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Le Rosbeef said:
EDIT; Gah, he's not eligible for an offer sheet. I'll get my coat...

A) I think Nikishin is the perfect add. He's got so many tools.
B) He's an RFA - say he was given 7 years at 9m (which I would do) - that would be an offer sheet Carolina would have to think carefully about matching. Comp on that would 'only' be a first, a second and a third. Not likely the Sharks would offer sheet him but some might - somewhat caps the ask, imo.

If it was 9oa and 62 and a prospect we signed him to an immediate long term deal at around the 9m AAV mark, I would be extremely happy. That said, I can't see why Carolina would necessarily benefit from that - they are going to be defending their cup...
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Because they already have their whole cup roster pretty much resigned and Nikishin was not a significant part of it at all in the POs. they can go at it for the cup wit hthe same roster AND get the #9 pick to keep the party going. Carolina doesnt need NHL pieces. Imagine winning the cup, keeping virtually the same team together, and picking at 9. That's unreal.

For the Sharks, I am mixed. 1 year of NHL experience playing 18 mins/gm and being the #6/7 in the POs is not a proven track record to flip the #9 and offer a big $ long term extension. Yes, his KHL play is exceptional and he shows every sign of being a top pair in the NHL, but it's a risky move.

That said, I'm all for it, especially if he can play comfortably on the right side. Nikishin could end up a bona fide NHL superstar and getting him on a 7x7m extension could transform the team and give the sharks the best #1D contract in the league. Risky, but worth it?
 
themelkman said:
I don't trust it. Carolina has my fav management team in the league.

If they deal a guy, they will probably be getting the better of you.
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yea he didn't look close to KAndre Miller who they got for condition 1st and a second to tempt me to put in our 9OA. At the same time, I wonder if there's a young D that can play now for 9OA available which is likely no. Part of what make Tulsky great is he doesn't overpay often and when they did for Ehlers is when they just need an extra piece to get over the hump. Grier seems to have a similar cautious approach. Grier either moved up for 9OA for Byram or to take someone at that spot. He's no Tulsky at this point but I like Grier's moves mostly so far. Grier mentioned positive things with the LD pipeline in his media.

Both Miller and Dobson were better trade value and contract than what Byram will get. I think I feel good with missing on Byram and Nikishin the way the prices are going and make the picks and wait for the market to shake out. Even what the Sharks offered for Byram was more than KAndre Miller altho I get Byram had more points and PO before trade but Miller was just better at defense. Byram did have a great PO series vs Bruins but he fell back just like in regular season when he started strong then Power kinda took over. I don't see Nikishin in the same level as those 3 young guys from the POs.
 
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Jargon said:
If Grier got one “real interesting offer” for 2, what’s everyone guess?

I think we can deduce that it’s a defenseman on the younger side of things.

Broberg? Edvinsson?
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Just talking. Said similar things last year. Hes not gunna move #2 now. Stenberg fits so nicely and he's a #1OA talent who is perfectly NHL ready. The sharks dont deal Eklund if they dont intend Stenberg.

Obvious if Buffalo offers Dahlin or something like that, it can change, but I would bet 90%+, Stenberg is a shark. And I love it. I've been team stenberg since the start as the obvious BPA. He's our Kucherov to partner with our existing Stamkos.

#9 is the fodder to add an NHL dman if he wants to get a U25 top pair guy in here. #2 is done.
 
sampler said:
Just talking. Said similar things last year. Hes not gunna move #2 now. Stenberg fits so nicely and he's a #1OA talent who is perfectly NHL ready. The sharks dont deal Eklund if they dont intend Stenberg.

Obvious if Buffalo offers Dahlin or something like that, it can change, but I would bet 90%+, Stenberg is a shark. And I love it. I've been team stenberg since the start as the obvious BPA. He's our Kucherov to partner with our existing Stamkos.

#9 is the fodder to add an NHL dman if he wants to get a U25 top pair guy in here. #2 is done.
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I mostly agree but if he gets some nutty offer from a desperate team, it’s certainly worth considering. I can’t imagine what that is, though, it would have to be Mo Seider-adjacent.
 
I wonder Nikishin's trade value? Seems all over the place. His PO's are cause for concern as is just the1 yer NHL experience, but the upside is so attractive. I'm sure grier is kicking the tires. But, I doubt he trades #9 for such an unproven, risky asset.

You know what, Cagnoni could be an interesting piece in a Nikishin Deal. We know Carolina has no problem with smurfs. Cagnoni+Bystedt+27+62 could get the ball rollin'.
 
Surfer Dude said:
yea he didn't look close to KAndre Miller who they got for condition 1st and a second to tempt me to put in our 9OA. At the same time, I wonder if there's a young D that can play now for 9OA available which is likely no. Part of what make Tulsky great is he doesn't overpay often and when they did for Ehlers is when they just need an extra piece to get over the hump. Grier seems to have a similar cautious approach. Grier either moved up for 9OA for Byram or to take someone at that spot. He's no Tulsky at this point but I like Grier's moves mostly so far. Grier mentioned positive things with the LD pipeline in his media.

Both Miller and Dobson were better trade value and contract than what Byram will get. I think I feel good with missing on Byram and Nikishin the way the prices are going and make the picks and wait for the market to shake out. Even what the Sharks offered for Byram was more than KAndre Miller altho I get Byram had more points and PO before trade but Miller was just better at defense. Byram did have a great PO series vs Bruins but he fell back just like in regular season when he started strong then Power kinda took over. I don't see Nikishin in the same level as those 3 young guys from the POs.
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I don't think Grier has the data background to get on Tulskys level, but if he trusts in his analytics team a little more I think he can emulate it.
 
sampler said:
Just talking. Said similar things last year. Hes not gunna move #2 now. Stenberg fits so nicely and he's a #1OA talent who is perfectly NHL ready. The sharks dont deal Eklund if they dont intend Stenberg.

Obvious if Buffalo offers Dahlin or something like that, it can change, but I would bet 90%+, Stenberg is a shark. And I love it. I've been team stenberg since the start as the obvious BPA. He's our Kucherov to partner with our existing Stamkos.

#9 is the fodder to add an NHL dman if he wants to get a U25 top pair guy in here. #2 is done.
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How does Stenberg fit nicely though? We don't need a Macklin running mate. So we're using a #2 overall pick for a guy that is going to play 2nd line minutes? That is a waste of the asset compared to filling the defense void given how hard and expensive defense is to find and how easy it is to find 2nd line wingers (particularly those that are 5'11 and lacking an elite shot/skating).

If this was 3 years from now and we needed to lock in a cheap NHL ready piece in the middle 6 due to cap constraints, Stenberg makes sense. That is not an issue right now though and he will be on a 2nd contract at the same time that Celebrini, Smith, Misa, and Chernyshov are (plus Graf and Sherwood).

People see an open winger slot and just assume he has to fill it when there are so many other/better ways to acquire a player for that spot that would actually offer something different to the group that we needed even before we dealt Eklund (namely size and net front ability so Wennberg is not your net front PP1 guy).
 
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STL Shark said:
How does Stenberg fit nicely though? We don't need a Macklin running mate. So we're using a #2 overall pick for a guy that is going to play 2nd line minutes? That is a waste of the asset compared to filling the defense void given how hard and expensive defense is to find and how easy it is to find 2nd line wingers (particularly those that are 5'11 and lacking an elite shot/skating).

If this was 3 years from now and we needed to lock in a cheap NHL ready piece in the middle 6 due to cap constraints, Stenberg makes sense. That is not an issue right now though and he will be on a 2nd contract at the same time that Celebrini, Smith, Misa, and Chernyshov are (plus Graf and Sherwood).

People see an open winger slot and just assume he has to fill it when there are so many other/better ways to acquire a player for that spot that would actually offer something different to the group that we needed even before we dealt Eklund (namely size and net front ability so Wennberg is not your net front PP1 guy).
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lol you think Stenberg isn't an elite, top line, NHL ready talent. That's pretty funny.
 
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STL Shark said:
How does Stenberg fit nicely though? We don't need a Macklin running mate. So we're using a #2 overall pick for a guy that is going to play 2nd line minutes? That is a waste of the asset compared to filling the defense void given how hard and expensive defense is to find and how easy it is to find 2nd line wingers (particularly those that are 5'11 and lacking an elite shot/skating).

If this was 3 years from now and we needed to lock in a cheap NHL ready piece in the middle 6 due to cap constraints, Stenberg makes sense. That is not an issue right now though and he will be on a 2nd contract at the same time that Celebrini, Smith, Misa, and Chernyshov are (plus Graf and Sherwood).

People see an open winger slot and just assume he has to fill it when there are so many other/better ways to acquire a player for that spot that would actually offer something different to the group that we needed even before we dealt Eklund (namely size and net front ability so Wennberg is not your net front PP1 guy).
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Given the premiums teams are paying for young Ds, I'd rather just take 2 Ds with our picks and hope at least one of them hit hard and most likely both are good enough to be in our top 4 for PO. If not they should still be worth a lot as asset to upgrade the team. Heck if Belchetz hits, a 6'5 PF is perhaps more valuable and he's likely there at 9OA. Stenberg just looks so vanilla to me as a top 2 pick despite the production.

Rather use later 1st to take wings like we did with Cherny like Gleb to get pucks and net front that fits.
 
STL Shark said:
How does Stenberg fit nicely though? We don't need a Macklin running mate. So we're using a #2 overall pick for a guy that is going to play 2nd line minutes? That is a waste of the asset compared to filling the defense void given how hard and expensive defense is to find and how easy it is to find 2nd line wingers (particularly those that are 5'11 and lacking an elite shot/skating).

If this was 3 years from now and we needed to lock in a cheap NHL ready piece in the middle 6 due to cap constraints, Stenberg makes sense. That is not an issue right now though and he will be on a 2nd contract at the same time that Celebrini, Smith, Misa, and Chernyshov are (plus Graf and Sherwood).

People see an open winger slot and just assume he has to fill it when there are so many other/better ways to acquire a player for that spot that would actually offer something different to the group that we needed even before we dealt Eklund (namely size and net front ability so Wennberg is not your net front PP1 guy).
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I think it's Stenberg's two-way game that is a major factor here. He is ready to make a jump now and has all the tools to become top 6 player right away. I think he'll likely be paired with one of Celebrini or Misa, Smith with one of the other and lucky pair gets Cherny as third wheel. He probably starts the year with Wennberg to get his feet wet.
 
STL Shark said:
How does Stenberg fit nicely though? We don't need a Macklin running mate. So we're using a #2 overall pick for a guy that is going to play 2nd line minutes? That is a waste of the asset compared to filling the defense void given how hard and expensive defense is to find and how easy it is to find 2nd line wingers (particularly those that are 5'11 and lacking an elite shot/skating).

If this was 3 years from now and we needed to lock in a cheap NHL ready piece in the middle 6 due to cap constraints, Stenberg makes sense. That is not an issue right now though and he will be on a 2nd contract at the same time that Celebrini, Smith, Misa, and Chernyshov are (plus Graf and Sherwood).

People see an open winger slot and just assume he has to fill it when there are so many other/better ways to acquire a player for that spot that would actually offer something different to the group that we needed even before we dealt Eklund (namely size and net front ability so Wennberg is not your net front PP1 guy).
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If the offer for #2 was good enough, then sure. I mean, anything is on the table for anyone if the offer is good enough, even Mack.

But, Stenberg seems to be a legit stud. Of course, if Dallas came at us with Robertson and Harley, that would be interesting.
 
sampler said:
If the offer for #2 was good enough, then sure. I mean, anything is on the table for anyone if the offer is good enough, even Mack.

But, Stenberg seems to be a legit stud. Of course, if Dallas came at us with Robertson and Harley, that would be interesting.
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2OA + 27OA for Robertson and Harley, I’m in.
 
Word coming out of Carolina is they are shopping Nikishin.

Now THAT is a guy i would call about to see what they want. he's not worth 2nd OA, but i could see a package with 9OA for him.
 
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