Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[Bill Peckerskull]

A much better option would be trading for Samuel Girard of the Colorado Avalanche. The Avs are up against it with the cap. In addition, Colorado needs forwards due to Gabriel Landeskog being out next season due to injury, as well as having six unrestricted free agents upfront. Because of this, there is a good chance one of the blue liners is moved this summer and that could be Girard.

Girard just turned 25 and is signed for the next four years with a cap hit of $5 million per season. This past year Girard had 6 Goals and 37 Points in 76 Games.

How would the Isles pull off a trade with Colorado for Girard is the question. After trading Aatu Raty in the Bo Horvat deal currently the Isles do not have what many would regard as a premium prospect in their pipeline. Also in terms of this year's upcoming Draft, the Isles only have one premium pick (2nd-round selection).

The Avs are going to want a young talented cap friendly forward along with a premium draft pick preferably a first-rounder. The forward that comes to mind is Oliver Wahlstrom. However, Walmstrom is currently penciled in the Isles's top-six and if the blue and orange are going to take that necessary forward leap offensively, odds are Wahlstrom would have a lot to do with that.

To land a player like Girard the Isles are limited in the tradable assets it would take to make a deal like that happen. Not sure what else the trade market would offer in terms of puck-moving defensemen but surely it's a short list at best as they are very hard to come by.

 

[Muffin]

I've been working on making my own analytics site with some differing features than other sites have, and I'm talking to a designer I've been working with for the last several years and he's on board. So I'm trying to show him the best analytics sites now so he can make something better...

I've shown him the following sites:

All Three Zones by Corey Sznajder

All Three Zones by Corey Sznajder

www.allthreezones.com

HockeyViz

Visualizations and predictions for understanding hockey.

hockeyviz.com

Evolving-Hockey

evolving-hockey.com

HockeyStatCards.com

I've been trying to find those little player cards that get posted on Twitter, but for the life of me I can't figure out where they are from. Is it The Athletic? Are there other sites that I've missed?

JFresh

 

[The Moops]

JFresh

That's the one! Thanks

 

[The Pwnerer]

Okay let's just go save Hayton+Crouse+Valimaki from an uncertain future.

Add Keller to that list. Looks like his dad is not a happy camper with the Arizona news.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Yeah I think the Islanders make sense for a trading partner with us as well... If they're on board with undersized Dmen.

Wahlstrom would be interesting but tbh I'd rather go after Brock Nelson. 2C solution at a reasonable cap hit and while he's north of 30, he's only signed for 2 more years so no long term commitment salary wise.


If Wahlstrom is the centerpiece I'd have to think we're getting another asset or two in the deal. Maybe Wahlstrom + NYI 2nd + some sort of B/C level prospect the Avs like.

 

[Bender]

The path is not THAT difficult if they are offering William Dufour as part of the package

 

[Freaky Styley]

A Girard for Nelson deal is one of those unremarkable but probably fair deals. I'd want something in addition for the significant age gap though. Maybe Bolduc?

 

[MacKaRant]

JFresh

The Athletic has player cards as well, but JFresh are more widespread in my estimation.

Also, The Athletic just pivoted away from their WAR-like model before the playoffs in favor of offensive total and defensive total, which I personally found disorienting and not as useful as their previous Game Score.

 

[Bender]

A Girard for Nelson deal is one of those unremarkable but probably fair deals. I'd want something in addition for the significant age gap though. Maybe Bolduc?

Yeah that would be my preference as well.

I think Nelson would do well as the #2C for the next 2 years. Solving the remaining holes in the lineup would become a lot easier but I think the Avs need clarity on Byram and Toews before they trade away Sammy G.

 

[Toothless Legend]

I'd love to find a way to get Brock Nelson off the Island, but it seems like the Isles are content to convert him to a full-time winger in the face of [a] Borzal tandem. If nothing else he could replace the retiring EJ as my on-brand avatar.

 

[Reparlana]

If the cap actually does go up and if Mathews is projected at 14-15m (lol)

The MacKinnon, Makar and throw in Nuke if he plays out his contract (lol) deals are looking like aptly timed sweetheart deals. Teams that remain contenders get "deals" for there superstars.

Just sign bo 4x4, hope the cap goes up and pay him what he's worth when that time comes.

 

[Balthazar]

If Nelson is a good top 6 center then why did they pay all those assets and AAV to Horvat?

That's what they had at center before Horvat:

Barzal (decent 1C)
Nelson (??)
Pageau (excellent 3C)

 

[Bone Breaker]

Nelson would be a quite good return for Girard imo. Im onboard.

 

[sethro109]

I'd rather not trade a 25 year old for a soon to be 32 year old.

 

[Balthazar]

Should we really weaken our defense?

 

[the_fan]

Would you guys do Toews for Nylander?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I've been working on making my own analytics site with some differing features than other sites have, and I'm talking to a designer I've been working with for the last several years and he's on board. So I'm trying to show him the best analytics sites now so he can make something better...

I've shown him the following sites:

All Three Zones by Corey Sznajder

All Three Zones by Corey Sznajder

www.allthreezones.com

HockeyViz

Visualizations and predictions for understanding hockey.

hockeyviz.com

Evolving-Hockey

evolving-hockey.com

HockeyStatCards.com

I've been trying to find those little player cards that get posted on Twitter, but for the life of me I can't figure out where they are from. Is it The Athletic? Are there other sites that I've missed?

If you are looking for the Athletic's player cards, they are lumped together by teams. The link to the article with links to each team is below:

NHL Player Cards 2.0: How to read our quick, digestible data on players from all teams

Here are our new player cards, a one-stop shop for a player’s results that year (and years prior) and his projected output going forward.

theathletic.com

It can be a little tough to see, but if you look closely at the bottom of each card it will show when it was last updated. It looks like April 3rd for everything I just quickly skimmed through.

I wish you the best of luck with this project. Will this be something you plan on sharing publicly or via subscription model? I'll be interested in taking a gander at your finished product regardless.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Would you guys do Toews for Nylander?

Not straight up.


Top pairing Dman is more valuable then a top line winger. Both guys are UFAs in 1 year but Toews cap hit is almost $3M less then Nylanders for next year.


I'd want an add on Nylander, but if they added something decent I'd certainly consider. Not a huge add but a prospect like Hirvonen or Niemela would be close I think.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Should we really weaken our defense?

If one of those lefties was a righty I'd say no.

The forward group just needs too much help to keep running those three down the left side.

NYI can send us Barzal for Towes and complete the full cycle. Why not lol.

 

[Muffin]

Should we really weaken our defense?

Fact is we won the cup without Girard. How important can he really be?

 

[The Moops]

If you are looking for the Athletic's player cards, they are lumped together by teams. The link to the article with links to each team is below:

NHL Player Cards 2.0: How to read our quick, digestible data on players from all teams

Here are our new player cards, a one-stop shop for a player’s results that year (and years prior) and his projected output going forward.

theathletic.com

It can be a little tough to see, but if you look closely at the bottom of each card it will show when it was last updated. It looks like April 3rd for everything I just quickly skimmed through.

I wish you the best of luck with this project. Will this be something you plan on sharing publicly or via subscription model? I'll be interested in taking a gander at your finished product regardless.

Still trying to figure out what the best way to monetize it, but I would like to be able to have people view at least a decent amount of data for free.

 

[Gruyeriev]

If Nelson is a good top 6 center then why did they pay all those assets and AAV to Horvat?

That's what they had at center before Horvat:

Barzal (decent 1C)
Nelson (??)
Pageau (excellent 3C)

They moved Barzal to wing.

Would you guys do Toews for Nylander?

Me personally no. Value might be fair but I just never have been a Nylander fan. I also think we should keep Toews if possible.

 

[Avsboy]

Keep Girard. Maybe trade Toews who is older, will command more $, and will brick back a large boatload

 

[the_fan]

Not straight up.


Top pairing Dman is more valuable then a top line winger. Both guys are UFAs in 1 year but Toews cap hit is almost $3M less then Nylanders for next year.


I'd want an add on Nylander, but if they added something decent I'd certainly consider. Not a huge add but a prospect like Hirvonen or Niemela would be close I think.

Kerfoot

 

[Gruyeriev]

If Philly is cleaning house and making changes is Cooter just toast? I haven’t really followed his injury history but it seems like he just fell off a cliff or was playing hurt. Also are they really looking to move Provorov and Sanhiem? Does every top player bust in Philly?