Patty Ice
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It's how his name is supposed to be spelled.
Is it how he spells it? Is it spelled Vlassic on the back of his jersey?
What a silly argument.
It's how his name is supposed to be spelled.
Are you ready for a long lecture on Slavic politics and culture?Is it how he spells it? Is it spelled Vlassic on the back of his jersey?
What a silly argument.
Are you ready for a long lecture on Slavic politics and culture?![]()
Ceci is not nearly as bad as you are making him out to be. He is not great but he is serviceable. I watched way too many oilers games this year and I changed my mind about him. Again, not great, but not that bad. And yes I agree that playing on a good team helped make him look better, but he still objectively played better last year. Rising tide and all thatYour whole schtick was "Walman was treated as a cap dump, ergo he is horrible". I'm asking you if you'll use the same logic when Ceci is treated as a cap dump. Got my answer.
Walman has 200+ NHL games. He's very clearly an NHLer. Ceci has gotten chance after chance because he's a righty and was a high draft pick, not because he's actually any good.
Maybe he's as good as the rest of our RD. My point is why acquire someone expensive who is objectively terrible when that player is a potentially maybe marginal-at-best improvement on what we have unless we're getting an asset to do so. I don't care for itty bitty upgrades when we have the chance to actually screw another team. And I'm especially not interested in doing Stan Bowman a favor.
I found this reddit post about Mandela Effects and the OP mentions our Vlasic. Reading the comments, other posters keep talking about ME, which i intuited to be Marc-Edouard and not the more obvious "Mandela Effect" lol.Are you ready for a long lecture on Slavic politics and culture?![]()
I believe its usually spelled "Vlašić" in the Balkans.Are you ready for a long lecture on Slavic politics and culture?![]()
Pronounced with a "ch" sound on the end? I feel like that's what I'm remembering from my European football watching.I believe its usually spelled "Vlašić" in the Balkans.
I'm someone whose family name was similarly altered due to the English alphabet's lacking of carons.
If Serbo-Croatian pronunciation is anything like Slovenian (which I do not speak, but briefly dabbled in about twenty years ago), I would have pronounced it "Vlah-shik."Pronounced with a "ch" sound on the end? I feel like that's what I'm remembering from my European football watching.
A guy who has played 200 NHL games is an established NHLer.Am I supposed to be impressed that the guy has barely eclipsed 200 games at 28 years old? He's not an established NHLer. Nobody knows what he is, hence the Red Wings being forced to attach a 2nd just to get rid of him.
Ceci is big, right handed and can play 20 minutes a night without getting killed. I'm not at all convinced the Oilers will need to attach any sort of sweetener to move Ceci. Especially since he only has 1 year remaining. They might even be able to trade him for value.
If Mike Grier refuses to improve the Sharks due to a personal vendetta against another GM he should be fired.
Betting on a 30 year old to repeat a career season on an elite hockey team instead of regressing to what he has always been is definitely a good and smart thing to do.Ceci is not nearly as bad as you are making him out to be. He is not great but he is serviceable. I watched way too many oilers games this year and I changed my mind about him. Again, not great, but not that bad. And yes I agree that playing on a good team helped make him look better, but he still objectively played better last year. Rising tide and all that.
Oh, no haha to be clear I don't want him or wouldn't bet on him either.A guy who has played 200 NHL games is an established NHLer.
Per Sheng's most recent article, the Oilers have been trying to find a suitor for Ceci or Kulak all summer and no one is biting. I'll most certainly take the bet that if Ceci is traded, he comes with an asset.
Betting on a 30 year old to repeat a career season on an elite hockey team instead of regressing to what he has always been is definitely a good and smart thing to do.
No shade, but if you're betting on Ceci to be what he was last year with the Oilers this year on the Sharks, I just can't agree with you.
And Elliotte Friedman just said on his podcast today that if the Oilers actually wanted to trade Ceci at any point this summer they had options to do so.A guy who has played 200 NHL games is an established NHLer.
Per Sheng's most recent article, the Oilers have been trying to find a suitor for Ceci or Kulak all summer and no one is biting. I'll most certainly take the bet that if Ceci is traded, he comes with an asset.
Betting on a 30 year old to repeat a career season on an elite hockey team instead of regressing to what he has always been is definitely a good and smart thing to do.
No shade, but if you're betting on Ceci to be what he was last year with the Oilers this year on the Sharks, I just can't agree with you.
Are you ready for a long lecture on Slavic politics and culture?![]()
He probably won't, but if he isn't far off and Edmonton would retain even 20% he could be a valuable TDL commodity. If not, he's gone after the season anyways.etting on a 30 year old to repeat a career season on an elite hockey team instead of regressing to what he has always been is definitely a good and smart thing to do.
No shade, but if you're betting on Ceci to be what he was last year with the Oilers this year on the Sharks, I just can't agree with you.
Who did we hve since then worth offer-sheeting?
I mean, they shouldn't match the Broberg offersheet because it's three times the AAV he deserves, but they definitely have to move someone to keep Holloway. I think Kulak will be basically unmovable without attaching a 1st to him, so moving Ceci with a 2nd or 3rd will be their most palatable option.And Elliotte Friedman just said on his podcast today that if the Oilers actually wanted to trade Ceci at any point this summer they had options to do so.
Ceci is more important to their chances of winning a Cup next year than either Holloway or Broberg. I don't think they'll trade him just to match either OS.
How is losing an entire second pair in order to keep a bottom six winger remotely sensible for a Cup contender?I mean, they shouldn't match the Broberg offersheet because it's three times the AAV he deserves, but they definitely have to move someone to keep Holloway. I think Kulak will be basically unmovable without attaching a 1st to him, so moving Ceci with a 2nd or 3rd will be their most palatable option.
I think this is certainly a matter of opinion, but I really don't think that Broberg contract would be a smart thing for the Oilers to lock themselves into given that their three best players all need serious raises in the next year.How is losing an entire second pair in order to keep a bottom six winger remotely sensible for a Cup contender?
They should just put Kane on LTIR to keep Broberg and let the Blues have Holloway. No need to move Ceci.
My understanding is that Kane has to stay on LTIR all season for that plan to work. Per The Athletic, Kane to LTIR gives Oilers $5.125M in flexibility, but they'd have to clear space to activate him in season.How is losing an entire second pair in order to keep a bottom six winger remotely sensible for a Cup contender?
They should just put Kane on LTIR to keep Broberg and let the Blues have Holloway. No need to move Ceci.
Exactly this - the Athletic article agrees. You're trying to sign Draisatl to an extension which will require a raise, as well as Bouchard in RFA with arbitration rights next July 1, and McJesus in 2026.I think this is certainly a matter of opinion, but I really don't think that Broberg contract would be a smart thing for the Oilers to lock themselves into given that their three best players all need serious raises in the next year.
There's no rule that says you're required to activate a player off LTIR as soon as he's healthy. As long as Kane doesn't raise a stink about it they should be able to Kucherov him for the year. I'm sure that's why they're delaying his offseason surgery as much as possible.My understanding is that Kane has to stay on LTIR all season for that plan to work. Per The Athletic, Kane to LTIR gives Oilers $5.125M in flexibility, but they'd have to clear space to activate him in season.
Exactly this - the Athletic article agrees. You're trying to sign Draisatl to an extension which will require a raise, as well as Bouchard in RFA with arbitration rights next July 1, and McJesus in 2026.
Meanwhile losing both players means you lose the only players on roster "who still have room to grow" per article again (so don't @ me if you disagree).
In a separate article, Shayna Goldman argues they should keep Holloway, betting on upside of him rounding into middle-6 form with good support from all the signings from July 1. However, Broberg is trickier. a one-year deal was probably going to be 900K, but he's worth more... just not $4MM+ AAV, and matching that OS is betting on his absolute max upside, and if he doesn't hit it, it screws you during a tricky time for contract renegotiations for more important players.
Even though Broberg played well in the PO's, it's definitely not cut and dry that they should match it.
I never said they were forced to activate him LTIR, just that they'll have to keep him out of the lineup all year if they want to go that route. Just going on LTIR is not a solution in itself.There's no rule that says you're required to activate a player off LTIR as soon as he's healthy. As long as Kane doesn't raise a stink about it they should be able to Kucherov him for the year. I'm sure that's why they're delaying his offseason surgery as much as possible.
Losing Broberg for a 2nd would be terrible asset management. He just has to be a decent #4 to earn his contract. I would match that offer sheet then trade him for more than a 2nd next offseason if necessary to make room for Draisaitl's extension. But there are plenty of other players who will be on expiring contracts next year that they can move first like Kane, Arvidsson, Kulak, etc.
Kane is useless so keeping him out of the lineup all season won't hurt the Oilers at all.I never said they were forced to activate him LTIR, just that they'll have to keep him out of the lineup all year if they want to go that route. Just going on LTIR is not a solution in itself.
You are taking a very strong position on this ("terrible asset management") for no clear reason to me, and you're responding to me as if I told you something very stupid and that your answer is very obvious. Unnecessary and untrue.
If it were so obvious, it would be resolved already. It's not so obvious. Give Stan a call if you think he's missing something. You can say that it'll all resolve itself in time and that Broberg is an obvious match, but if you don't acknowledge that there is risk in this strategy in the event Broberg does NOT perform and/or regardless it makes it harder to sign your three biggest contracts in the next two years, then you are being disingenuous.
What is inarguable is that they put themselves into this situation with all the July 1 signings, and the offer sheets aren't all that surprising.
Pohlkamp is in the NCAA next seasonCeci cannot play defense. It would be really bad to sign him here. The Senators couldn't wait to move on from him. Oiler defense is bad too. I'd rather have a revolving door with the Barracuda, with Pohlkamp getting first try.