Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Juxtaposer]

Brady Tkachuk is only a year younger than Timo Meier when we traded him. Hard pass.

 

[Sendhelplease]

If this team was close to being ready to contend I would be willing to trade what is essentially the three first round picks in this offer for Tkachuk. I think we are 2 years away from making this type of move even though Tkachuk is a great player. I also don't see why he would want to come to SJ after being on a bad team his entire career.

So apparently Brady Tkachuk is unhappy in Ottawa. He played for Quinn at BU.

I would give up a lot if he's willing to come here. Could the Pens 1st, our 2nd, Eklund and Mukhamadullin get it done?

 

[timorous me]

He stepped into the NHL as an 18 (?) year old and has remained. He is the de facto leader on Ottawa. One can hope we find that kind of player or get that kind of player. He’s that whichever sweater he pulls on.

Here's the way I see it: Sure, he'd make the Sharks better, but how much better? The team he's surrounded by in Ottawa right now is better than the team he'd be surrounded by if he came to the Sharks, and the whole problem for him with Ottawa is that they're not good enough and haven't been good enough.

Of course the Sharks can and should get better over the coming years, but if it means losing guys like Mukh and Eklund in the process of getting Tkachuk, the progress toward getting better will be slowed down, and getting meaningfully better (rebuilding) in hockey is a notably slow process as it is.

 

[Alaskanice]

Here's the way I see it: Sure, he'd make the Sharks better, but how much better? The team he's surrounded by in Ottawa right now is better than the team he'd be surrounded by if he came to the Sharks, and the whole problem for him with Ottawa is that they're not good enough and haven't been good enough.

Of course the Sharks can and should get better over the coming years, but if it means losing guys like Mukh and Eklund in the process of getting Tkachuk, the progress toward getting better will be slowed down, and getting meaningfully better (rebuilding) in hockey is a notably slow process as it is.

He’s the kind of player MGGM wants on this team. The kind of player to build around. Meier was traded because he was going to require a long term contract. Brady has 4 more years. A player like Musty could learn a lot from Tkachuk. That’s my thought. As for losing Ek or Muk, I don’t think that’d be done by Grier.

 

[Jargon]

He’s the kind of player MGGM wants on this team. The kind of player to build around. Meier was traded because he was going to require a long term contract. Brady has 4 more years. A player like Musty could learn a lot from Tkachuk. That’s my thought. As for losing Ek or Muk, I don’t think that’d be done by Grier.

I mean, I’d take him if it’s reasonable but I really don’t want to give up any of our top prospects and he sure as hell is worth our top prospects, so I don’t see a deal here.

 

[mogambomoroo]

You only trade for Brady, If It's a Thorntonesque steal of a deal. Other wise just keep doing what you are doing. Build from the home grown talent and add/trade when it starts working.

 

[DG93]

I'd love a guy like Brady Tkachuk on this team, but it's too early. He has 4 years left on his deal, and if he was being traded during the 2026 offseason, that'd be the perfect time to offer up a 2026 top-10 1st round pick + Musty package for example.

You would be able to sell him on a core of Smith, Eklund, Celebrini, Mukh, the Pens 2024 top-15 pick, our 2025 1st round pick, and maybe a surprise development (or Perrault from the Hertl for Perrault + Goodrow trade proposed previously) core that we have built and could use a 27-year-old top-6 winger who is a perfect captain. Then you role out Tkachuk-Smith-Perrault, whoever-Celebrini-Eklund + Mukh and 2025 top-3 pick on the backend and have a legit promising fun team.

Right now though? Okay, let's say they trade Eklund, Mukh, Pens 1st for him. So we're basically hoping to land Celebrini and sell Tkachuk on Macklin, Smith, and an otherwise once again empty prospect pool given that you just traded 3 important pieces from it? I don't see it.

 

[landshark]

Sharks are a Primeau and Stuart short of tradey-for-Brady. I guess Sturm, Ferarro and Barbar would work. Throw in the Devil's pick too... if it ain't that cheap, Sharks shouldn't be interested.

 

[mogambomoroo]

To Be Honest, only real answer to Brady deal would be trade to Florida. That would be a nightmare for other teams, having two Tkachuks to keep take of. Just imagine having them on separate lines holy s*** It's a winner team.

 

[STL Shark]

To Be Honest, only real answer to Brady deal would be trade to Florida. That would be a nightmare for other teams, having two Tkachuks to keep take of. Just imagine having them on separate lines holy s*** It's a winner team.

He's going to strong arm his way to STL if he moves. Blues need a guy like him to build around and can offer Ottawa a non-rebuild package similar to what FLA did to Calgary. He spends a lot of time here in the summer and has a lot of folks here (happen to work with one of his buddies from growing up).

 

[LadyStanley]

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[Chinaski89]

It’s clear to me that some of the posters here don’t have any first hand experience with coke. It would extremely foolish to bring a known user into any locker room.

If that’s the case then I guarantee a minimum of 5 Sharks will be excused from the locker room. Half the league uses cocaine.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Hodge]

There's no guarantee that Brady Tkachuk will be a good, net-positive-value player in 2030.

You think he's going to fall off a cliff before he turns 30? I mean, a career ending injury is always possible with his playing style but this is a unicorn power forward whose dad was an effective top six scorer until age 38.

Brady is 3 years younger than Meier, a better player and a legit Owen Nolan type leader. Eklund and Mukhamadullin along with some mediocre picks is a pretty small price to pay IMO assuming Brady's willing to play for the Sharks. Probably depends on his relationship with Quinn and how much the Tkachuk family trusts Quinn and Grier. It's very easy to replace 90% of what a player like Eklund does through free agency but almost impossible to find a Brady Tkachuk.

I understand the timing argument but you don't get to choose when players like this become available. And, again, he's still very young and can help players like Smith and our 2024 1st develop.

 

[STL Shark]

You think he's going to fall off a cliff before he turns 30? I mean, a career ending injury is always possible with his playing style but this is a unicorn power forward whose dad was an effective top six scorer until age 38.

Brady is 3 years younger than Meier, a better player and a legit Owen Nolan type leader. Eklund and Mukhamadullin along with some mediocre picks is a pretty small price to pay IMO assuming Brady's willing to play for the Sharks. Probably depends on his relationship with Quinn and how much the Tkachuk family trusts Quinn and Grier. It's very easy to replace 90% of what a player like Eklund does through free agency but almost impossible to find a Brady Tkachuk.

I understand the timing argument but you don't get to choose when players like this become available. And, again, he's still very young and can help players like Smith and our 2024 1st develop.

You're not getting him until 38 though. You get him for 4 years where you're not going to be competitive because you're blowing up a rebuild to trade for him with literally nobody else around him and no assets to build anything around him.

Trade for Tkachuk and you still have no defense, a piss poor forward group, and now no assets (except for money) to fill any of those holes. Tkachuk is the move that coming out of 2019 you make with Karlsson re-signed and trying to reload the roster on the fly. It's a tire fire move to make now when you're just about to bottom out.

 

[Hodge]

You're not getting him until 38 though. You get him for 4 years where you're not going to be competitive because you're blowing up a rebuild to trade for him with literally nobody else around him and no assets to build anything around him.

Trade for Tkachuk and you still have no defense, a piss poor forward group, and now no assets (except for money) to fill any of those holes. Tkachuk is the move that coming out of 2019 you make with Karlsson re-signed and trying to reload the roster on the fly. It's a tire fire move to make now when you're just about to bottom out.

How is the trade I proposed blowing up the rebuild? We're upgrading from Eklund to Tkachuk (who is only 3 years older btw) and giving up two picks unlikely to amount to much plus Mukhamadullin to do it.

We should absolutely still clear out Hertl, Ferraro, Couture, Granlund, etc. and continue aiming to draft high next year and probably 2026 as well. Add those 2-3 top picks to Smith and Tkachuk, use the ~$50M in available cap space and other surplus future assets to acquire defensemen and we could easily be competitive again by 2027.

Worst case scenario, we're still hopeless in 3 years and Tkachuk doesn't want to re-sign in which case we recoup most of what we traded for him and continue rebuilding. There isn't much risk here unless Ottawa demands Smith or our own 2024 1st which should be non-starters.

 

[STL Shark]

How is the trade I proposed blowing up the rebuild? We're upgrading from Eklund to Tkachuk (who is only 3 years older btw) and giving up two picks unlikely to amount to much plus Mukhamadullin to do it.

We should absolutely still clear out Hertl, Ferraro, Couture, Granlund, etc. and continue aiming to draft high next year and probably 2026 as well. Add those 2-3 top picks to Smith and Tkachuk, use the ~$50M in available cap space and other surplus future assets to acquire defensemen and we could easily be competitive again by 2027.

Worst case scenario, we're still hopeless in 3 years and Tkachuk doesn't want to re-sign in which case we recoup most of what we traded for him and continue rebuilding. There isn't much risk here unless Ottawa demands Smith or our own 2024 1st which should be non-starters.

Muk and Eklund are 2 big building blocks. Dumping them both for a 4 year window where you have basically nothing else is just dumb. If you were going to trade Muk and Eklund for Tkachuk, you aren't trading Karlsson last summer. The goal for this rebuild is to open up another decade plus window rather than blow your load on a guy that's 4 years from UFA and not a draft pick with ties to the organization (decreasing likelihood of signing long term given his brother literally strong armed his way out of Calgary).

Like I don't get how Tkachuk really make us any better in any meaningful way because we still don't have a single top 4 defenseman on the roster and now have nobody internally that even projects to be that without Muk. 1 player isn't moving the needle from one of the worst teams in cap era history to outside of the bottom 5. Moves like this are how you wind up in purgatory of rebuilding for over a decade. There is finally a defined plan to rebuild, ride it out and make it worthwhile rather than dumping 2 of the top 4 assets we've acquired in the rebuild.

The path is very clear and very simple. Finish selling off pieces over the next 12 months and go into 2025-26 with $70M in cap space and Smith, Eklund, Muk, 2024 top pick, and 2025 top pick comprising key roles while you fill in the rest with UFAs and trades that opens up a 10 year window rather than a 2 year window.

 

[Hodge]

Muk and Eklund are 2 big building blocks. Dumping them both for a 4 year window where you have basically nothing else is just dumb. If you were going to trade Muk and Eklund for Tkachuk, you aren't trading Karlsson last summer. The goal for this rebuild is to open up another decade plus window rather than blow your load on a guy that's 4 years from UFA and not a draft pick with ties to the organization (decreasing likelihood of signing long term given his brother literally strong armed his way out of Calgary).

Like I don't get how Tkachuk really make us any better in any meaningful way because we still don't have a single top 4 defenseman on the roster and now have nobody internally that even projects to be that without Muk. 1 player isn't moving the needle from one of the worst teams in cap era history to outside of the bottom 5. Moves like this are how you wind up in purgatory of rebuilding for over a decade. There is finally a defined plan to rebuild, ride it out and make it worthwhile rather than dumping 2 of the top 4 assets we've acquired in the rebuild.

The path is very clear and very simple. Finish selling off pieces over the next 12 months and go into 2025-26 with $70M in cap space and Smith, Eklund, Muk, 2024 top pick, and 2025 top pick comprising key roles while you fill in the rest with UFAs and trades that opens up a 10 year window rather than a 2 year window.

Karlsson is 10 years older than Tkachuk. It doesn't make any sense to build around those two players on the same timeline.

Eklund and Shak are going to be good NHL players but I wouldn't call them building blocks. Tkachuk is a building block. You can typically sign a second line winger and second pair defenseman in free agency every summer without breaking the bank. Big power forwards who can consistently score 35+35, lead the league in hits and intimidate opponents/drop the gloves when necessary are one of the rarest and most valuable player types in the sport.

Connor McDavid wouldn't make the Sharks better overnight either but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue an opportunity to acquire him. The purpose of a rebuild is just to acquire great players and that doesn't necessarily need to be done through the draft.

 

[Jargon]

I got this in my email today from “SJ Sharks Update” and this obviously AI written headline made me laugh.

Guys, I’m worried we won’t make the playoffs.

 

[sharski]

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I got this in my email today from “SJ Sharks Update” and this obviously AI written headline made me laugh.

Guys, I’m worried we won’t make the playoffs.

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+1200 for the sharks making the playoffs is ridiculous, surprised it's not at least 10x that

 

[Jargon]

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+1200 for the sharks making the playoffs is ridiculous, surprised it's not at least 10x that

I still have hope. If we go on a run and everyone in the league loses every game from now on, there’s still a chance.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Karlsson is 10 years older than Tkachuk. It doesn't make any sense to build around those two players on the same timeline.

Eklund and Shak are going to be good NHL players but I wouldn't call them building blocks. Tkachuk is a building block. You can typically sign a second line winger and second pair defenseman in free agency every summer without breaking the bank. Big power forwards who can consistently score 35+35, lead the league in hits and intimidate opponents/drop the gloves when necessary are one of the rarest and most valuable player types in the sport.

Connor McDavid wouldn't make the Sharks better overnight either but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue an opportunity to acquire him. The purpose of a rebuild is just to acquire great players and that doesn't necessarily need to be done through the draft.

There is some logic to this plan, but I wouldn't pull it off until I had at least one other building block in place.

 

[Hodge]

There is some logic to this plan, but I wouldn't pull it off until I had at least one other building block in place.

In addition to the building block we're getting with our top pick this year?

IMO a core of Tkachuk, Smith and Celebrini or Levshunov is one you can immediately start building a contender around.

 

[OrrNumber4]

In addition to the building block we're getting with our top pick this year?

IMO a core of Tkachuk, Smith and Celebrini or Levshunov is one you can immediately start building a contender around.

Don't know what that pick is going to be, and Celebrini is the only "sure-fire" building block.

 

[TheBeard]

In addition to the building block we're getting with our top pick this year?

IMO a core of Tkachuk, Smith and Celebrini or Levshunov is one you can immediately start building a contender around.

I think if you can make this trade post lotto when we know we're picking 1 then I'm fine with it, but not risking it until then.