Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

OrrNumber4

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What I like here is Dave is basically telling the players that if you play well and someone comes calling you are gonna get traded. Dude is playing 5D chess tank commander
I don't think that's the punishment you think it is.

Amazing that in October of 2022, Vlasic challenged Sheng Peng on the assertion that the Sharks might have the worst defense in the league by saying "we've got me for defense". I don't even know how to respond to that? How delusional...
 

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Seems more likely that Couture suffered a more serious injury than previously thought. When he comes back, I wonder how it's going to affect his game.
 
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What do people think Granlund will be worth at the deadline? Obviously, his play right now is 2way 1C on a steal of a contract. But, last few years have been rough, ending with him being a disaster of a deadline acquisition.

Seems like a very strange situation. Clearly, remains to be seen how he plays the rest of the year.

As a side note, at least right now, Granlund>Karlsson.
 
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Teams set rebuild expectations all the time so this isn't exactly true.
not teams with Crosby and Malkin, both of whom are highly unlikely to get dealt to another team and are lifelong players.

They'll rebuild once they retire. Until then, theyll live and die by the "all you gotta do is get in"
 
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What do people think Granlund will be worth at the deadline? Obviously, his play right now is 2way 1C on a steal of a contract. But, last few years have been rough, ending with him being a disaster of a deadline acquisition.

Seems like a very strange situation. Clearly, remains to be seen how he plays the rest of the year.

As a side note, at least right now, Granlund>Karlsson.
Well this is a teal glasses take.

Granlund’s value right now is probably about a 3rd but I’d be very surprised if he’s traded this year. With that extra year at such a high cap hit, 10 games doesn’t do anything to his value.
 

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What do people think Granlund will be worth at the deadline? Obviously, his play right now is 2way 1C on a steal of a contract. But, last few years have been rough, ending with him being a disaster of a deadline acquisition.

Seems like a very strange situation. Clearly, remains to be seen how he plays the rest of the year.

As a side note, at least right now, Granlund>Karlsson.
His play right now is a 2C on a #1 PP of a bad team. His value to a playoff team at the deadline will be for a middle six winger most likely. I don't think anyone that's competing right now would want Granlund as anything more than a 3C or a 2W. With his extra year, I don't believe his value is all that much knowing that the Sharks would be unlikely to retain on him if he was dealt now tying up all their retention slots for this and next season. Under that scenario, that's probably a 4th round pick return...maybe.
 
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I do wonder if Colorado comes kicking the tires on Granlund as they desperately need scoring depth and Ryjo isn’t the answer at 2C
Issue is Colorado is not accruing any cap space. So the $3.35M they have now is the same they'll have at the TDL because they're using LTIR on Landeskog. They also have no cap space for next year either so it's tough to see a deal come together there with their cap situation.
 
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Issue is Colorado is not accruing any cap space. So the $3.35M they have now is the same they'll have at the TDL because they're using LTIR on Landeskog. They also have no cap space for next year either so it's tough to see a deal come together there with their cap situation.
MacFarland has really done a piss poor job since taking over. Johansen, Wood and Tatar are basically a waste of $8 million.
 
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MacFarland has really done a piss poor job since taking over. Johansen, Wood and Tatar are basically a waste of $8 million.
Johansen at 4 wasn’t a bad gamble at all considering it cost them nothing. But expecting him to be a second line center was asking too much.
 

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Johansen at 4 wasn’t a bad gamble at all considering it cost them nothing. But expecting him to be a second line center was asking too much.
Johansen has been cooked for years. 4 million for 1 year might have been a justifiable gamble (IMO still much better ways to spend that cap space) but they're stuck with him for another season after this one. Nashville should have paid them a pick to take him even at 50% retention tbh.

Teams in the Avs position - no cap space or depth but enough elite talent to drag them to the playoffs - should aim to bank as much space as possible and use it to plug holes at the deadline.
 

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Johansen has been cooked for years. 4 million for 1 year might have been a justifiable gamble (IMO still much better ways to spend that cap space) but they're stuck with him for another season after this one. Nashville should have paid them a pick to take him even at 50% retention tbh.

Teams in the Avs position - no cap space or depth but enough elite talent to drag them to the playoffs - should aim to bank as much space as possible and use it to plug holes at the deadline.
Granlund for RyJo and a first. Who says no?
 
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Granlund for RyJo and a first. Who says no?
I'd take that and run. We might be able to retain another 50% and flip RyJo for a 3rd or 4th or something at the 2025 deadline too. Also RyJo doesn't appear to have any trade protection so he can't even block it.
 
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If I'm the Avs, I'm not taking that big of a bet on Granlund at the deadline. They are firmly in a cup window as long as Makar and MacKinnon are healthy. You don't try to fix your team's problems by trading for a 2C at the deadline who is super risky to just completely fumble the bag. Maybe if he's just a top 9 winger option for them, but then, no 1st.
 

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If I'm the Avs, I'm not taking that big of a bet on Granlund at the deadline. They are firmly in a cup window as long as Makar and MacKinnon are healthy. You don't try to fix your team's problems by trading for a 2C at the deadline who is super risky to just completely fumble the bag. Maybe if he's just a top 9 winger option for them, but then, no 1st.
The cost isn’t just for Granlund but also for moving RyJo and his 4 a year off the books.
 

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If I'm the Avs, I'm not taking that big of a bet on Granlund at the deadline. They are firmly in a cup window as long as Makar and MacKinnon are healthy. You don't try to fix your team's problems by trading for a 2C at the deadline who is super risky to just completely fumble the bag. Maybe if he's just a top 9 winger option for them, but then, no 1st.
No matter how well Granlund does this season, I have a feeling trading him will be hampered by not only his additional contract year, but also how poorly he did last year after being traded to the Pens. Teams might look at him and think he's bad at adjusting to new systems or situations, especially mid-season. But we'll see...it only takes one.
 

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No matter how well Granlund does this season, I have a feeling trading him will be hampered by not only his additional contract year, but also how poorly he did last year after being traded to the Pens. Teams might look at him and think he's bad at adjusting to new systems or situations, especially mid-season. But we'll see...it only takes one.
That is valid. He also was a pretty big non factor when he was traded from Minnesota to Nashville mid-season.
 

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I wonder if Jumbo and Patty will be able to convince Pavs to return next year with a promise that he will be traded to a contender at the deadline. We'll certainly have the cap space to give him 8M or whatever he wants. Eklund-Hertl-Pavelski could be sick.
 

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8 million???
We have like $37 million in cap space with nobody significant to re-sign, it doesn't really matter. Pavs is still a point per game scorer and deserves the money more than anyone else. It would be like that year DW gave Thornton $8 million because he had nothing else to spend it on.

From a business perspective it would be an instant boost to ticket sales in a year where we will likely still be a very bad team.
 

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We have like $37 million in cap space with nobody significant to re-sign, it doesn't really matter. Pavs is still a point per game scorer and deserves the money more than anyone else. It would be like that year DW gave Thornton $8 million because he had nothing else to spend it on.

From a business perspective it would be an instant boost to ticket sales in a year where we will likely still be a very bad team.
It'll also be harder to move even with max retention. 6 Million should and would be the most we can reasonably give him, which is far more than he's made the last two years.
 
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Hodge

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It'll also be harder to move even with max retention. 6 Million should and would be the most we can reasonably give him, which is far more than he's made the last two years.
Double retention exists. Teams will pay for it to get Pavs for a playoff run.

Regardless of the cost I really hope we pull it off. It would be a symbolic undoing of the disastrous latter DW era. Karlsson and Kane long gone, Pavelski back on the team - all will be right in Sharkland.
 

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We have like $37 million in cap space with nobody significant to re-sign, it doesn't really matter. Pavs is still a point per game scorer and deserves the money more than anyone else. It would be like that year DW gave Thornton $8 million because he had nothing else to spend it on.

From a business perspective it would be an instant boost to ticket sales in a year where we will likely still be a very bad team.
Pavs won’t come back to the Sharks. And I wouldn’t if I were him either. Sharks completely dishonored him.
 

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