Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[Balthazar]

I disagree

Ok fine, if you include multiple (2) offseasons with players from the same core that didn't want to re-up with their team or straight up asked for a trade.

Calgary:
Tkachuk
Gaudreau
Hanifin
Lindholm
Backstrom
Toffoli

Winnipeg:
Dubois
Hellebuyck
Scheifele
Wheeler

Columbus:
Dubois
Jones
Panarin
Bobrovsky

In CBJ case I include Panarin and Bob because they could have been traded the year before when they informed Jarmo that they weren't staying but he decided to keep them and let them walk.

 

[Vk1ing]

We would have Lindholm at a pretty low AAV for 1 year if we do get. I can't see Calgary having issues retaining either.

Yeah I am hoping that is the case but I am worried we dont have much to offer in return

 

[Bender]

I think the Avs will try to grab one middle 6 (hopefully better) center to pair up with Newhook as the 2 and 3Cs. Hopefully the player is way better than Newhook and can be a legit 2nd liner... but it wouldn't shock me to see the Avs get a flawed middle 6 type where the line is more blurred. I think they will supplement from there with a good 4C. Not what my personal preference would be, but that is my expectation.

I mean maybe but what would be the point of that ? It's pretty much what we just had with JT2C as the #2C.

Surely management noticed that even though we are top-end heavy, we can't go anywhere with a pseudo #2C. I think we could 'get by' with someone who is at least a decent #2C like Sam Bennett or Brock Nelson and not necessarily someone who would be considered a great #2C but if you go that route then you're likely looking at giving up more assets to fill that position again in the near future.

My expectations are that they pay a steep price but address the #2C hole this summer and sign that guy long-term so that they don't have to worry about it anymore.

I'm also expecting the Avs to add a scoring-type winger with only 1 year left on his contract to essentially replace Landy in the Top-6. A guy like Toffoli checks a lot of boxes with only 1 year left at $4.25M. Not sure if he can skate in Bednar's system though. So then, the Avs have the option to let that player go after 1 year or re-sign him, depending on what happens with Landeskog.

I was thinking about that and wondered about the Byram negotiations and how difficult we anticipate them to be - not only this year but at the end of his bridge deal - again. I wonder if that could maybe push management to perhaps include him in a package instead of trading Sammy G, if another team is giving you a couple of solid pieces to try and win the Cup again next year.

I think for the rest of the forward group, they'll re-sign players that make sense on the cheap (Cogliano and maybe JMFJ) and use their 'Rodriguez experiment' from last summer to round out the rest of the group at forward.

 

[redacted]

I mean maybe but what would be the point of that ? It's pretty much what we just had with JT2C as the #2C.

Surely management noticed that even though we are top-end heavy, we can't go anywhere with a pseudo #2C. I think we could 'get by' with someone who is at least a decent #2C like Sam Bennett or Brock Nelson and not necessarily someone who would be considered a great #2C but if you go that route then you're likely looking at giving up more assets to fill that position again in the near future.

My expectations are that they pay a steep price but address the #2C hole this summer and sign that guy long-term so that they don't have to worry about it anymore.

I'm also expecting the Avs to add a scoring-type winger with only 1 year left on his contract to essentially replace Landy in the Top-6. A guy like Toffoli checks a lot of boxes with only 1 year left at $4.25M. Not sure if he can skate in Bednar's system though. So then, the Avs have the option to let that player go after 1 year or re-sign him, depending on what happens with Landeskog.

I was thinking about that and wondered about the Byram negotiations and how difficult we anticipate them to be - not only this year but at the end of his bridge deal - again. I wonder if that could maybe push management to perhaps include him in a package instead of trading Sammy G, if another team is giving you a couple of solid pieces to try and win the Cup again next year.

I think for the rest of the forward group, they'll re-sign players that make sense on the cheap (Cogliano and maybe JMFJ) and use their 'Rodriguez experiment' from last summer to round out the rest of the group at forward.

We will see, it would be against the MO of the front office to make a big move and re-sign long term. If they pay a bigger price, it would be more of the MO to get a guy with 2-3 years on his deal and not commit beyond that.

I hope I'm wrong with what I expect them to do. As I completely agree just trying to patch it up won't work.

 

[Gumballhead]

Well, I'd imagine they don't want to start making Tkachuk-like trades ever again.

 

[Gumballhead]

Can we re-sign Cogliano, sign Foligno and Bonino and have a "good fellas" 4th line?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

With regards to our bottom six, LOC is a keeper. The only other two players I kinda of hope we keep are Malgin and Meyers. Not because I want them starting in the NHL, but because I think Meyers could still develop into a potentially good 4th line center (this year will be huge for him). With Malgin, it's about injury insurance. If someone in the top six get injured, I'd much rather see Malgin come up and play than watch McPunchyFace slot in on the 4th and everyone else step up. It's better to put someone with skill up there and let them tread water without disrupting the other three lines or god-forbid put KMac on the ice needlessly.

With Newhook, it's probably in both his and the team's best interest to have a trade this season. He's not developing properly here and can't even lock down a proper role.

Eller, what a nothingburger. If he comes back for a 1M to center the 4th, I suppose that's better than leaving the spot open for Meyers. I'm not okay if the idea is for him to be our 3C though.

Cogs, love him but he's got a nasty injury. Helm, is in the same boat. Add in Nieto and you've got three players I absolute love and respect. But we can and have to do better if we are serious about trying to win a round again.

I guess that leaves ERod and JTC. I would love to have either one of them back at 4.5M or less. I just can't justify a way to pay either of them more than Lehkonen, especially in a flat cap world.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Can we re-sign Cogliano, sign Foligno and Bonino and have a "good fellas" 4th line?

Yes, and now that I have seen this, they should.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I like Meyers as the 4C to start the year tbh. Thought he looked a lot better down the stretch for us and in the playoffs. His time in the AHL helped him a lot IMO.

They just need one more 4th line winger to pair with Meyers and LOC. If Cogs wants to come back for like $800k I'd be fine with that but definitely not for another $1.25M deal. At that point I'd just rather got get a guy like ZAR for 900k or Motte if you're gonna spend over $1M on a 4th liner.

 

[Bender]

I like Meyers as the 4C to start the year tbh. Thought he looked a lot better down the stretch for us and in the playoffs. His time in the AHL helped him a lot IMO.

They just need one more 4th line winger to pair with Meyers and LOC. If Cogs wants to come back for like $800k I'd be fine with that but definitely not for another $1.25M deal. At that point I'd just rather got get a guy like ZAR for 900k or Motte if you're gonna spend over $1M on a 4th liner.

Agree. I would like Cogs back at the right price if he's fully healthy. There are going to be players of this type available on July 2nd and beyond at decent prices.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If, say, the Avs were to acquire Backlund, who would be a good 3C target?

Was thinking in that scenario someone with some skill/upside who hasn’t put it together yet. Maybe someone like Roslovic? What about an opposite like Domi?

 

[John Mandalorian]

It looks like Bruins fans are clamoring to trade Hall/Coyle/or DeBrusk to the Avs.

Expect to see this proposed on the main board any day now.

 

[UncleRisto]

If, say, the Avs were to acquire Backlund, who would be a good 2C target?

Was thinking in that scenario someone with some skill/upside who hasn’t put it together yet. Maybe someone like Roslovic? What about an opposite like Domi?

If the Avs acquire Backlund, their 2C target is Backlund.

 

[Bender]

If the Avs acquire Backlund, their 2C target is Backlund.

I think I would be disappointed with this kind of move. He's a fine player but has 1 year left at $5.35M and is 34 years old.

He's not the kind of guy you re-sign so you'd be spending assets to get him for only 1 year. That kind of thing becomes costly at some point and you'd be in the same situation at this time next year.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

It looks like Bruins fans are clamoring to trade Hall/Coyle/or DeBrusk to the Avs.

Expect to see this proposed on the main board any day now.

They've proposed Hall to us many different times.


They think he has real value which frankly is just silly. Any ~50-60 point winger making $5-6M right now is going to have very little value across the league.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If the Avs acquire Backlund, their 2C target is Backlund.

Mistyped. Changed. Would have thought the rest of the comment clarified 3C was being referenced.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

I think I would be disappointed with this kind of move. He's a fine player but has 1 year left at $5.35M and is 34 years old.

He's not the kind of guy you re-sign so you'd be spending assets to get him for only 1 year. That kind of thing becomes costly at some point and you'd be in the same situation at this time next year.

Exactly. Just like our goaltending situation was fixed semi long term last year with Georgiev, Avs have to do the same with the second line Center . It’s not wise or efficient asset wise to redo this exercise every year

 

[John Mandalorian]

They've proposed Hall to us many different times.


They think he has real value which frankly is just silly. Any ~50-60 point winger making $5-6M right now is going to have very little value across the league.

Also, it seems like if the Avs front office had any interest, he would have played for the Avs by now.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

What centers are available with 2-3 years of term though?

I guess you've got Kuznestov and Hayes... Given the names available I'd be pretty disappointed with Hayes. I guess Kuzy could be a decent fit but I'm not totally convinced on him either. Laughton has 3 years left but I dont know if he's a 2C. Though TBH if they went and got Laughton I'd actually be ok with that. I think with the Avs he'd have more offense to his game and he's on a really fantastic cap hit.

Everyone else has just 1 year left. Lindholm, Scheifele, Backlund, or in PLDs case he's an RFA looking for 8 years now.


If they went and got Laughton and Backlund that would be a great move as well.

 

[redacted]

They've proposed Hall to us many different times.


They think he has real value which frankly is just silly. Any ~50-60 point winger making $5-6M right now is going to have very little value across the league.

Hall doesn’t want to come to Colorado and his 16 team clause is preventing him from being moved (reduces to10 teams July 1)

 

[davalanche96]

Do you really want Backlund like your back up center for 10-20 games on your first line if MacKinnon miss for injure, dont think so!!

That why you need a 1-2 punch center and you build around of them.

Two years ago, MacKinnon missed all november and Kadri take the team on his shoulder.

For a good 2C, you need to give and that What it is.

Bring Lindholm and building aroun him and Mack

 

[John Mandalorian]

How does the news of Philadelphia already turning down a reasonable offer not torpedo tge hopes of acquiring Laughton - at least to some degree?

The Avs try very hard to avoid bidding wars against other actual suitors let alone getting into a bidding war against Tampa from March of 2023.

 

[BobRossColton]

How do we include Dube with Lindholm? Or would we even want him?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Do you really want Backlund like your back up center for 10-20 games on your first line if MacKinnon miss for injure, dont think so!!

That why you need a 1-2 punch center and you build around of them.

Two years ago, MacKinnon missed all november and Kadri take the team on his shoulder.

For a good 2C, you need to give and that What it is.

Bring Lindholm and building aroun him and Mack

It would be a hell of an improvement over Compher...

How does the news of Philadelphia already turning down a reasonable offer not torpedo tge hopes of acquiring Laughton - at least to some degree?

The Avs try very hard to avoid bidding wars against other actual suitors let alone getting into a bidding war against Tampa from March of 2023.

They turned it down but I highly doubt it was that far off in value. The fact the 2nd was a future pick is probably what killed it.


1st + Newhook would get it done fron us IMO.

 

[myperbixhurts]

What centers are available with 2-3 years of term though?

I guess you've got Kuznestov and Hayes... Given the names available I'd be pretty disappointed with Hayes. I guess Kuzy could be a decent fit but I'm not totally convinced on him either. Laughton has 3 years left but I dont know if he's a 2C. Though TBH if they went and got Laughton I'd actually be ok with that. I think with the Avs he'd have more offense to his game and he's on a really fantastic cap hit.

Everyone else has just 1 year left. Lindholm, Scheifele, Backlund, or in PLDs case he's an RFA looking for 8 years now.


If they went and got Laughton and Backlund that would be a great move as well.

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