Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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WSS11
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Yep and they had a core 3 of Kopitar, Doughty, and Brown (all 1st round picks). In addition, they had a franchise goalie in Quick who they also drafted.
Yeah but look at how many we'd need to acquire in order to produce a similar roster to Vegas compared to where we are right now. Vegas had a group of 10-12 players that they depended on to compete at the level they did. Out of that group, about half can be attributed to the expansion draft. But putting that aside, what are we going to get to try and stack up to that roster so that we can compete again? What are we currently missing? What would continue to be missing even if we went out and got Pettersson? The answer to me is quite a lot and the cost to fill those needs outweigh the resources we have. I just don't see a way to trade our way back into competing until we develop our own talent to fill most of these gaps and have a coherent answer to how the hell we're going to get a Pietrangelo-type blue liner.
I think pushing to compete anytime soon is detrimental to the franchise.
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I am hoping for Maintenance day. If he were set down, then this org is f***ing stupid. If he were injured then there goes any semblance of hope I had this year. Either way I am hoping for the best
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That could mean that Hoffman is the one being scratched tomorrow.
If so, good. I've already seen enough to tell they aren't getting shit back for him at the deadline.
Well yes all trade pieces and assets an organization owns have to come from somewhere
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Available here. This is only 22-23 data and only for forwards.
For reference, Sturm is right on the outer, "faster" edge of the main group of forwards. Above him (higher top speed) you have guys like McDavid, Barzal, MacKinnon, and Athanasiou - known for their speed - while to his right (more frequent bursts) are names like Hintz, Engvall, and Gurianov. Generally speaking, Sturm appears to be among the faster ordinary players in the league - not as fast or quick as the true speedsters, but legitimately a fast player.
On the low end, Hertl appears at the slower edge of the main group of forwards. He's not as slow as guys like Pavelski, Benn, Reaves, or Malkin, certainly nowhere near Maroon or Backstrom, but is well below average.
Obviously, speed is nowhere near everything - Hertl is by far our best forward, and Sturm is good in his role but is not a difference maker. This is more just very interesting.
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I could see Mukhamadullin become a light version of Pietro. Pietroangelo is just the kind of defencemen we need to actually succeed when we are in the playoffs. I think It's important to try to build a balanced top 4 defence with 2 that can play PP. We don't need necessary need another Burns/Karlsson.
The conversation about Vegas success, I think the truth is between the culture and talent. When players wear that Vegas sweater they seem to lock in from the first second. I mean every single line, every single pair and every goalie.
Back in 2017 NO ONE thought they would be that good. And they became good together as misfits, they had instant chemistry and they were a playoff team from that moment on, even with changing players and coaches.
That's I ramble about the culture all the time, Sharks need to change the culture as a whole or find player similar to Pavs/Thornton/Marleau to take over the locker room.
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The whole argument is you need to draft well and that’s how you get pieces.
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By looking at Barracuda goalie stats, it's safe to say we don't have a groundbreaking goalie coming through the system, so I'm all for acquiring a starter through a trade or free agency when the team starts to have some consistancy. Keeping Blackwood is good idea for now, I think he can be a good starter for us until we really hit the next gear.
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I want the #1 overall pick as much as the next guy, but if we drop to #3, I would draft Levshunov immediately. With the Pittsburgh pick I would draft the best defencemen available, Jiricek would be awesome. Seriously making that defensive depth better, if we are not getting Celebrini.
Future could look something like:
(not ready for competition, but if that first line catches fire it could suprise some people)
Eklund - Smith - Musty (all young energy)
Zadina - Hertl - Couture (two center line, pretty good two-way)
FA/trade - Bystedt - Zetterlund (swedish line?)
FA/trade - Sturm - FA/trade (hard working line)
Halttunen (boom or bust top 9, we'll see)
Mukhamadullin - Levshunov
(I'm not sure they would be ready to start as a pair from the first puck drop, but something to build for the future. Could be a nightmare pair if they both work out and play two-way game.)
Cagnoni - FA/trade (the 2nd pair of fun, still need a solid 2RD, that will probably be through a trade or drafted earlier)
Thrun - Emberson
Okhotyuk
FA (Free agency could be our biggest hope, trading would take a lot of assets for a reasonable starter)
Blackwood
Future could look something like:
(not ready for competition, but if that first line catches fire it could suprise some people)
Eklund - Smith - Musty (all young energy)
Zadina - Hertl - Couture (two center line, pretty good two-way)
FA/trade - Bystedt - Zetterlund (swedish line?)
FA/trade - Sturm - FA/trade (hard working line)
Halttunen (boom or bust top 9, we'll see)
Mukhamadullin - Levshunov
(I'm not sure they would be ready to start as a pair from the first puck drop, but something to build for the future. Could be a nightmare pair if they both work out and play two-way game.)
Cagnoni - FA/trade (the 2nd pair of fun, still need a solid 2RD, that will probably be through a trade or drafted earlier)
Thrun - Emberson
Okhotyuk
FA (Free agency could be our biggest hope, trading would take a lot of assets for a reasonable starter)
Blackwood
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Eklund - Hertl - Musty
Zadina - Bystedt - Zetterlund
Duclair - Couture - Guschin
FA/trade - Sturm - FA/trade
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I'm on board with drafting a D at 3. I'm not yet on board with Levshunov. Silayev is making a ton of noise, and he's young. If he keeps getting better in the KHL, I'd pick him as high as 2, based on what (at least) Wheeler and Pronman are currently saying.
Levshunov for some reason rubs me the wrong way... depending on how his season goes I could change my mind. Not that it matters what I think! But the emergence of Silayev has made me feel a lot better about pick #3, which is our likeliest pick.
If we're so lucky as to get pick 1/2, I think you probably have to go with Macklin/Eiserman (unless Silayev's year is just insane), but then if PIT is at 11, we will have a good set of D picks to choose from that would hopefully pencil in as top 4 D. Like you said, even if we pick 3OA, we may go D/D and all of a sudden our D pipeline is not so horrific and maybe even a strength. Then 2025 can be back to BPA's.
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At this point, if we're talking "long-term future", the only players I'd feel comfortable penciling in are Hertl, Couture, Eklund, Smith, Mukhamadullin, Thrun, and the 2024 first-rounder. There's too much uncertainty around everyone else; either them leaving, getting older, or not developing enough.
