Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[coooldude]

Is it? Wedgewood is 100% a backup and functionally it only cost them a 6th plus the G swap to ensure there was a roster space. The Avs can't rely on Wedgewood to carry them for weeks on end, so it feels like this is a stopgap. Bring in someone who can take some of the load and theoretically not suck to buy time for Georgiev to sort his crap out and get out of this hole he's in.

If he still sucks in 2 or 3 months and Wedgewood has kept them at least somewhat afloat in the playoff picture, I could still see them making a play for a rental starter to try and make a late push.

I would also say the price goes up at that point, but it's not like they've sunk significant assets into trying to fix their problem so far.

You may very well be right. It just "feels" like, given just how badly they've struggled and how much of the season is left, that they would have pulled the trigger already if they believed in him.

Since not yet, then maybe TDL if they feel they're in contention but need a true #1 and Blackwood has kept it up. Or, perhaps, Grier is trying to play from a position of strength and keeping the price high.

 

[OrrNumber4]

His underlying numbers from last season look horrible. If those are an accurate reflection of his play it’s really not that crazy the Wings had to attach a pick to dump him.

Walman and Granlund hint that the Shark's pro scouting is pretty good.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Looks like Jiricek is going to the Wild. Cheap ass price.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Looks like Jiricek is going to the Wild. Cheap ass price.

A suppose so, but I can't believe Minnesota's record is this good! I would have guessed their first would have been a lottery pick.

 

[DG93]

Looks like Jiricek is going to the Wild. Cheap ass price.

Bummer...that group of Faber, Jiricek, and Buium is gonna be nasty

 

[Hodge]

We may regret not beating that offer. Musty, Mukhamadullin and our next two 2nds should have been enough.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The Sharks could have easily beat this offer if we wanted. Guess Grier doesn't think that highly of Jiricek.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Hunt looks pretty comparable to Mukhamadullin. Our 2025 1st obviously does not hold comparable value to Minnesota’s, and Musty/Bystedt are both probably a bit more valuable than Minnesota’s 1st, perhaps a gap in value comparable to the 2027 2nd.

The competing package from our end probably would’ve been Mukhamadullin + (Musty or Bystedt). I wouldn’t have been mad if we made that deal but I’m also not seething over not doing it.

 

[Cas]

Hunt looks pretty comparable to Mukhamadullin. Our 2025 1st obviously does not hold comparable value to Minnesota’s, and Musty/Bystedt are both probably a bit more valuable than Minnesota’s 1st, perhaps a gap in value comparable to the 2027 2nd.

The competing package from our end probably would’ve been Mukhamadullin + (Musty or Bystedt). I wouldn’t have been mad if we made that deal but I’m also not seething over not doing it.

I don't think it would have been worth paying that much for Jiricek.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Hunt looks pretty comparable to Mukhamadullin. Our 2025 1st obviously does not hold comparable value to Minnesota’s, and Musty/Bystedt are both probably a bit more valuable than Minnesota’s 1st, perhaps a gap in value comparable to the 2027 2nd.

The competing package from our end probably would’ve been Mukhamadullin + (Musty or Bystedt). I wouldn’t have been mad if we made that deal but I’m also not seething over not doing it.

Our 2nd this year is basically equivalent to Minnesota's 1st. The prospects available at 27th overall are going to be extremely mediocre.

Mukhamadullin + 2025 2nd + 2026 2nd would beat what Minnesota gave up.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Our 2nd this year is basically equivalent to Minnesota's 1st. The prospects available at 27th overall are going to be extremely mediocre.

Mukhamadullin + 2025 2nd + 2026 2nd would beat what Minnesota gave up.

That Minnesota pick could wind up being way better than 27th though. They currently have a 1038 PDO (something no team has ever done over a full season) with a 40 year old goalie.

I also think the optics of getting a "1st round pick" back might play a role. I wouldn't be surprised if Waddell would prefer the offer he got to the one you listed even if I agree ours would have been "better."

 

[Juxtaposer]

That Minnesota pick could wind up being way better than 27th though. They currently have a 1038 PDO (something no team has ever done over a full season) with a 40 year old goalie.

I also think the optics of getting a "1st round pick" back might play a role. I wouldn't be surprised if Waddell would prefer the offer he got to the one you listed even if I agree ours would have been "better."

Wouldn't be surprised if you're right about the optics of a "1st round pick" being the biggest selling point. But I personally believe the Wild are legit contenders right now.

 

[Jargon]

Damn too bad, I wanted Jiricek. Admittedly, I was a little nervous about all the talk about his bad skating. I do wonder if the Sharks didn’t want to offer Muhk and Musty wasn’t as highly valued. Who knows, hopefully we get Schaefer…………

 

[OrrNumber4]

Hunt looks pretty comparable to Mukhamadullin.

I really like this observation, because it made me revaluate how I am estimating prospects. My instant reaction was to be "no, Hunt is a depth NHLer and Mukhamadullin is a pretty good prospect with top-4 potential".

But you're right; they're very similar on paper. Mukhamadullin has a better pedigree, but Hint has more experience. I fell for the endowment effect...

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Four draft picks and a prospect for Jiricek is too much for me. I’m not sure if he makes it worth it.

 

[Grinner]

The Sharks seem high on the ability to skate

 

[matt trick]

Late 1st, (likely mid to late) 2nd in 2027, 3rd and a solid prospect for Jiricek. Even though I prefer good skating d , wouldn’t have minded if Grier beat that price. Not heartbroken that he didn’t.

I will say if Grier thought of highly of Jiricek as some on HF do, he had the capital and either he would have paid what was necessary, or Waddell required a 1st, even if it is only a 5-10 pick difference with SJ. Our 2026 2nd would have likely been a better asset than Minnesota’s 27 2nd, likely closing that difference a bit.

The Jiricek of his draft year would probably be a top 7-8 pick in this years draft. If you knew there was a risk of wanting out and skating concerns he’d probably go what 12-18? Maybe a bit higher given the lack of D, specifically RHD? I think he’d go ahead of Hensler.

One feather in Jiricek’s cap. Minnesota seems to be pretty good at drafting.

 

[TheBeard]

Hunt looks pretty comparable to Mukhamadullin. Our 2025 1st obviously does not hold comparable value to Minnesota’s, and Musty/Bystedt are both probably a bit more valuable than Minnesota’s 1st, perhaps a gap in value comparable to the 2027 2nd.

The competing package from our end probably would’ve been Mukhamadullin + (Musty or Bystedt). I wouldn’t have been mad if we made that deal but I’m also not seething over not doing it.

Too much for me. One of those players and a 2nd would have been my max, which in all honestly would have bested the Minny offer regardless.

 

[mogambomoroo]

To be honest not totally disappointed that we didn't manage to acquire him, but he would have helped a ton if he even became 2RD for this team. With Dickinson showing he has some chops, I think it takes the weight off a Jiricek to be the saviour. Would have been a perfect 1-2 punch with Cagnoni and possibly Schaefer added to that defensive depth. It just wasn't meant to be.

 

[DG93]

Yeah, I dunno if I would've given up 2025 2nd and 4th, 2026 2nd and 3rd, and Mukh for Jiricek and a 5th. We'll see how it goes though.

 

[GRANdSharks]

id be perfectly fine trading musty or muhk and a 2nd for a player like jiracek, i dont however think jiricek is as good as his draft position would suggest, sharks seem to agree since they could have easily beat this if they were motivated enough about the player.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I really like this observation, because it made me revaluate how I am estimating prospects. My instant reaction was to be "no, Hunt is a depth NHLer and Mukhamadullin is a pretty good prospect with top-4 potential".

But you're right; they're very similar on paper. Mukhamadullin has a better pedigree, but Hint has more experience. I fell for the endowment effect...

Same exact draft year and similar AHL scoring. Both LHD with size, though Shakir is bigger.

If anything, the biggest differentiator is that Hunt has struggled to crack a strong Minnesota d core, where as Shakir is struggling to crack the worst defense in the NHL. (And apparently being leapfrogged by a teenage smurf in Cagnoni). So Hunt should be worth a little more than Shakir.

This board is massively overrating Shakir’s value at this point. As I said a few weeks back, no reason to believe he is anything other than a throw in. Nobody is paying significant assets for a D+5 defenseman unless they plan to play him in the NHL immediately and it’s hard to believe anybody would play Shakir in the NHL immediately when we’re not even doing that.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

I don't think it would have been worth paying that much for Jiricek.

Yup, What ever the CBJ are asking for Jiricek is too high. He can't even crack the CBJ's line up, They just want to recoup their 1st round pick which looking bad right now. I hope GMMG stay out of this one. We already have Dickenson, Muk, Cag, Thrun, Thompson.

If they want Bords and a 7th round pick, I'm ok with but anything higher would be too high for Jiricek.