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You would have to think that Grier would do his due diligence on how Trouba would effect the room. Plus, the Sharks are trending in the right direction, you do not want another Hoffman like player bringing down the room; you want guys that are going to buy into what the sharks are trying to do.
 
Jts4thgoal said:
You would have to think that Grier would do his due diligence on how Trouba would effect the room. Plus, the Sharks are trending in the right direction, you do not want another Hoffman like player bringing down the room; you want guys that are going to buy into what the sharks are trying to do.
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What did Hoffman do to bring down the room?
 
I wouldn't hate Trouba if he got to the Sharks on waivers. Wouldn't be upset if we didn't put in a claim out of respect. I didn't love the Goodrow situation this summer, but at least Trouba knows he's gotta waive for a team or he's on waivers.
 
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If SJ has shown any interest in Trouba, it has probably been informed to Trouba and NYR is trying to make a deal to make it as "clean" as possible before having to put him to waivers. I would believe another RD to help Rangers get a positional return and San Jose gets some cap space out of the system before the transaction. Maybe even a pick for helping the Rangers out (a la Goodrow or in good faith)

But this is all talk, there is no indication or news about this scenario. There is some buzz about CBJ being in the talks.

Edit: SJ is in the talks too. So in case there is waiver movement, he is coming to team teal.
 
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In the off-season I'd have asked for a 1st to take on Goodrow and Trouba. I was pretty disappointed when we claimed Goodrow and I'd be about as disappointed if we claimed Trouba as well. There's potentially a place for him here but at $8M for this year and next, that's just really bad money management if you're not getting an asset back.
 
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I suspect that if Trouba gets on waivers that he wouldn't get past the Sharks. If a trade can happen, getting to move at least one of Rutta or Vanecek would at least accomplish something useful for the team. Hell, I'd do Bords or Gush with both if that's what it took to get both out while bringing in Trouba. But I'm guessing that Trouba agrees to a trade to somewhere closer like Buffalo, Columbus, or Detroit before it comes to waivers.
 
JoeThorntonsRooster said:
In the off-season I'd have asked for a 1st to take on Goodrow and Trouba. I was pretty disappointed when we claimed Goodrow and I'd be about as disappointed if we claimed Trouba as well. There's potentially a place for him here but at $8M for this year and next, that's just really bad money management if you're not getting an asset back.
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I actually don't feel the way about Trouba that I did Goodrow. Goodrow is mediocre player (put kindly) signed to big money for three years and messed up Grier's otherwise sterling cap structure. Trouba is a functional RHD who is signed for 1.5 more years (at admittedly big money, but it's not prohibitive) and defensively will have suitors at the 2026 trade deadline.

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Hey: if he's on your team, he can't hit your guys.

It makes sense from the sharks' perspective, we have lots of cap room next year and with 1.5 NHL defensemen coming off the books (rutta, ceci), and vlasic likely not playing, could really use (hopefully not disgruntled) veterans next year.
 
I like how SJ has managed to help players like Granlund and Walman with the change of scenery. I think Trouba would be right in that alley with coming here back in a more important role. He is still at a good age with 1 year after this season to make an impact. I haven't followed his career closely if you don't count having him on my fantasy team last year. I just like the idea of having a physical top 4 defencemen that could possibly thrive with a more relaxed environment.
 
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I actually don't feel the way about Trouba that I did Goodrow. Goodrow is mediocre player (put kindly) signed to big money for three years and messed up Grier's otherwise sterling cap structure. Trouba is a functional RHD who is signed for 1.5 more years (at admittedly big money, but it's not prohibitive) and defensively will have suitors at the 2026 trade deadline.

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Trouba having suitors at the 2026 TDL is reasonable, especially if we retain, and I agree he’s better than Goodrow and would immediately help our defense a lot. But, relative to their salaries, I don’t think he’s much better than Goodrow at this point. Both are probably okay in a certain role that should have them paid about half of what they’re being paid. Hard to see an argument that Trouba is more than a 2nd pairing guy.
 
JoeThorntonsRooster said:
Trouba having suitors at the 2026 TDL is reasonable, especially if we retain, and I agree he’s better than Goodrow and would immediately help our defense a lot. But, relative to their salaries, I don’t think he’s much better than Goodrow at this point. Both are probably okay in a certain role that should have them paid about half of what they’re being paid. Hard to see an argument that Trouba is more than a 2nd pairing guy.
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probably true, but we're about to be #1 in cap space this offseason and we'll also have a retention slot again in the event we try to move him at some point.

I for one don't feel like Grier will be in on this because he passed on Fabbro and arguably that would have been a better long-term add to our right side, but we will see. I wouldn't mind seeing Trouba in teal.

I'm not sure how much it matters. My priority for this team remains a top 4 pick in the coming draft, and development from the youths. The fun hockey is a nice side bonus. Yesterday was brutal but not totally unexpected.
 
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JoeThorntonsRooster said:
Trouba having suitors at the 2026 TDL is reasonable, especially if we retain, and I agree he’s better than Goodrow and would immediately help our defense a lot. But, relative to their salaries, I don’t think he’s much better than Goodrow at this point. Both are probably okay in a certain role that should have them paid about half of what they’re being paid. Hard to see an argument that Trouba is more than a 2nd pairing guy.
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Relative to salary, obviously he's a terrible contract and probably worse than Goodrow. But like you said, I think he's a decent #4 at a position we really need help at and we definitely have the cap space to eat the contract. As you said, next year we'll have a retention slot open up (Burns contract ending this summer), so I imagine we'd be able to land a 2nd for Trouba at 50% if he's even halfway decent.

While I'd like to be paid to take the Trouba contract in a vacuum, big, physical RHD who can skater adequately are always in demand, even if they have shortcomings like Trouba. In the end, I expect him to agree to a trade simply to have some degree of control over his destination, and it probably won't be here. It's an interesting discussion though.
 
This kinda reminds me of when the Lightning forced Dan Boyle to waive his NTC by threatening waivers.

Wouldn't mind him on the Sharks. I think he'd instantly be the best hitter on the team. But I'm more of a fan of the Kyle McLaren and Douglas Murray type hitters than head-hunters like Trouba.
 
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