much indicates that you haven't put much thought into his value beyond stat watching. Regardless of whether you think he's "horrible" or not (he isn't), he is undoubtedly valued in the room and around the league, which @Sharksrule04 correctly pointed out.

We absolutely should not take whatever we should get for him, because not only is that bad asset management in general, it's the wrong way to view the asset. His value is obviously high, why not sell high? That's the logic I don't understand

I mean considering I said that I would take a 2nd and a 3rd for him I don’t know how that’s selling low when all of the stats say he’s not that good.

 

[Jargon]

Ferraro is young enough to grow with the team and important enough as a leader to keep in the locker room during the Dark
Times. I keep him unless we get a 1st or a promising prospect.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Not that this is an argument specifically one way or the other, but Ferraro has shown more at the same age than, say, Justin Braun. Easy to forget how young he is.

 

[DG93]

Not that this is an argument specifically one way or the other, but Ferraro has shown more at the same age than, say, Justin Braun. Easy to forget how young he is.

And that's with Ferraro playing in a role he doesn't belong in (ie vs top lines). Maybe if he was playing vs secondary competition on a pair with Emberson, he'd be just fine. That being said, if someone offers a 1st for him, you take that and run imo

 

[Juxtaposer]

And that's with Ferraro playing in a role he doesn't belong in (ie vs top lines). Maybe if he was playing vs secondary competition on a pair with Emberson, he'd be just fine. That being said, if someone offers a 1st for him, you take that and run imo

That’s kinda how I feel. If someone offers us a late-1st for Ferraro, then I’d take it because a late-1st is a meaningful piece in our rebuild. But for a late-2nd rounder? You hope your 2nd rounders become Ferraro.

Also, it absolutely depends on the strength of the draft. I would trade Ferraro for a theoretical pick in the 50’s last draft. This draft, not a chance.

Ferraro has been over-burdened ever since his rookie season. I think there’s a real chance he’s a solid #4 on a team that doesn’t make him play 25 minutes a game against star forwards.

 

[Anomie2029]

Not that this is an argument specifically one way or the other, but Ferraro has shown more at the same age than, say, Justin Braun. Easy to forget how young he is.

My biggest issue with Ferraro is the level of his play has deteriorated and it's not looking like it will recover any time soon. If this season was better than his previous two, I'd be happy to keep him around. But the trajectory of his play isn't going in the right direction.

The longer he is kept around, the value falls IMO.

I'm sure he is a great locker room guy, but no locker room guy is worth Ferraro's contract.

 

[Juxtaposer]

My biggest issue with Ferraro is the level of his play has deteriorated and it's not looking like it will recover any time soon. If this season was better than his previous two, I'd be happy to keep him around. But the trajectory of his play isn't going in the right direction.

The longer he is kept around, the value falls IMO.

I'm sure he is a great locker room guy, but no locker room guy is worth Ferraro's contract.

I actually think he has looked a little better this season.

My point is that if we aren’t getting an asset in return for Ferraro that is meaningful to the rebuild (ie a 1st round pick or a legit defensive prospect), then I’d rather bet on Ferraro to rebound and keep his locker room presence around. He’s clearly a beloved teammate and we need all the positive vibes in the locker room that we can get.

 

[Mattb124]

Not that this is an argument specifically one way or the other, but Ferraro has shown more at the same age than, say, Justin Braun. Easy to forget how young he is.

Eye-test wise, he was playing really poorly early in the season, but seems to have eliminated most of the beer league-esque mistakes from his defensive game and has added some offensive flash. I am on board to keep him to see what other elements his game may develop.

 

[Jargon]

My biggest issue with Ferraro is the level of his play has deteriorated and it's not looking like it will recover any time soon. If this season was better than his previous two, I'd be happy to keep him around. But the trajectory of his play isn't going in the right direction.

The longer he is kept around, the value falls IMO.

I'm sure he is a great locker room guy, but no locker room guy is worth Ferraro's contract.

The last 15-20 games he’s looked way better to me. Better decision-making, better offense, a little less erratic. It just feels crazy to trade him for a 2nd rounder which, as Jux said, we’d be praying turns into a Ferraro-level player.

 

[Mattb124]

The last 15-20 games he’s looked way better to me. Better decision-making, better offense, a little less erratic. It just feels crazy to trade him for a 2nd rounder which, as Jux said, we’d be praying turns into a Ferraro-level player.

I agree and think a 2nd+ isn't worth what his potential could be based on his last 15-20 games. It is quite weird to me that his splits seem to be so variable, absolutely sucks for 20 games and then looks like a top 4 for the next.

 

[Hodge]

Yeah, Ferraro has been at an entirely different level ever since the trade rumors started up (whether coincidence or not). I think I would keep him unless someone significantly overpays. We’ll always be able to get a 2nd+ when he’s a pending UFA.

 

[timorous me]

From Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun:

There are at least 12 NHL teams, maybe more, looking to acquire a defenceman of some quality between now and next month’s NHL trade deadline. Problem is, a GM tells me, there may be only two or three top- four defencemen available, if that. “That means a lot of us won’t be getting what we want,” said the GM. The Calgary Flames are in a terrific position with Chris Tanev available and there seem to be suitors everywhere for the soon-to-be free agent.

Hmmm. Interested in what this could mean for Ferraro at the deadline.

 

[tiburon12]

I mean considering I said that I would take a 2nd and a 3rd for him I don’t know how that’s selling low when all of the stats say he’s not that good.

If you had a bunch of bananas to sell and you thought the sales prices was $1 a bunch, but then you went to the market with your bananas and found out there was a banana shortage and you could sell your bunch for $2, taking $1 would be low value. All the historical data says bananas are $1, but at the market someone is there to offer $2. Do you then accept $1?

That's the Ferraro situation. The market is saying he is more valuable than the stats show. Settling on a fair value for his stats is 100% selling low.

 

[Jargon]

If you had a bunch of bananas to sell and you thought the sales prices was $1 a bunch, but then you went to the market with your bananas and found out there was a banana shortage and you could sell your bunch for $2, taking $1 would be low value. All the historical data says bananas are $1, but at the market someone is there to offer $2. Do you then accept $1?

That's the Ferraro situation. The market is saying he is more valuable than the stats show. Settling on a fair value for his stats is 100% selling low.

I will only sell my Ferraro banana for a very high price. A trade, perhaps, for several avocados.

 

[tiburon12]

I will only sell my Ferraro banana for a very high price. A trade, perhaps, for several avocados.

You'll get grapes and like it!

 

[LadyStanley]

Thinks the Sharks would need to retain on Hoffman and Duclair, or take back bad contract.