Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[jMoneyBrah]

If Griers smart he moves Musty for a legit right handed Dman the hold out has me concerned that musty might be a bit of prima-donna. Dickinson might be another valuable trade assets as well he’s in an absolute stacked team and doesn’t really have to play defense sell high for a power forward for Mack

So, in summary, trade:
- power forward prospect for a top defender
- elite defense prospect for a power forward

I mean, we could just demonstrate an inkling of patience here…

 

[one2gamble]

If Griers smart he moves Musty for a legit right handed Dman the hold out has me concerned that musty might be a bit of prima-donna. Dickinson might be another valuable trade assets as well he’s in an absolute stacked team and doesn’t really have to play defense sell high for a power forward for Mack

Drink more panda

 

[TheBeard]

But how is the EK trade number one when it hasn’t produced a mainstay? Granlund isn’t a mainstay unless they extend him or Dickinson gets there but the Meier trade also partially hinges on Dickinson because the 2nd was what was moved to get him. I’d classify Zetterlund as more of a mainstay than Granlund.

Right now we’ve gotten more production from the return on the Karlsson trade (not to mention moving 50 million of that contract) than we have from the Timo trade, where he was essentially gone without a crippling cap hit for years to come.

Essentially the ROI from Timo should have always been high whereas the return for Karlsson prior to his big year should have been a hearty “thank you”.

Essentially I have a hard time defining the success of a trade until the main pieces have shown they’re capable of being legit NHLers.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Right now we’ve gotten more production from the return on the Karlsson trade (not to mention moving 50 million of that contract) than we have from the Timo trade, where he was essentially gone without a crippling cap hit for years to come.

Essentially the ROI from Timo should have always been high whereas the return for Karlsson prior to his big year should have been a hearty “thank you”.

Essentially I have a hard time defining the success of a trade until the main pieces have shown they’re capable of being legit NHLers.

We haven’t gotten that much more production out of the Karlsson deal but the long term odds still favor the Meier deal since Zetterlund is a better long term option over Granlund. Any of Dickinson, Mukhamadullin, and Musty panning out make it a huge home run. Even with expectations pre-trade in mind, it’s arguable. Meier’s high qualifying offer was a hurdle in trade value and staying out of an 8 year deal can be seen as more valuable compared to Karlsson’s 10 mil over four years.

I agree though that it’s tough until pieces materialize whether it’s by being a player or being a trade piece. I just think the Meier deal is slightly ahead currently. I think Zetterlund is an under-appreciated part of the rebuild efforts. He’s a huge part of them even having an identity at this stage.

 

[TheBeard]

We haven’t gotten that much more production out of the Karlsson deal but the long term odds still favor the Meier deal since Zetterlund is a better long term option over Granlund. Any of Dickinson, Mukhamadullin, and Musty panning out make it a huge home run. Even with expectations pre-trade in mind, it’s arguable. Meier’s high qualifying offer was a hurdle in trade value and staying out of an 8 year deal can be seen as more valuable compared to Karlsson’s 10 mil over four years.

I agree though that it’s tough until pieces materialize whether it’s by being a player or being a trade piece. I just think the Meier deal is slightly ahead currently. I think Zetterlund is an under-appreciated part of the rebuild efforts. He’s a huge part of them even having an identity at this stage.

When any or all of that happens I'll have it ranked higher lol. It's just my opinion. It's not THE definitive rankings. I also don't see Timo's QO being nearly the financial deterrent as Karlsson's massive contract.

 

[Patty Ice]

If Griers smart he moves Musty for a legit right handed Dman the hold out has me concerned that musty might be a bit of prima-donna. Dickinson might be another valuable trade assets as well he’s in an absolute stacked team and doesn’t really have to play defense sell high for a power forward for Mack

 

[Timo Time]

I’m to lazy to find the Warsofsky thread but you have to give him credit for getting the most out of Walman and some how through the miracles of the hockey gods Kostin

Barfsofsky could never

 

[mogambomoroo]

To reflect this season so far, it's actually crazy how electrifying this team is.

There is no game they are totally out, they've progressed a lot faster than expected. Not saying they are a playoff team, but they have taken a lot of good steps towards. I realistically had no idea Celebrini and Smith would take the wheel this fast. Also didn't expect Walman to take the wheel as the 1D + Liljegren really helping solidify that defence.
Of course we'll see what happens when they face tougher competition, but I could see them at least hanging around. There seems to be a winning locker room even if it doesn't show on the scoreboard.
That's a lot on Celebrini and Smith, they've have brought the light at the end of the tunnel.

And this is without Musty, Chernyshov, Bystedt, Dickinson, Cagnoni, Askarov (except for couple of games)... there is sooo much to look for! I just can't wait to watch the next game.

 

[Jargon]

To reflect this season so far, it's actually crazy how electrifying this team is.

There is no game they are totally out, they've progressed a lot faster than expected. Not saying they are a playoff team, but they have taken a lot of good steps towards. I realistically had no idea Celebrini and Smith would take the wheel this fast. Also didn't expect Walman to take the wheel as the 1D + Liljegren really helping solidify that defence.
Of course we'll see what happens when they face tougher competition, but I could see them at least hanging around. There seems to be a winning locker room even if it doesn't show on the scoreboard.
That's a lot on Celebrini and Smith, they've have brought the light at the end of the tunnel.

And this is without Musty, Chernyshov, Bystedt, Dickinson, Cagnoni, Askarov (except for couple of games)... there is sooo much to look for! I just can't wait to watch the next game.

It’s true, even when the games are frustrating losses it’s a totally different feeling than it has been for the last several years. It’s all excitement and potential right now. I absolutely still think they’re a bottom 5 team but there’s this electricity around them that makes you think… you know if everything goes right..,,

 

[Munnyro]

To reflect this season so far, it's actually crazy how electrifying this team is.

There is no game they are totally out, they've progressed a lot faster than expected. Not saying they are a playoff team, but they have taken a lot of good steps towards. I realistically had no idea Celebrini and Smith would take the wheel this fast. Also didn't expect Walman to take the wheel as the 1D + Liljegren really helping solidify that defence.
Of course we'll see what happens when they face tougher competition, but I could see them at least hanging around. There seems to be a winning locker room even if it doesn't show on the scoreboard.
That's a lot on Celebrini and Smith, they've have brought the light at the end of the tunnel.

And this is without Musty, Chernyshov, Bystedt, Dickinson, Cagnoni, Askarov (except for couple of games)... there is sooo much to look for! I just can't wait to watch the next game.

Nice to see the team hit there stride. Those first 10 games were awful to watch.