Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[LadyStanley]

So would have to really overpay/knock more than socks off with offer

 

[Shark Finn]

So would have to really overpay/knock more than socks off with offer

Why in the world. Jeez. Probably because he has the extra year on the deal.

 

[Hodge]

Why in the world. Jeez. Probably because he has the extra year on the deal.

It's a misleading headline. They didn't say anything about Granlund being "in the future plans of the rebuild" beyond next season.

 

[Jargon]

Yeah, I think they want Granlund to be one of the guys that eases the transition for our young guys. It sounds like they expect a few guys to graduate to the NHL next season — I imagine guys like Gushchin, maybe Musty, Muhk, Bystedt, possibly? — and want a few vets still around to guide them. I’m also 100% sure that if some team really wants Granlund and offers like a late 1st, they’ll take it.

**this post brought to you by the word “guys”

 

[timorous me]

It's a misleading headline. They didn't say anything about Granlund being "in the future plans of the rebuild" beyond next season.

I think if anything it's a realistic acknowledgment that there isn't really going to be a trade market for him this year because of the contract (and how he's bombed in the past after being traded mid-season).

He's played well enough and seems to be a good dressing room guy so no need to throw him under the bus, but I don't think for a second that Grier will hesitate to deal Granlund if he's keeping up this kind of performance next season.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Posted this in the ‘other games around the league’ thread, but I realize it might be better in this thread:

David Jiricek has publicly come out as unhappy with Columbus’ handling of him (ice time, PP time, usage). If he’s so malcontent that he wants out of Columbus, how would people feel about trading Will Smith for him?

I think I’d do it, personally. Then we either draft Macklin if we win the lottery, or Sam Dickinson, who would be an excellent partner for him long-term, and then you have your set-it-and-forget-it top pairing for the next decade. But I’ve also always been high on Jiricek (had him ranked #3 in 2022).

 

[hohosaregood]

I don't think I'd do Smith. Would hope to do a quantity trade. Maybe like pens 1st+ bystedt+whatever

 

[Juxtaposer]

I don't think I'd do Smith. Would hope to do a quantity trade. Maybe like pens 1st+ bystedt+whatever

Obviously I’d prefer to deal Bystedt+ but I can’t imagine that offer would even get Columbus’ attention.

I doubt Grier would trade His Guy, but I personally think that swapping Smith for Jiricek would be a savvy move for the rebuild. I think Jiricek is going to be a true #1D, and I think that the Sharks would be a team that he’d immediately be the best RHD in the org and an obvious candidate for PP1. He’s got size, he’s got the shot, he’s got the defensive ability and physicality. I would take an 18 year old Jiricek 2nd overall this season and I would have taken him over Smith last draft. Plus, Jiricek would have Czech vets like Hertl and Ruuta to help ease him in.

You could argue that this trade would leave a hole at 1C, but I think we already have that, much as I adore Smith. We still need Celebrini/Hagens/whoever even if we have Smith.

Like I said, I doubt Grier would trade Smith given that he’s the first pick of the rebuild and Grier seems very high on him, but I think in a vacuum this would be a good move and something that would be palatable to the Jackets.

 

[Hodge]

Smith, Eklund, top-1 protected 2024 1st...there's basically nothing in this org I wouldn't trade for Jiricek.

I doubt he'll be available though. Columbus is run by morons who will be fired the second the buzzer sounds on their final game of the season if not sooner. Presumably a top priority for the new front office will be mending fences with Jiricek. He's too important to their future.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Doesn't CBJ love Smith?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Doesn't CBJ love Smith?

They did! That’s why I think this trade would be palatable for CBJ.

 

[Gecklund]

Posted this in the ‘other games around the league’ thread, but I realize it might be better in this thread:

David Jiricek has publicly come out as unhappy with Columbus’ handling of him (ice time, PP time, usage). If he’s so malcontent that he wants out of Columbus, how would people feel about trading Will Smith for him?

I think I’d do it, personally. Then we either draft Macklin if we win the lottery, or Sam Dickinson, who would be an excellent partner for him long-term, and then you have your set-it-and-forget-it top pairing for the next decade. But I’ve also always been high on Jiricek (had him ranked #3 in 2022).

I think I’d do anything except Smith and this years first. Don’t know if that would be enough.

The more likely trade that I could see is Cooley for Jiricek sadly. I don’t think we have the pieces for Jiricek.

 

[Hodge]

PIT's 1st, our 2nd, Bordeleau, Haltunnen and Kahkonen for Jiricek, Gudbranson and Merzlikins

 

[Gecklund]

PIT's 1st, our 2nd, Bordeleau, Haltunnen and Kahkonen for Jiricek, Gudbranson and Merzlikins

If we are taking on those two contracts I’d say take out our 2nd or Haltunnen. Those contracts are rough.

 

[OrrNumber4]

So, if the Sharks trade for Jiricek, they'd effectively be labeling him as the DOTF. If he hits his ceiling, will he be good enough? Will he be more of a true superstar defenseman, or "just" a #1 kind of guy?

In many ways, acquiring Dan Boyle for a relative bargain was a bad deal because it meant that the defense wasn't on a SC-contending foundation.

 

[Barrie22]

The sharks are tied with Sam Reinhart in power play goals.

 

[Gecklund]

In many ways, acquiring Dan Boyle for a relative bargain was a bad deal because it meant that the defense wasn't on a SC-contending foundation.

this is up there with the weirdest things I’ve read on HF. Sharks could have easily traded for a better D than Boyle they chose not to. That’s not boyle’s fault.

 

[OrrNumber4]

PIT's 1st, our 2nd, Bordeleau, Haltunnen and Kahkonen for Jiricek, Gudbranson and Merzlikins

Gudbranson is unlikely to waive his clause for SJ.

The only prime asset CBJ is getting back is a first rounder. Might be a hard sell...then again, look at the Karlsson trade.

 

[hohosaregood]

Seems like teams are looking for defense at the TDL. I could see a market for Rutta. I constantly forget he's on the team but his defensive metrics have been stellar and doing a little more offensively lately. Could see getting a 3rd-4th for him

 

[OrrNumber4]

this is up there with the weirdest things I’ve read on HF. Sharks could have easily traded for a better D than Boyle they chose not to. That’s not boyle’s fault.

They didn't because they thought Boyle was that guy...that, and his 6.6 cap hit.

 

[Gecklund]

They didn't because they thought Boyle was that guy...that, and his 6.6 cap hit.

But like that’s the pro scout’s fault and has no bearing on the Boyle trade.

 

[OrrNumber4]

But like that’s the pro scout’s fault and has no bearing on the Boyle trade.

Yes, but that's the same question I have WRT to Jiricek.

 

[Hangemhigh]

Thanks for the Legwand reference, I totally went down a rabbit hole because I vaguely remembered him being sort of tied to the Sharks but not really... I landed here at the bottom of rabbit hole.

TB takes Vinny Lecavalier, Nashville takes David Legwand, and then the Sharks (finished 16th overall) take Brad Stuart 3 OA.



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I'd forgotten about this whole thing.

Legward was right in the middle of it after all.

Dumbardi was such a chump.

 

[coooldude]

Dumbardi was such a chump.

I mean, he did a pretty good job in LA...

 

[tiburon12]

So, if the Sharks trade for Jiricek, they'd effectively be labeling him as the DOTF. If he hits his ceiling, will he be good enough? Will he be more of a true superstar defenseman, or "just" a #1 kind of guy?

In many ways, acquiring Dan Boyle for a relative bargain was a bad deal because it meant that the defense wasn't on a SC-contending foundation.

Wasn't Dan Boyle the de facto #1 D on a cup winning team? And then didn't he perform as a league leading D for the bulk of his time in teal, including during peak prime of that core 09-11? https://x.com/JFreshHockey/status/1423846278811856897?s=20

I'm not sure how one could draw the conclusion that cup-winning #1 D Dan Boyle was not a SC-contending foundational piece