Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[TheBeard]

Things slowly happening?

Sounds like Grier lowered his asking price

 

[Sysreq]

The 2022 draft trade down is looking horrible now as well, but I think all the blame for that goes to the nepotism baby's terrible prospect evaluations for the draft rather than Grier.

Ehh. I don't think it's that bad honestly. Filip Bystedt and Cam Lund versus Conor Geekie? I mean there was really nobody taken sooner that I would describe as clearly better than what we got. Geekie himself is hardly a stud. Had they traded for picks 13 and 16 to take Noah Ostlund and Frank Nazar would you still feel the same? I like our picks better than those guys without even factoring the size advantage. The end of the day it's all Tim Burke anyways. The rest is just window dressing.

 

[Sendhelplease]

The 2022 draft trade down is looking horrible now as well, but I think all the blame for that goes to the nepotism baby's terrible prospect evaluations for the draft rather than Grier.

I disagree, it obviously far too early to make any declarative assessments of the draft but it seems like Bystedt and Lund both have the tools to become successful NHLers. Havelid has disappointed me but he has been injured quite often. Fisher seems like a bust but we always suck at drafting in the 3rd round. Of the later picks I like Furlong the best but you shouldn't expect anyone drafted past the first round to make the NHL.

 

[Hodge]

The 2022 draft trade down is looking horrible now as well, but I think all the blame for that goes to the nepotism baby's terrible prospect evaluations for the draft rather than Grier.

Lol what are you even talking about? In what way does that look "horrible now"?

 

[Mattb124]

This thread has taken an embarrassing turn.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Lol what are you even talking about? In what way does that look "horrible now"?

Bystedt, Lund, and Havelid all stink.

 

[Hangemhigh]

It's true, check out this poem Mike Grier dedicated to Kunin:

In the rink's hushed embrace,
where echoes dwell,
A melody unfurls, a tale to tell.
Through icy winds and puck's swift flight,
A voice emerges, pure and bright.
In teal and white, where dreams take flight,
A songbird soars, igniting the night.
Luke Kunin, thy voice, a symphony bold,
In San Jose's heart, forever enfold.
With every note, a goal is scored,
In Sharks' domain, you are adored.
From blade to string, from ice to air,
Your anthem rises, beyond compare.
Oh, Kunin, sing! Let your chorus resound,
In every corner, let your praise be found.
For in your song, the Sharks unite,
In victory's glow, we take our flight.
Mike Grier's pen, in homage, inscribes,
A paean to you, where passion thrives.
In San Jose's realm, forevermore,
Luke Kunin's song, the Sharks adore.

I want to keep Kunin now.

 

[Hodge]

Bystedt, Lund, and Havelid all stink.

So does Conor Geekie. What's your point?

 

[Groo]

I’m bored, let’s make a moooove.

Busta move.

 

[coooldude]

To TBL: Duclair and 2025 7th
To SJS: Jack Thompson and 2024 3rd.

Athletic says Grier got market value. Thompson has a ceiling as a right shot third pairing D.

 

[Jargon]

one way I cope with shocking things in life or just plain ol obstacles is to accept the things that happen and proceed with the new information I have.

So, with that said…

I’m counting Couture out for most of next season. Hertl is gone. Currently, our only two real centers are Granlund and, if they decide to keep him there, Eklund. Labanc, Barbie and Hoffman are gone.

What does this team look like next season? We have a ton of cap space. Who do you pursue? Which rookie do you bring up? I think Musty gets a chance, he’s destroying the OHL. Does Smith? Guschin?

 

[Alaskanice]

I’m wondering if the Sharks are now looking at Ryan Johansen.

 

[Jargon]

I’m wondering if the Sharks are now looking at Ryan Johansen.

Boy I hope not

 

[coooldude]

Grier mentioned the financial flexibility that getting rid of Hertl's term gives us in terms of being more active in free agency or random one-off trades... Of course he mentioned Jumbo, which is just a historic outlier trade, but depending on our lottery luck it does sound like they might try to pull the plane out of the nose dive earlier than expected.

I also hope we don't look at Ryan Johansen.

 

[Jargon]

Grier mentioned the financial flexibility that getting rid of Hertl's term gives us in terms of being more active in free agency or random one-off trades... Of course he mentioned Jumbo, which is just a historic outlier trade, but depending on our lottery luck it does sound like they might try to pull the plane out of the nose dive earlier than expected.

I also hope we don't look at Ryan Johansen.

I got the same impression. We don’t have a ton to trade with, since I’m guessing he doesn’t want to use prospects or picks right now, but i can see him throwing money at some FAs.

 

[Hodge]

It's going to be fascinating to see how Grier uses all of our cap space in the offseason. This roster for example has over $31 million available to fill 3-4 roster spots (Couture is on IR still counting against the cap too):

 

[tahoesharksfan]

one way I cope with shocking things in life or just plain ol obstacles is to accept the things that happen and proceed with the new information I have.

I’m sure I’m much older than you and I have never been able to find a way to do this, congrats! I’m still trying to figure out why things that make no sense to me are so acceptable to others…

 

[one2gamble]

He has nothing to trade with anymore so we are building with picks.

This is going to be a long one.

 

[Jargon]

I’m sure I’m much older than you and I have never been able to find a way to do this, congrats! I’m still trying to figure out why things that make no sense to me are so acceptable to others…

I’m 40, so maybe not?!

But yeah, thanks! I’m a filmmaker and things are constantly going wrong in a film set, it’s nonstop chaos, and what I quickly learned was that when they did go wrong, I could fret about it and complain and spiral — which would just waste more time and honestly provide nothing, or I could just go okay, how do we fix it and move on?

It was honestly the best life lesson I ever learned and it changed my approach to… everything.

 

[Jargon]

It's going to be fascinating to see how Grier uses all of our cap space in the offseason. This roster for example has over $31 million available to fill 3-4 roster spots (Couture is on IR still counting against the cap too):

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lol that team is so so so bad

I kinda think Musty may make the team over Smith, but I could be wrong.

But yeah, I suspect he’s going to try and get a steadying top 4 to pair with Muhk, who I think will be up next year. I can also see him getting a top 6 center and some hardworking grindery vets.

I think the way to figure out who they’re going to try and sign is to look at the FA list and see which available players are known to have good work ethic and be “hard to play against”.

 

[Jargon]

I think they should just go for it and run this:

Eklund - Granlund - Zetterlund
Musty - Smith - Guschin
Zadina - Bystedt - Kunin
Kostin - Sturm - Givanni Smith

Muhk - Pesce
Ferraro - DeMelo
Thrun - Benning

If Smith isn’t ready, just get Stamkos…

 

[Hodge]

I think they should just go for it and run this:

Eklund - Granlund - Zetterlund
Musty - Smith - Guschin
Zadina - Bystedt - Kunin
Kostin - Sturm - Givanni Smith

Muhk - Pesce
Ferraro - DeMelo
Thrun - Benning

If Smith isn’t ready, just get Stamkos…

I'm with you on the forwards but I just don't see the point of signing Pesce to a long term contract right after getting rid of Hertl's. Not to mention he (and any other UFA with options) would likely have no interest in signing with the Sharks.

 

[Karl Prime]

Stamkos is definitely not signing in SJ. He will have his option of contending teams if he doesn't stay in Tampa.

 

[Jargon]

I'm with you on the forwards but I just don't see the point of signing Pesce to a long term contract right after getting rid of Hertl's. Not to mention he (and any other UFA with options) would likely have no interest in signing with the Sharks.

Yeah you’re probably right. It comes from my desire of seeing a defense that is even a little capable.

Stamkos is definitely not signing in SJ. He will have his option of contending teams if he doesn't stay in Tampa.

No I know I was too lazy to put the finger in mouth emoticon. Most FAs won’t want to sign here. I half expect Duclair to be back and I imagine there’ll be a stopgap older fringe top 6 center unless they really think Smith is ready.

 

[Hodge]

I think we should just copy what Chicago is doing and overpay veteran depth players for leadership. Offer Kyle Okposo 5 million on a 1 year deal or something. There's also the Goodrow option.