Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

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Trying to take as many shortcuts as possible to get in the playoffs. Teams are really afraid to stay in the basement for too long

Ottawa is doing the same but they have more high end pieces and have been there longer. Yzerman is really rushing it.
I don't know about rushing it. Next season will be Yzerman's 5th as GM of the Red Wings. Sakic's 5th year as GM we made the playoffs as a WC team in 17-18. Took him 9 seasons as GM to win the Cup.

The problem I have is him targeting a bunch of average players to the point where he has too many of them. He is building an insanely average looking team with IMO only one high end piece in Moritz Seider (I do not believe Lucas Raymond is an elite player).

Just a strange way to build a team. Then again, I guess if you don't have that many high end pieces you might as well try to grab average players if you aren't going to tank.
 
I'm starting to sound like the Detroit/Yzerman apologist, but based on Yzerman's recent press conference it sounds like Detroit is trying to go the Seattle route and win by committee.

I know I'm in the minority, but I think what they're doing make sense. The Red Wings have finished 24th or worse (usually worse) in seven straight seasons, and have lost the Draft Lottery multiple times in that span (notably in 2019 and 2020). Detroit still drafted well in those seasons, but some of their other picks aren't NHL ready yet, while others simply didn't develop well.

At the end of the day, I think they decided being horrible every year wasn't the way to go anymore, so they added guys like Copp, Husso, and Perron last off-season. They were actually in the playoff hunt until mid-February, but the wheels fell off after two back-to-back butt whoppings by Ottawa, which led to them selling at the deadline.

Now they've added DeBrincat, Compher, Gostistbehere and more to their team, and I think they have a decent chance of making the playoffs next year. But even if they miss, they still have several notable prospects on the way (Cossa, Daniels, Edvinsson, and Kasper). They also still have $33M(!) in cap space next off-season, so there's plenty of cap space to add front line talent in the future.
 
I'm starting to sound like the Detroit/Yzerman apologist, but based on Yzerman's recent press conference it sounds like Detroit is trying to go the Seattle route and win by committee.

I know I'm in the minority, but I think what they're doing make sense. The Red Wings have finished 24th or worse (usually worse) in seven straight seasons, and have lost the Draft Lottery multiple times in that span (notably in 2019 and 2020). Detroit still drafted well in those seasons, but some of their other picks aren't NHL ready yet, while others simply didn't develop well.

At the end of the day, I think they decided being horrible every year wasn't the way to go anymore, so they added guys like Copp, Husso, and Perron last off-season. They were actually in the playoff hunt until mid-February, but the wheels fell off after two back-to-back butt whoppings by Ottawa, which led to them selling at the deadline.

Now they've added DeBrincat, Compher, Gostistbehere and more to their team, and I think they have a decent chance of making the playoffs next year. But even if they miss, they still have several notable prospects on the way (Cossa, Daniels, Edvinsson, and Kasper). They also still have $33M(!) in cap space next off-season, so there's plenty of cap space to add front line talent in the future.
Their lineup right now (obviously lines not 100% accurate):

DeBrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Fabbri - Copp - Perron
Rasmussen - Compher - Berggren
Soderblom - Fischer - Kostin/Sprong

Walman- Seider
Chiarot - Holl
Gostisbehere - Maatta

Husso
Reimer

Just an insanely average team. Like I said, it feels like Yzerman is aiming for 38-38-6 next season with that lineup. I know you mentioned Seattle but IMO Seattle last season is not going to replicate what they did moving forward. Now, having more high end talent show up will help balance that out but Detroit doesn't have that high end talent.
 
Their lineup right now (obviously lines not 100% accurate):

DeBrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Fabbri - Copp - Perron
Rasmussen - Compher - Berggren
Soderblom - Fischer - Kostin/Sprong

Walman- Seider
Chiarot - Holl
Gostisbehere - Maatta

Husso
Reimer

Just an insanely average team. Like I said, it feels like Yzerman is aiming for 38-38-6 next season with that lineup. I know you mentioned Seattle but IMO Seattle last season is not going to replicate what they did moving forward. Now, having more high end talent show up will help balance that out but Detroit doesn't have that high end talent.
Got to agree, very average. Nothing jumps out as super dangerous.

They have responsible depth which should help them get a few more wins this year, but I don't think they are really close to being a playoff team in a very deep Eastern conference.

Seattle is not a team to model after IMO what they did last year was not super sustainable. I will not be surprised to see regression from them this year. Can't count on multiple career years every season.
 
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It's their backend that's going to determine their season. Maybe Edvinsson is ready once he's healthy and pushes that aspect forward. I like Reimer as insurance for Husso. I think their forwards are underrated and some under-performers last year will have a better year with more support.


I think like Trotz in Nashville these guys know winning doesn't happen overnight and want to insulate their draft picks with some vets. Basically they are betting on themselves in that they've had enough high picks to be successful. That all depends on the quality of those picks, and I'm not sold on their forward prospects. Maybe they will attract some via free agency.

A few teams were tracking well, but I don't like their recent moves, like L.A. and Ottawa. I think the three most successful current 'rebuilds' are the Ducks, Sabres and Devils
 
Their lineup right now (obviously lines not 100% accurate):

DeBrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Fabbri - Copp - Perron
Rasmussen - Compher - Berggren
Soderblom - Fischer - Kostin/Sprong

Walman- Seider
Chiarot - Holl
Gostisbehere - Maatta

Husso
Reimer

Just an insanely average team. Like I said, it feels like Yzerman is aiming for 38-38-6 next season with that lineup. I know you mentioned Seattle but IMO Seattle last season is not going to replicate what they did moving forward. Now, having more high end talent show up will help balance that out but Detroit doesn't have that high end talent.

Sprong, Kostin and Fischer are missing from that.

Raymond - Larkin - Debrincat
Copp - Compher - Perron
Fabbri - Rasmussen - Berggren
Kostin - Fischer - Sprong

A lot of options to move guys up and down the line up. Not a great team but I can see how it’s similar to Seattle, they have more top end talent too.

Nevermind you edited lol.
 
Their lineup right now (obviously lines not 100% accurate):

DeBrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Fabbri - Copp - Perron
Rasmussen - Compher - Berggren
Soderblom - Fischer - Kostin/Sprong

Walman- Seider
Chiarot - Holl
Gostisbehere - Maatta

Husso
Reimer

Just an insanely average team. Like I said, it feels like Yzerman is aiming for 38-38-6 next season with that lineup. I know you mentioned Seattle but IMO Seattle last season is not going to replicate what they did moving forward. Now, having more high end talent show up will help balance that out but Detroit doesn't have that high end talent.

Are they only 3 wins better than last year though?

Detroit was 28-21-8 on February 24th last year, but then the wheels fell off and they went 7-16-2 the rest of the way. Maybe the same fate will befall them this year. But guys like Czarnik, Luff, Hagg, Oesterle, etc. were fixtures in their line-up post-deadline, so it's easy to see why they were terrible.

I guess we'll see though. I get what you're saying about their team being the definition of the middle of the pack, but I think they have a decent shot at a wildcard spot.
 
I don’t think there’s a specific date set yet, only that it’s between July 20-August 4

Ah ok I remember that now, thanks. When the time comes and my 13 Twitter notifications I have on for insiders/Avs people will be telling me that Ben Meyers signed instead for 1x925K and then I’m big sad.
 
Funny you asked:
-July 27
Ross Colton (Colorado Avalanche)

I bitched and moaned about wanting an Avs rookie dev camp roster, came out an hour later. Asked about Colton arb date, came out an hour later. So I got this one fellas.

OH MY GOD CAN WE JUST GET A 4-5 YEAR 3.8-4.3 ROSS COLTON DEAL DONE ALREADY SHEESH
 
I bitched and moaned about wanting an Avs rookie dev camp roster, came out an hour later. Asked about Colton arb date, came out an hour later. So I got this one fellas.

OH MY GOD CAN WE JUST GET A 4-5 YEAR 3.8-4.3 ROSS COLTON DEAL DONE ALREADY SHEESH
OR 3.2-3.7 TOO, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.


That seems like it's kind of too much somehow.
 
I would love that but I just think it’ll be a little higher than what some of us are hoping/expecting.
I’d like it to get done very soon, and if we are going to pay on the higher side at least it’s for a high effort gamer. I think salaries are going to enter the bonkersverse as soon as next season so this might be the best time to be acquiring a guy like this.
 
Colton >= Compher
We lost probably more offensive talent in Compher, but I can't wait to see Ross in Bednar's system. I suspect he'll also play some secondary PP unit time, which might increase his numbers. Maybe he even replaces Landeskog on the 1st PP unit, but I am more unsure of that. I don't think 30g - 30a is out of the question if he's able to mesh well and how important the team sees him.
Drouin >= Newhook
Drouin should get more points than Newhook and that is due to the increase in ability on the powerplay. As Newhook had no power to make space for himself, even on the powerplay, Drouin feasts on that extra time on the powerplay. My problem with him is that he's worse than Alex on the back cheque and in the defensive zone. Another problem is that if Yakupov and Galchenyuk found themselves in the doghouse considering the demand that Bednar has for players to play a complete game or not take penalties, I could Drouin being put in the same position and Jonathan also seems to be a mentally weak person. That's okay because everyone has different levels of mental toughness, but to be a pro I think you gotta have a thick skin threshold and I am not so sure how well Drouin can be up for the challenge. He says he wants a fresh start, but we'll see if his demons will follow him. This move definitely can backfire.
Wood =< Rodrigues
In terms of offence, big loss, but Wood will do stuff that Evan won't ever do. Wood fits the system better and that might impact his play for the greater form, while Rodrigues was always as inconsistent in form as Compher is when asked to do more.

Avs definitely lost points losing Rodrigues and Compher, but should supersede their production with Johansen, Colton, and Drouin on the team. Wood though solid, isn't really a huge offensive player, he's like an NHL version of that Hunt bloke that we got for Malgin.
RyJo >> Literally nobody
Definitely better than Compher in that position
Jack Johnson > Erik Johnson
A prime Nate Guenin would have probably been better than Erik Johnson last year and I don't think that is a hot take.
 
I still think Avs still need a goalscoring winger, Avs is putting a ton of faith in players that have serious issues like Johansen (injury), Wood (hip), and Drouin (personal life). Malgin might be that bloke, Tatar might, or a trade. I am not sure I want Avs to get a smaller and finesse player and I do not value Toffoli whatsoever, but he would have been a good target on who I think Avs should go after (similar type of players).
To be fair he's trying to make the playoffs and it was a bet on DeBrincat wanting to stay and join his core. Should have known that his chance of keeping him were super slim with DeBrincat being American and becoming UFA.
It's still flawed thinking if you believe that Americans do not want to play for Canadian teams, the problem is they don't want to play for secondary markets (neither do Canadians, aka look at the Jets). Wheeler spent his entire life as a Jet before he was ripped with "C" and those wounds never heal. Buff was always a Jet before he decided to GTFO of the NHL and fish. Caufield signed a long-term contract. Tkachuk signed a long-term contract. JT Miller signed a long-term contract. I agree there are some issues with Americans and Canada, but those tend to be markets like Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, and Ottawa. I don't think Pronger would have ever asked for a trade from Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal.
 
About the rules around arbitration, if we sign him to a deal before it, are we allowed to immediately trade him to another team?
 
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