Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[landshark]

When Cooter comes back I'd like to see him on Bordy's wing. Assuming Bordy sticks. Cooter to wing just makes sense with Hertl, Bordy, Sturm, Granlund all centers. (Carpy and Eklund also, although I guess Eklund is doomed to be a winger at the NHL level and Carpy is maybe slightly above replacement level if at all)

Hoff - Hertl - Barbar
Cooter - Bordy - Eklund
Zadina - Granlund - Duclair
Zett - Sturm - Labanc

 

[Erep]

I am betting Bordeleau gets sent down and Granlund is moved to 3C as soon as Couture returns.

Unless Bordeleau has a huge start, I expect so.

Comparing guys like Zetterlund and Smith to Bordeleau is a bit pointless. The takeaway from last season on Bordeleau should be, and based on preseason deployment I think the team agrees, he is a center or not an NHLer.

The Sharks have 4 experienced NHL centers, Bodeleau, Robbins and some AHL depth guys. Bodeleau was the 5th one out of camp so he is filling in for injury. Forcing him into the NHL at wing is just wasting development time for his center game. If you want him in the NHL lineup you need to move one of the other centers to wing, but I think the team wants Hertl and Couture to provide experience for young wingers at center, Granlund also sucks at the wing, and Sturm is the only 4C type.

 

[gaucholoco3]

When Cooter comes back I'd like to see him on Bordy's wing. Assuming Bordy sticks. Cooter to wing just makes sense with Hertl, Bordy, Sturm, Granlund all centers. (Carpy and Eklund also, although I guess Eklund is doomed to be a winger at the NHL level and Carpy is maybe slightly above replacement level if at all)

Hoff - Hertl - Barbar
Cooter - Bordy - Eklund
Zadina - Granlund - Duclair
Zett - Sturm - Labanc

This lineup is still missing Kunin who could slot in for Labanc.

It’s just a numbers problem.

Of the 13 forwards currently rostered I don’t know who they would be willing to waive when Couture comes back.

Smith - Is the only “enforcer” on the roster so unlikely to be waived.
Labanc - Could be waived, I just don’t see it with his 4+ million contract.
Zetterlund and Kunin - both were traded for recently and have shown top 6 potential at times in their careers.

They could run with 14 forwards but then the same “who do they waive” problem is even more pronounced with them having 3 “injured” defenseman on top of their 8 in the roster.

 

[Alaskanice]

Lineup is poor. Why is Peterson not here, one of the guys who actually consistently created offense for us last season.

The season hasn’t started yet.

 

[SjMilhouse]

It's what i was saying for a few years now, the majority of the shark fans are to impatient for an actual full rebuild, some fans are not seeing immediate results from the change in leadership and they are being vocal.

Just wait until we are in year 5 of the rebuild and a bunch of players/moves didn't work out and we are looking at another 5+ years to maybe right the ship. I appreciate the optimism but we can just as easily still suck in 5 years if stuff just doesn't work out how we hope. Smith could be a bust, then what?

 

[Barrie22]

Do you mean Mitchell Russell? That guy's in no way a candidate for the Sharks, the only action he saw last season was in the ECHL. He's just still up due to whatever it is that's wrong with him.

I would love to know what exactly is going on there, but I don't think anyone is going to ask. Russell played two ECHL games in 22-23, then sat out the rest of the year with injury. Was a scratch for the prospect scrimmage, did play a game in the prospect tournament in Vegas, and now I guess is hurt again. Have no idea what the issue is, but it's been a long time now.

Even without Mitchell we will have 14 forwards, and this is possible with injuries now, but once the Defense and forwards start getting healthy we will have 14 forwards and like 9 defense.

 

[landshark]

This lineup is still missing Kunin who could slot in for Labanc.

It’s just a numbers problem.

Of the 13 forwards currently rostered I don’t know who they would be willing to waive when Couture comes back.

Smith - Is the only “enforcer” on the roster so unlikely to be waived.
Labanc - Could be waived, I just don’t see it with his 4+ million contract.
Zetterlund and Kunin - both were traded for recently and have shown top 6 potential at times in their careers.

They could run with 14 forwards but then the same “who do they waive” problem is even more pronounced with them having 3 “injured” defenseman on top of their 8 in the roster.

Oh shit. Poor Kunin, I forgot him. He's also a center. Cooter to wing even if Bordy goes back down I guess. Yah, Labanc for a bag of pucks please.

 

[weastern bias]

Thank god our GM doesn’t define an entire tenure on the merit of 23 or so games.

22 games is his entire tenure, I don't know what else we could define it to be

 

[Mattb124]

Oh shit. Poor Kunin, I forgot him. He's also a center. Cooter to wing even if Bordy goes back down I guess. Yah, Labanc for a bag of pucks please.

I believe Kunin has exclusively played wing for the Sharks, so doubt that changes.

 

[weastern bias]

Oh shit. Poor Kunin, I forgot him. He's also a center. Cooter to wing even if Bordy goes back down I guess. Yah, Labanc for a bag of pucks please.

Both Eklund and Kunins are definitely wingers at this stage, especially with the depth available the only 6 guys I imagine playing real minutes at center this year (barring catastrophic injury) are Hertl, Couture, Granlund, Bordeleau, Sturm and Carpenter

 

[gaucholoco3]

Both Eklund and Kunins are definitely wingers at this stage, especially with the depth available the only 6 guys I imagine playing real minutes at center this year (barring catastrophic injury) are Hertl, Couture, Granlund, Bordeleau, Sturm and Carpenter

You forgot Will Smith in late March but I would agree with you.

 

[timorous me]

If Mitchell Russell plays for the Sharks this year, we have either hit the jackpot or we are being contracted as a mercy.

I have more faith in the ghost of Torrey Mitchell suiting up for the Sharks this year than Mitchell Russell.

 

[weastern bias]

You forgot Will Smith in late March but I would agree with you.

I don't expect Will Smith to play with us this year

I know some people are even projecting he plays 2 years in college, but I'm assuming he plays well in school, goes to the playoffs and then comes to camp next year with an eye to making the team

 

[Hodge]

Conor Garland just switched agents to try and facilitate a trade out of Vancouver. He's a Boston guy and IMO fits the way Grier and especially Quinn want to play. Contract is definitely a bit steep though.

I wonder if the Canucks would be willing to do a 1:1 swap for Labanc. Cap neutral but gets them out of the final 2 years of Garland's contract.

 

[OffSydes]

You have to rebuild with a bad roster because this team is not close to being good. There is no cap space, farm or draft picks they could move around to contend sooner.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Lineup is poor. Why is Peterson not here, one of the guys who actually consistently created offense for us last season.

He played well last season, but in preseason he was unnoticeable - 4 games, 0 points, "-7" (-2, -3, 0, -2).

 

[timorous me]

He played well last season, but in preseason he was unnoticeable - 4 games, 0 points, "-7" (-2, -3, 0, -2).

I'm glad he passed through waivers because he definitely feels like a player who could come good again upon recall after spending some time getting his game back on track with the Cuda.

 

[Gecklund]

Conor Garland just switched agents to try and facilitate a trade out of Vancouver. He's a Boston guy and IMO fits the way Grier and especially Quinn want to play. Contract is definitely a bit steep though.

I wonder if the Canucks would be willing to do a 1:1 swap for Labanc. Cap neutral but gets them out of the final 2 years of Garland's contract.

Why would we do it though? That’s a lot of money for someone worse than Barabanov/Duclair.

 

[TheBeard]

Why would we do it though? That’s a lot of money for someone worse than Barabanov/Duclair.

I don’t hAaaate it. Yeah it’s 5 a year for the next couple but he’s only 27. A couple decent seasons pumping up his totals on the first line and he may have serious value as a deadline rental down the road.

But yeah, it could only be for Labanc though.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

This lineup is still missing Kunin who could slot in for Labanc.

It’s just a numbers problem.

Of the 13 forwards currently rostered I don’t know who they would be willing to waive when Couture comes back.

Smith - Is the only “enforcer” on the roster so unlikely to be waived.
Labanc - Could be waived, I just don’t see it with his 4+ million contract.
Zetterlund and Kunin - both were traded for recently and have shown top 6 potential at times in their careers.

They could run with 14 forwards but then the same “who do they waive” problem is even more pronounced with them having 3 “injured” defenseman on top of their 8 in the roster.

theres a semi decent chance someone else is hurt before couture comes back. not hoping, but realistically someone else will be out

 

[Hodge]

Why would we do it though? That’s a lot of money for someone worse than Barabanov/Duclair.

I think Garland is a better, younger version of Barabanov and acquiring him would allow us to trade Barabanov at the deadline and still have a top six wing for the next two years while Smith and Musty continue to develop.

 

[STL Shark]

Why would we do it though? That’s a lot of money for someone worse than Barabanov/Duclair.

Because we're more likely to trade Barabanov and Duclair as expiring UFAs this TDL than sign them long-term. Offers another NHL player to help bring the kids along as we stockpile more picks and prospects.

 

[Gecklund]

I think Garland is a better, younger version of Barabanov and acquiring him would allow us to trade Barabanov at the deadline and still have a top six wing for the next two years while Smith and Musty continue to develop.

I don’t think Garland is better. For a scoring winger that played 15 more games than Barabanov and only offers scoring, I’d expect him to outperform Barabanov. He did not.

I’d rather either pick one up in FA or get assets for a cap dump. Not add an extra 5M to our payroll for the next 2 years.

Because we're more likely to trade Barabanov and Duclair as expiring UFAs this TDL than sign them long-term. Offers another NHL player to help bring the kids along as we stockpile more picks and prospects.

Okay then sign one in FA or get paid to take on a cap dump.

 

[STL Shark]

I don’t think Garland is better. For a scoring winger that played 15 more games than Barabanov and only offers scoring, I’d expect him to outperform Barabanov. He did not.

I’d rather either pick one up in FA or get assets for a cap dump. Not add an extra 5M to our payroll for the next 2 years.

Okay then sign one in FA or get paid to take on a cap dump.

Barabanov was 2.0 ES points per 60. Garland was 1.9 ES points per 60. Basically the same. Given he's also been at 2.6, 2.4, and 2.2 in 2022, 2021, and 2020, respectively, I don't think that characterization re: Garland vs Barabanov is entirely fair/accurate.

 

[Hodge]

I don’t think Garland is better. For a scoring winger that played 15 more games than Barabanov and only offers scoring, I’d expect him to outperform Barabanov. He did not.

I’d rather either pick one up in FA or get assets for a cap dump. Not add an extra 5M to our payroll for the next 2 years.

Okay then sign one in FA or get paid to take on a cap dump.

Outperformed in what way? Garland has been buried on the Canucks depth chart so he was averaging 3 fewer minutes per game than Barbie. In terms of 5v5 points per 60 over the last 3 years, Garland is up there with some of the most efficient scorers in the league. I think he can be an excellent second liner at the very least and he's young enough that he should play at that level for the next 5 or 6 years