Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[matt trick]

If Blackwood is willing to sign for 2 years $6M, I think I might sign him, unless we're offered a 1st (perhaps with SJ sending back a 3rd). Maybe St. Louis' early 2nd from Edmonton is a viable target?

Y1: Blackwood/Askarov (44/38)- 23 yr old
Y2: Askarov/Blackwood (48/34)- 24 year old; Blackwood traded for current value.
Y3: Askarov/New Vet (52/30)- 25 year old on major new contract

In y2, a 29 year old Blackwood with 300-325 games most likely has similar value to what he has now (2nd), or if he continues to be a league average starter, it may yet grow dramatically. I don't see Askarov starting starting 50 games next year in his first full NHL season, better to bring him along slowly with a quality vet. Sorokin didn't play 50 games until he was 27 (may have at 26 if not for covid), Shesterkin at 26 (again would have at 25). Saros was 27. Bob, 24. Vasi, 23. Fleury, (20!). Price, 22 (41 games at 21). Lou at 22 (38 at 21).

Askarov already has a $2Mx2 NHL deal in his pocket, and by Y1 of his next contract he's proven he can be the first option, and been well compensated for it. Blackwood gets moved once Askarov gets his big extension.

Of course, if Blackwood wants (and finds) a 4-6 year $4-5M deal instead, I wouldn't blame him a bit. I might even go three years on Blackwood with Y2 being a split, and Y3 you extend Askarov and have Blackwood back him up (or move him on). Askarov's already opted out of one veteran goalie situation, but Blackwood isn't Saros, and his next 2 years will be in the NHL and the contract is done.

 

[TheBeard]

Also true, but that goes both ways. Trading for a known quantity can backfire as well. Even if a prospect stagnates, they will still hold some value based on performance and draft pedigree. And we can package them with picks we expect to be in the middle or back end of each round.

They do, but look at, for example, Kirby Dach. Top 3 pick, traded for I believe 13th, and now it seems even at 23 he's pretty much a goner for bargain value. I trust the FO to be able to recognize if one of our own has plateaued before it becomes league knowledge.

 

[OrrNumber4]

The Sharks have committed to Askarov as the GOTF until proven otherwise. I can't see how Blackwood fits those plans. Maybe on a one-year-deal, since you have to imagine that his goal is to be a starter every year.

Spicy question: if Adam Fox becomes available, what would you be willing to give up?

 

[TheBeard]

If Blackwood is willing to sign for 2 years $6M, I think I might sign him, unless we're offered a 1st (perhaps with SJ sending back a 3rd). Maybe St. Louis' early 2nd from Edmonton is a viable target?

Y1: Blackwood/Askarov (44/38)- 23 yr old
Y2: Askarov/Blackwood (48/34)- 24 year old; Blackwood traded for current value.
Y3: Askarov/New Vet (52/30)- 25 year old on major new contract

In y2, a 29 year old Blackwood with 300-325 games most likely has similar value to what he has now (2nd), or if he continues to be a league average starter, it may yet grow dramatically. I don't see Askarov starting starting 50 games next year in his first full NHL season, better to bring him along slowly with a quality vet. Sorokin didn't play 50 games until he was 27 (may have at 26 if not for covid), Shesterkin at 26 (again would have at 25). Saros was 27. Bob, 24. Vasi, 23. Fleury, (20!). Price, 22 (41 games at 21). Lou at 22 (38 at 21).

Askarov already has a $2Mx2 NHL deal in his pocket, and by Y1 of his next contract he's proven he can be the first option, and been well compensated for it. Blackwood gets moved once Askarov gets his big extension.

Of course, if Blackwood wants (and finds) a 4-6 year $4-5M deal instead, I wouldn't blame him a bit. I might even go three years on Blackwood with Y2 being a split, and Y3 you extend Askarov and have Blackwood back him up (or move him on). Askarov's already opted out of one veteran goalie situation, but Blackwood isn't Saros, and his next 2 years will be in the NHL and the contract is done.

I wouldn't blame Blackwood one bit if he wanted to move on. For him I don't see the reason to stick around and be the whipping boy in nets during the rough years knowing that he's only keeping the seat warm for a legit starter when things become really rosy.

 

[Star Platinum]

That may happen, but it won't affect Dickinson - as a pro with a signed contract, he can never play NCAA sports. It's NHL or OHL for him next year, no other choices.

I'm thinking that of two imperfect options for next year, putting him on a third pairing with a very defensively responsible RHD is the better option. He needs to be pushed on developing the defensive side of his game to a greater degree and the OHL just isn't going to give him that. If he ends up somewhat overwhelmed after a year, he can go down to the AHL. And realistically, we aren't contending for a playoff spot next year anyway so who cares if he doesn't excel in that role.

With Musty, it was different because he wasn't going to be enough of a scorer at the NHL level to stick on a second scoring line and putting him on a third line is forcing him into a role he's not suited for. Stinks that he's injured right now, but he can work on polishing those rough edges in the AHL next year.

 

[Cas]

I'm thinking that of two imperfect options for next year, putting him on a third pairing with a very defensively responsible RHD is the better option. He needs to be pushed on developing the defensive side of his game to a greater degree and the OHL just isn't going to give him that. If he ends up somewhat overwhelmed after a year, he can go down to the AHL. And realistically, we aren't contending for a playoff spot next year anyway so who cares if he doesn't excel in that role.

I agree with that plan for Dickinson, but again, he simply cannot play in the AHL next year. The NHL-CHL agreement forbids it (at least until London's season is completely over).

 

[Star Platinum]

I agree with that plan for Dickinson, but again, he simply cannot play in the AHL next year. The NHL-CHL agreement forbids it (at least until London's season is completely over).

If he ends up somewhat overwhelmed after a year, he can go down to the AHL.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I agree with that plan for Dickinson, but again, he simply cannot play in the AHL next year. The NHL-CHL agreement forbids it (at least until London's season is completely over).

Oh so the season has to be over in order for him to play in the AHL and then the following season it would have to be back to London or the NHL

I wouldn't blame Blackwood one bit if he wanted to move on. For him I don't see the reason to stick around and be the whipping boy in nets during the rough years knowing that he's only keeping the seat warm for a legit starter when things become really rosy.

Blackwood and Bordeleau for Scott Moore?

 

[gaucholoco3]

I'm thinking that of two imperfect options for next year, putting him on a third pairing with a very defensively responsible RHD is the better option. He needs to be pushed on developing the defensive side of his game to a greater degree and the OHL just isn't going to give him that. If he ends up somewhat overwhelmed after a year, he can go down to the AHL. And realistically, we aren't contending for a playoff spot next year anyway so who cares if he doesn't excel in that role.

I seem to remember his issue in camp was less defending and more the speed at which he executed breakouts. His stick skills and passing were not up to NHL speed. That’s why I think pairing him with Liljegren on the bottom pair would help him a lot. Liljegren can move the puck and help him with zone exits. Dickinson already has high level NHL skating and his gap control and defending should be fine in his first year.

That’s why I think getting a top 4 RD (Ekblad or Trouba) in addition to Ceci for 1-2 more years would help the Sharks other D prospects develop.

Walman - Ceci
Ferraro - Ekblad/Trouba
Dickinson - Liljegren

It’s not great but small improvement and focusing on developing Dickinson. I would love to see Muk come on strong to end the season and take Ferraro’s spot so he can be traded but I’m skeptical that will happen as of now.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Is Dale Hunter still involved with the Knights?

He owns and coaches the Knights if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Barrie22]

Oh so the season has to be over in order for him to play in the AHL and then the following season it would have to be back to London or the NHL


Blackwood and Bordeleau for Scott Moore?

Yup once londons season + playoffs are over he can come play in san jose either nhl or ahl. But considering he plays on a top 5 team in the entire chl, his season is not going to be ending until late may early june. Long long after both san jose teams are out.

 

[Hodge]

It's amusing to compare the shitshow in Chicago, built by a Doug Wilson Jr. ass millennial moron who never played the game (seriously, how did Davidson get that job?), to what Grier has constructed here on an even shorter timeline.

Wunderkind Kyle has surrounded Bedard with soft one-way offensive wingers like Hall, Teravainen, Bertuzzi, Kurashev and Donato who only make Bedard's job harder. Then almost as an afterthought he sprinkled in some token veterans like Foligno, Maroon, Martinez and Brodie who cannot play at a NHL level anymore. Meanwhile Grier has built an actual team that makes logical sense on paper and on the ice while also building a significantly better prospect pool.

 

[Lebanezer]

It's amusing to compare the shitshow in Chicago, built by a Doug Wilson Jr. ass millennial moron who never played the game (seriously, how did Davidson get that job?), to what Grier has constructed here on an even shorter timeline.

Wunderkind Kyle has surrounded Bedard with soft one-way offensive wingers like Hall, Teravainen, Bertuzzi, Kurashev and Donato who only make Bedard's job harder. Then almost as an afterthought he sprinkled in some token veterans like Foligno, Maroon, Martinez and Brodie who cannot play at a NHL level anymore. Meanwhile Grier has built an actual team that makes logical sense on paper and on the ice while also building a significantly better prospect pool.

 

[Hodge]

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Tell me where I'm wrong. The Blackhawks are a terrifying look at an alternate reality where Doug Wilson's master succession plan to hand the Sharks off to his son came to fruition. KDJr. even reached for offenseman Korchinski and drafted a smurf winger 13th overall.

 

[Lebanezer]

Tell me where I'm wrong. The Blackhawks are a terrifying look at an alternate reality where Doug Wilson's master succession plan to hand the Sharks off to his son came to fruition. KDJr. even reached for offenseman Korchinski and drafted a smurf winger 13th overall.

You’re talking about Kyle Davidson, why even bring up the Wilsons? They’re gone.

 

[hohosaregood]

what a boomer thing to say

 

[Jargon]

Yeah, f*** millenials.

-a xennial

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I actually took Hodge to be either a self-hating millennial or a gen Z. Not a boomer.

 

[Pavelski2112]

It's amusing to compare the shitshow in Chicago, built by a Doug Wilson Jr. ass millennial moron who never played the game (seriously, how did Davidson get that job?), to what Grier has constructed here on an even shorter timeline.

Wunderkind Kyle has surrounded Bedard with soft one-way offensive wingers like Hall, Teravainen, Bertuzzi, Kurashev and Donato who only make Bedard's job harder. Then almost as an afterthought he sprinkled in some token veterans like Foligno, Maroon, Martinez and Brodie who cannot play at a NHL level anymore. Meanwhile Grier has built an actual team that makes logical sense on paper and on the ice while also building a significantly better prospect pool.

I know you're smarter than this

 

[OrrNumber4]

Take it from a boomer...you are walking into these traps too easily.

 

[Lebanezer]

 

[STL Shark]

Feel like Anaheim would claim him ahead of us. If so, bench the kids against the flying elbows and goonish behavior of Gudas/Trouba.

Personally would like to see Trouba here for a couple of years just for some more average NHL RHD.

 

[matt trick]

I’d pick him up. Pretty sure only Nash (no cap space) and Chicago (already have Jones and Murphy) are the only teams ahead of us as it’s based on point percentage. He gives us a one year Ceci replacement for top pair RHD next year while massively upgrading on Rutta this year. He’s physical and a leader capable of playing 20 minutes a night. Seems like a good partner for Dickinson as well. Walman/Ceci Ferraro/Liljigren and Dickinson/Trouba would be an average top 6.

If Ceci is not re-signed you could look at Borgen and Kovacevic as younger physical RHD to complete the defense. Inevitably two of those guys get traded at the deadline (Ferraro and either Trouba/Lilji) and two of Muk, Cagnoni, and Thompson grab those spots.

I imagine we’re near the bottom of Trouba’s list and along with him wanting to be with his wife as she finishes residency I also see where he may have zero interest in SJ, beyond our current gap to contention.

 

[Jargon]

I’d pick him up. Pretty sure only Nash (no cap space) and Chicago (already have Jones and Murphy) are the only teams ahead of us as it’s based on point percentage. He gives us a one year Ceci replacement for top pair RHD next year while massively upgrading on Rutta this year. He’s physical and a leader capable of playing 20 minutes a night. Seems like a good partner for Dickinson as well. Walman/Ceci Ferraro/Liljigren and Dickinson/Trouba would be an average top 6.

If Ceci is not re-signed you could look at Borgen and Kovacevic as younger physical RHD to complete the defense. Inevitably two of those guys get traded at the deadline (Ferraro and either Trouba/Lilji) and two of Muk, Cagnoni, and Thompson grab those spots.

I imagine we’re near the bottom of Trouba’s list and along with him wanting to be with his wife as she finishes residency I also see where he may have zero interest in SJ, beyond our current gap to contention.

I think the question is whether he’s very bad in the room. I think the team vibes are great right now and I don’t want him here if he’s going to ruin that. I’m sure Goodrow can advise.

 

[Hodge]

If the Rangers have a trade worked out with a team lower than us in waiver priority, I think Grier would respect that. We don’t need a disgruntled Trouba that badly.