Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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Tw1ster
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I think Logan Stankoven is a very generous 5’8 as wellAlex DeBrincat 5'8"
Mats Zuccarello 5'8"
Is 3 approximately zero?
Juxtaposer
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Isn't Cole Caufield like 5'6"?
Yes.
Yes.Alex DeBrincat 5'8"
Mats Zuccarello 5'8"
Is 3 approximately zero?
4 is approximately zero in a league of 800 players.
weastern bias
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Instant war flashbacks
It didn't matter where he played or how good his team was, Jiri Hudler used to beat the shit out of the Sharks every time we faced him
weastern bias
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It's so awesome how we don't get any official announcement from the team twitter or even the pr account, instead the president of business ops tweets out a low resolution notes app screenshot for the official roster
The Capital of Silicon Valley, ladies and gentlemen
The Capital of Silicon Valley, ladies and gentlemen
Anomie2029
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The team twitter literally posted a graphic for the opening night roster a few minutes before Becher...
weastern bias
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God damn it
Well the team did the right thing, now I'll blame Elon for making the Twitter app break and fail to refresh like 4 times a day
THE BUCK STOPS OVER THERE, IT'S NOT MY FAULT, I DIDN'T DO IT
LadyStanley
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NHL Theo flurry is only 5.6'' tall and he had a wonderful hockey career with 1008 points and 455 goals. sharks fans remembered him very well for the wrong reason. i hated him whenever he scored against the sharks.Isn't Cole Caufield like 5'6"?
Yes.
Yes.
4 is approximately zero in a league of 800 players.
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Patty Ice
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Of course, you refer to the day his rights were traded to the Sharks.
Some people conveniently don’t seem to understand the difference between (rounding to) zero and none.
Smaller players can succeed. It’s hard but they can. Gush is one of those….
His shot is elite. His speed is nhl level. He passing is respectable. His motor is excellent.
He’s improving the defensive side and the positioning side. But, what he brings in transition is sorely sorely missing. Celebrini and granlund are the only two other guys in the team that can transition from d zone to ozone with speed consistently.
I’m just pissed that he seems destined for fourth line duties. That’s a total and complete misuse especially compared with will smith, who isn’t even an nhler right now. Warsofsky also seems to be breaking the Lund line which I think is a mistake.
We’ll see how it plays out on Thursday….
His shot is elite. His speed is nhl level. He passing is respectable. His motor is excellent.
He’s improving the defensive side and the positioning side. But, what he brings in transition is sorely sorely missing. Celebrini and granlund are the only two other guys in the team that can transition from d zone to ozone with speed consistently.
I’m just pissed that he seems destined for fourth line duties. That’s a total and complete misuse especially compared with will smith, who isn’t even an nhler right now. Warsofsky also seems to be breaking the Lund line which I think is a mistake.
We’ll see how it plays out on Thursday….
Will Smith had a better year in the NCAA than a lot of prospects that were immediately good in the NHL. Why you keep insisting that having a prospect like that in the top 6 is a mistake is ridiculous.
Also have no idea why you think he isn't an NHLer right now.
The Lund line got caved in 5v5 last season. The got some points thanks to an unsustainable shooting percentage to end the year. This point hot streak also happened during a stretch of games that the Sharks played the worst they did all season in a season they were the worst team of the millennia. No reason to go out of their way to keep that line together.
I've got a feeling you're going to be doing a lot of whining this season when they aren't magically competing for the playoffs.
I completely agree that Smith had a fabulous year in the NCAA. I also think he will be an excellent NHler in short course. I'm definitely a fan and very excited for him. In no way am I insinuating that he is some kind of bust...
However, he is also 19 years old, and in the preseason games, he looked a step behind. He did not look like an NHLer to me at either end of the rink. His nuetral zone and D zone play was just not up to par, and he looked overmatched by the speed. Like Musty and Dick, he just didn't look ready. I think he needs a stint in the A as a transition, just like cooch, pavs, meier, and the vast majority of other up and coming stars-to-be. That stint could be as short as 10-20 games if he crushes it, or longer depending on when he looks ready to come up.
I would be very happy to be wrong and watch Smith come out of the gate like gangbusters. I just didn't see it in the games I watched him, and I dont think its useful to have him in the NHL off the bat going pointless in the first 5-10 games. I'd rather he crush it in the AHL, build confidence, and come up a bit more accustomed to the pro game.
As for the lund line, they were literally the only line that could score, so they always matched up against the opposition's best, and every line was overmatched last year. This year, they would be the second line, and thus have a much easier time playing against opposition 2nd pairings nd alot less pressure to carry the team. I thought they were getting better and better working together as the year went on. I also like the roles each plays with granny as the puck carrier and distributor, Ek can pass or score, and Zetts has the rifle shot, finishing skill, and toughness. I'm not overly attached to keeping them together, just that's what I woulda done and give Gush the wing with toffoli and celebrini as I think Gush fits well there with his speed, quickness, and both shooting and passing ability.
I won't be whining, and I'm not whining now. I'm just stating my observations, which some may agree with, and others might not, and thats OK! I fully expect them to suck, but I do want to see good efforts, team structure, and improvement. I also want to see a meritocracy that reward players who are playing well, rather than slotting people in on the basis of their last name or pedigree.
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Im not going to disagree with this but I think one of the main differences is that the NHL team at the time of those players entering the league was in a very different place. If you think play time > practice time, then sure. If you think he can get there by practicing and training with NHLers, then he should stay in the NHL because its not going to hurt the NHL team. Combine that with the questionable staff that the Cuda continues to have and I dont know that I would want him in the AHL for more than a conditioning stint.
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Just out of curiosity - what's the benefit of not putting Logan on the LTIR? I know we don't need the space, but what if we could use it in the future? (I understand it's unlikely we pick up that huge of a cap dump mid season)
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According to moneypuck the Lund like was together 37 games, but not sure how accurate that is because the actual minute total was fairly low.
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LTIR doesn't actually create any extra cap space. It allows teams to exceed the cap by the amount of the injured player's cap hit. Since we're well under the cap it doesn't help us.
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At least according to Natural Stat Trick, Lund Line only played 122 minutes together last year, and here are the stats:
- CF% 45%
- GF% 43.75%
- xGF% 39.21%
- HDCF% 37.25%
I agree...
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Looks like they spent 122 5v5 minutes together per Natural Stat Trick. Assuming 15 minutes per game, that's ~8 games. I'm guessing the MoneyPuck number means they shared the ice for parts of 37 games.
The Sharks priority this season is to develop Celebrini and Smith. You need some or all of the Lunds to play on their wings. With the Lund line together, the wings for the teenagers are Toffoli, probably Gushchin ( a rookie which is not ideal) and who? Wennberg? Goodrow? Kunin? Kostin? Pick two. It’s much better to support the future top 6 centers for your franchise with the best wingers you have to help them assimilate to the NHL.
Regarding Smith, I expected him to start the season on Granlund’s wing. The Sharks, at least for now, are keeping him at center with an experienced center on his wing. There are going to be more growing pains with him at center. If they think he is overwhelmed, they will move him to wing before they send him to the AHL.
Regarding Smith, I expected him to start the season on Granlund’s wing. The Sharks, at least for now, are keeping him at center with an experienced center on his wing. There are going to be more growing pains with him at center. If they think he is overwhelmed, they will move him to wing before they send him to the AHL.
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tahoesharksfan
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Alex DeBrincat 5'8"
Mats Zuccarello 5'8"
Is 3 approximately zero?
HOFer Martin St Louis is only 5'8".....it can happen!
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Yeah if someone like Gushchin, Bordeleau or Graf unexpectedly hits as a top six forward it makes it a lot easier to include a Musty, Chernyshov or Halttunen in a trade package for a top 4 defenseman.
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Assuming this "best case", we still need one of those bigger wingers to hit, because we'll be looking at a top 6 "core" or semi-core of Eklund, Celebrini, Smith, Gushchin/Bords/Graf, and two more. That's at least 4 average-to-small forwards in the top 6. They better be transcendent. This is the problem with chasing "value" when drafting -- eventually your pool just lacks the meat that you need to win battles in the corner and in the front of the net.
