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henchman21 said:
Nuke's is only public knowledge because of the police report. If there wasn't a situation where the woman needed medical treatment, it wouldn't be in the public sphere today. That's why teams have handlers and bury things... it keeps the illusion of the high character, good guys.

Kuznetsov's coke issue is only public because of a dummy taking video and the IIHF jumping in for a 'random' drug test. If that video never existed, then we'd likely never know.

Miller... IMO fans react much more to it than his teammates would. Miller is outspoken and brash, but it is in a similar manner to MacK. He wants to win and has high standards... and is very vocal about it. There are plenty of guys like that around the league and it is more of a Vancouver media creation that he is this terrible person and leader. What he really is, is a guy who takes charge. There was a leadership vacuum because Horvat was a terrible captain, and Miller stepped up to the plate. There are a lot of guys on that team who really saw Miller as the captain and speak very highly of him. He's also a very old school hockey bro... trash talker, pranks, hazing (not in a harsh manner so much as ritual) sort of guy. In a similar way to Byram actually that is praised. It is a fine line between villain and hero.
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I don’t know about that.

I think Miller is legitimately disliked by a chunk of his teammates. That’s not the case with MacKinnon. MacK is a hot head sometimes because he’s such a competitor, but he’s a great teammate and very selfless.

He’s the first one to hype up Makar, or Rantanen. MacKinnon’s never jealous of those guys success. That’s not what I see with Miller. I think Miller is threatened by other players success. Way bigger ego than MacKinnon.
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
I don’t know about that.

I think Miller is legitimately disliked by a chunk of his teammates. That’s not the case with MacKinnon. MacK is a hot head sometimes because he’s such a competitor, but he’s a great teammate and very selfless.

He’s the first one to hype up Makar, or Rantanen. MacKinnon’s never jealous of those guys success. That’s not what I see with Miller. I think Miller is threatened by other players success. Way bigger ego than MacKinnon.
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You're fooling yourself if you think MacK is universally liked by everyone.

The narrative about Miller is exaggerated. Is is disliked by some? Absolutely. But you don't need to be liked by everyone to be a leader or respected. He's not a bad teammate, he's demanding and he's an asshole... but that isn't uncommon in hockey. Not in the least.
 
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henchman21 said:
You're fooling yourself if you think MacK is universally liked by everyone.

The narrative about Miller is exaggerated. Is is disliked by some? Absolutely. But you don't need to be liked by everyone to be a leader or respected. He's not a bad teammate, he's demanding and he's an asshole... but that isn't uncommon in hockey. Not in the least.
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A demanding asshole is called a power bottom.

Nate's insane competitive nature is what makes him that way, so it's hard to judge him harshly on that. He's mostly humble to the press and saves all his maniac moments for where it counts. That Athletic article on him that goes way back to his days at Shattuck- St. Mary's gives you a great idea of how hard he is on himself, and people like that naturally expect more from others.

JT Miller is in that sphere, but he also seems like an asshole in general.
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
I don’t know about that.

I think Miller is legitimately disliked by a chunk of his teammates. That’s not the case with MacKinnon. MacK is a hot head sometimes because he’s such a competitor, but he’s a great teammate and very selfless.

He’s the first one to hype up Makar, or Rantanen. MacKinnon’s never jealous of those guys success. That’s not what I see with Miller. I think Miller is threatened by other players success. Way bigger ego than MacKinnon.
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Gumballhead said:
A demanding asshole is called a power bottom.

Nate's insane competitive nature is what makes him that way, so it's hard to judge him harshly on that. He's mostly humble to the press and saves all his maniac moments for where it counts. That Athletic article on him that goes way back to his days at Shattuck- St. Mary's gives you a great idea of how hard he is on himself, and people like that naturally expect more from others.

JT Miller is in that sphere, but he also seems like an asshole in general.
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I'm not saying Miller isn't... just saying that he's not abnormal in this world. A lot of his teammates like him... almost all respect him. Locker rooms are never 100% friends and everything is perfect. There are cliques, feuds, actual fights, bad blood, etc... but what matters is that they come together. It is like siblings... my brother is not my friend, we fight, bicker... but I always have his back. Miller is just that asshole older brother. Which is perfectly fine in how locker rooms tend to operate.

What is rather bizarre is the quieter you are and the less you like to party or go boozing, the worse teammate you are. Dougie Hamilton has a pretty bad rep as a teammate. Most fellow players find him arrogant and uppity. That he doesn't want to blend in. He won't go on a week long Vegas trip with the team to gamble and get blackout drunk. He'll be reading a book in the locker room instead of chirping his teammates (this is a real thing that got books banned in one of the locker rooms he was in). Yet he's a very polite and nice person... probably one of the nicest people in hockey (up there with Slavin who he got along with fantastically in Carolina). Being a good person does not necessarily make you a good teammate and being a bad person does not necessarily make you a bad teammate.
 
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henchman21 said:
I'm not saying Miller isn't... just saying that he's not abnormal in this world. A lot of his teammates like him... almost all respect him. Locker rooms are never 100% friends and everything is perfect. There are cliques, feuds, actual fights, bad blood, etc... but what matters is that they come together. It is like siblings... my brother is not my friend, we fight, bicker... but I always have his back. Miller is just that asshole older brother. Which is perfectly fine in how locker rooms tend to operate.

What is rather bizarre is the quieter you are and the less you like to party or go boozing, the worse teammate you are. Dougie Hamilton has a pretty bad rep as a teammate. Most fellow players find him arrogant and uppity. That he doesn't want to blend in. He won't go on a week long Vegas trip with the team to gamble and get blackout drunk. He'll be reading a book in the locker room instead of chirping his teammates (this is a real thing that got books banned in one of the locker rooms he was in). Yet he's a very polite and nice person... probably one of the nicest people in hockey (up there with Slavin who he got along with fantastically in Carolina). Being a good person does not necessarily make you a good teammate and being a bad person does not necessarily make you a bad teammate.
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Oh I wasn't disagreeing, I was more amplifying your point about Nate and making a distinction that Miller seems to be more of an actual dickhead. I would take him on the Avs in a second, if for no other reason than to quit hearing about the 2C tragedy on here.
 
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henchman21 said:
I'm not saying Miller isn't... just saying that he's not abnormal in this world. A lot of his teammates like him... almost all respect him. Locker rooms are never 100% friends and everything is perfect. There are cliques, feuds, actual fights, bad blood, etc... but what matters is that they come together. It is like siblings... my brother is not my friend, we fight, bicker... but I always have his back. Miller is just that asshole older brother. Which is perfectly fine in how locker rooms tend to operate.

What is rather bizarre is the quieter you are and the less you like to party or go boozing, the worse teammate you are. Dougie Hamilton has a pretty bad rep as a teammate. Most fellow players find him arrogant and uppity. That he doesn't want to blend in. He won't go on a week long Vegas trip with the team to gamble and get blackout drunk. He'll be reading a book in the locker room instead of chirping his teammates (this is a real thing that got books banned in one of the locker rooms he was in). Yet he's a very polite and nice person... probably one of the nicest people in hockey (up there with Slavin who he got along with fantastically in Carolina). Being a good person does not necessarily make you a good teammate and being a bad person does not necessarily make you a bad teammate.
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I've known people like that, just tap them on the shoulder and tell them it's time to roll. People think they don't care, because they seem ambivalent.

I've also known dudes that basically deal with all of the stress by returning the favor and acting flagrant. All the way to tea bagging the officers coffee cup in front of him, but the officer was warned lmao. (Side note he saved the officers life the next day) They're both amazing humans.

There is all types of characters out there lol.
 
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Freaky Styley said:
you could even potentially add Lindholm to that bunch. Unlike last summer/the deadline, there are C's available.
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This drives be nuts because that's absolutely not true. There were centers available. Miller, Kuznetsov, and Hayes from this list were clearly available. We had ROR, Horvat, Dach (if you believe in him as a C), Granlund, and Domi all move via trades. Strome (x2), Domi, and Kadri all sign. There are always capable centers available and the Avs could have had any of them if they were willing to make the moves.

Now I don't support all of those names, but to say the center market was dry is just absolutely incorrect.
 
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henchman21 said:
This drives be nuts because that's absolutely not true. There were centers available. Miller, Kuznetsov, and Hayes from this list were clearly available. We had ROR, Horvat, Dach (if you believe in him as a C), Granlund, and Domi all move via trades. Strome (x2), Domi, and Kadri all sign. There are always capable centers available and the Avs could have had any of them if they were willing to make the moves.

Now I don't support all of those names, but to say the center market was dry is just absolutely incorrect.
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I guess I meant C's that made sense for the Avs. It likely only works this year because of Landy's LTIR. The bolded are not guys who I would have wanted the team to spend the assets/cap space on or just didn't make sense for the Avs at the time. I think they've called about Miller a few times, and even though he reportedly asked for a trade I don't think Kuzy was available last year as Washington was still trying to compete (i got told as much when I brought up his name before the deadline).

Dach would have been nice, but we probably didn't have the assets the Blackhawks wanted. Which really leaves just one name, and that's Domi. Definitely a missed opportunity there. But let's not act like all of those guys would have been available/fit last season given our restrictions. On the other hand, the names mentioned this year all seem to fit the bill and the timing is right.

I'm certainly not excusing the lack of action, especially at the deadline.
 
Freaky Styley said:
I guess I meant C's that made sense for the Avs. It likely only works this year because of Landy's LTIR. The bolded are not guys who I would have wanted the team to spend the assets/cap space on or just didn't make sense for the Avs at the time. I think they've called about Miller a few times, and even though he reportedly asked for a trade I don't think Kuzy was available last year as Washington was still trying to compete (i got told as much when I brought up his name before the deadline).

Dach would have been nice, but we probably didn't have the assets the Blackhawks wanted. Which really leaves just one name, and that's Domi. Definitely a missed opportunity there. But let's not act like all of those guys would have been available/fit last season given our restrictions. On the other hand, the names mentioned this year all seem to fit the bill and the timing is right.

I'm certainly not excusing the lack of action, especially at the deadline.
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We can debate the merits of the names, but any of them (sand Granlund) would have been an improvement. Simply put though, the Avs didn't make a move because they didn't think it was worth it. That doesn't make that assessment right or wrong though.

On Kuznetsov... he's been available for nearly 3 years now (maybe 2 if my memory is failing). He's asked for a trade and even prior to that, his name was out there. I can't speak for who said he wasn't available... but he certainly has been and has been for a long time.
 
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Character and fit always come into the equation, but the Avs have taken chances on many questionable characters before... they don't target saints only. I don't see anything in Kuznetsov or Miller that would have the Avs shy away.
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Aka Nuke right now… if anything that whole situation will make them more conservative than they already were.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Columbus, Minnesota, St. Louis, Washington, Winnipeg.


Definitely a few teams we'd have to outbid. Columbus and St. Louis in particular will be tough competition.
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Columbus and St. Louis won't be trading for rentals, so that takes them out of the market for Dubois, Scheifele, and Henrique. I could be wrong, but I don't believe either of them are willing to sign Scheifele for what his asking price would be.

Minnesota has no cap and no way to make cap space. Winnipeg is the team selling centers, but they could be in the market for Hayes/Kuzy/Miller. Washington is a wildcard, but to me they've signaled they're willing to try and help break Ovie's record, but won't mortgage the future to do it.

Obviously there's buyers and teams to outbid, but there isn't a team desperate for the current centers on the market. There's no excuse if the Avs don't walk away with at least a low end #2C like Hayes/Henrique.
 
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