Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

[the_fan]

I believe that's a quote directly from our "pals" over at HFoilers.

Ok good. I don’t have to block anyone

 

[Avs_19]

NHL’s 10 worst contracts, 2023 edition: Jones, Parayko and Huberdeau lead the way

The players who offer their teams the least relative value to the dollar figure on their contract.

theathletic.com

Seth Jones worst contract in the league.

1- S. Jones 9.5M X 7
2- Parayko 6.5M X 7
3- Huberdeau 10.5M X 8
4- Seguin 9.9M X 4
5- Vlasic 7M X 3
6- Schenn 6.5M X 5
7- Sanheim 6.3M X 8
8- R. Strome 5M X 4
9- Nurse 9.3M X 7
10- Backstrom 9.3M X 2

4 out of the top 6 in the Central. Love to see it.

Some brutal contracts on there.

 

[Chiarelli]

Oilers fans legit think Bouchard > Makar after that ~30 game stretch to end last year.

 

[the_fan]

It's just some Coyotes fan.

We just signed Logan Cooley!

 

[UncleRisto]

We just signed Logan Cooley!

Congrats, man!

 

[the_fan]

Congrats, man!

Thank you!

 

[GeoRox89]

We just signed Logan Cooley!

Excellent. Thanks for the update. How is Zona’s board doing?

 

[the_fan]

Excellent. Thanks for the update. How is Zona’s board doing?

Really good. They’re paying me for sharing 3 Stanley cup win experiences with them. I’m like god for them

 

[Foppa2118]

Better than Compher is all fine and dandy and good for Ryjo. But a guy who struggles to achieve a 45 point pace in 3 of 4 seasons and a guy who struggles to put up 40 actual points half the time due to health issues is a big question mark as a 2C.

And the track record of this team when it comes to evaluating the C position is a bit iffy.

I would disagree with the last part. The center depth issue has been blown out of proportion over the years IMO. In all but 3 out of the last 14 years they've had quite good center depth.

2009-2014 - Duchene-Stastny-ROR (MacKinnon mostly at RW)
2015-2015 - Duchene-MacKinnon-ROR-Soderberg
2016-2017 - MacKinnon-Duchene-Soderberg-Mitchell
2017-2018 - MacKinnon-Kerfoot-Soderberg*
2019-2021 - MacKinnon-Kadri-Compher
2022-2022 - MacKinnon-Compher-Eller*
2023-???? - MacKinnon-Johansen-Colton

*Poor center depth

They're actually quite good at identifying good centers that fit the team well. Just not 100% of the time which shouldn't be expected. Even Compher was a solid 3C, he just wasn't a 2C. Soderberg and Kerfoot were decent at 3C as well.

 

[JLo217]

Really good. They’re paying me for sharing 3 Stanley cup win experiences with them. I’m like god for them

Excellent. Thanks for the update. How is Zona’s board doing?

There is an Arizona board? I thought they just got together at the QT...

 

[the_fan]

There is an Arizona board? I thought they just got together at the QT...

Just like the team, we don’t have a permanent board yet. We share one with Arizona state university students

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I would disagree with the last part. The center depth issue has been blown out of proportion over the years IMO. In all but 3 out of the last 14 years they've had quite good center depth.

2009-2014 - Duchene-Stastny-ROR (MacKinnon mostly at RW)
2015-2015 - Duchene-MacKinnon-ROR-Soderberg
2016-2017 - MacKinnon-Duchene-Soderberg-Mitchell
2017-2018 - MacKinnon-Kerfoot-Soderberg*
2019-2021 - MacKinnon-Kadri-Compher
2022-2022 - MacKinnon-Company in her-Eller*
2023-???? - MacKinnon-Johansen-Colton

*Poor center depth

They're actually quite good at identifying good centers that fit the team well. Just not 100% of the time which shouldn't be expected. Even Compher was a solid 3C, he just wasn't a 2C. Soderberg and Kerfoot were decent at 3C as well.

I don't disagree with that. But I don't think the duchene ROR years are relevant to the current management's ability to judge the C position.

Sakic's record once Roy left and where the window really opened post Duchene trade that C depth doesn't look as good for the prime contending years. 3 good years with Kadri (and Kadri got himself suspended one of those years).

It feels like there were two years the team could have done some damage but in 2018 and 2023 they misjudged how good the kids would be in filling the 2C/3C roles.

To be fair the one time Sakic did specifically acquire an undervalued legit C via trade it worked out well. So perhaps Ryjo works out too.

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't disagree with that. But I don't think the duchene ROR years are relevant to the current management's ability to judge the C position.

Sakic's record once Roy left and where the window really opened post Duchene trade that C depth doesn't look as good for the prime contending years. 3 good years with Kadri (and Kadri got himself suspended one of those years).

It feels like there were two years the team could have done some damage but in 2018 and 2023 they misjudged how good the kids would be in filling the 2C/3C roles.

To be fair the one time Sakic did specifically acquire an undervalued legit C via trade it worked out well. So perhaps Ryjo works out too.

I think those years are relevant mostly in the sense that the talk around this issue has been that they suck at finding centers, and don't appreciate the importance of center depth. Implying it's been going on a while. So the fact they've been quite good the last 14 years disproves this.

Also Sakic was in the front office starting in 2011-12 and they've had a lot of the same pro scouts the whole time. A lot of the same amateur scouts too up until recently.

A lot of the main philosophies this team has have been in place since PL's days too. They emphasize a lot of the same things and have kept the same (for the most part) playing style.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I believe that's a quote directly from our "pals" over at HFoilers.

It's not a direct quote but it was something about Nurse scores the same 5 on 5 and is bigger than a @Hasbro wet dream. So Nurse is actually better than Makar.

 

[Avs_19]

Can’t believe Tatar isn’t an Av yet. About to join the people hating on CMac.

Get it done already. It’s almost August!

 

[nammerus]

Oilers fans legit think Bouchard > Makar after that ~30 game stretch to end last year.

Considering they thought they had actually would have won the WCF series if it weren’t for the pesky refs and injuries, that’s not too far off.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Can’t believe Tatar isn’t an Av yet. About to join the people hating on CMac.

Get it done already. It’s almost August!

I'm still a bit amazed that Tank is left without a chair too.

I think he views himself as a core piece rather than top-tier complimentary piece and probably over-estimated his worth to GMs, especially in a flat cap situation.

 

[Balthazar]

I'm still a bit amazed that Tank is left without a chair too.

I think he views himself as a core piece rather than top-tier complimentary piece and probably over-estimated his worth to GMs, especially in a flat cap situation.

He has a huge ego and probably thought he'd be offered like 7M X 5 or something...while the offers on the table are like 5M X 1 or 4M X 2.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm still a bit amazed that Tank is left without a chair too.

I think he views himself as a core piece rather than top-tier complimentary piece and probably over-estimated his worth to GMs, especially in a flat cap situation.

Happens every year with one or two guys.

The Avs are actually quite good at taking advantage of this with buy low late seasons signing, when all the other teams have allocated all their cap space.

Not sure they'll do that this year though. I think they know they have an issue with injuries on this team and might want to leave their remaining $2M in LTIR space for injury callups.

They also know they'll have Kovalenko as an option later and might get Landy back for the playoffs.

 

[Avaholic29]

Can’t believe Tatar isn’t an Av yet. About to join the people hating on CMac.

Get it done already. It’s almost August!

I’d rather save money for the deadline than grab Tatar. Unless he’s a million or less.

 

[willy702]

The Ducks honestly need to go back to the Mighty Ducks branding. It was infinitely better than what they went to after Disney sold them and they became the Anaheim Ducks.

Considering the type of people who post in this forum this is utter and total heresy. To Ducks fans, and I know a few die-hards, the Mighty Ducks was everything that was wrong with the team. The moment they got rid of Disney they got a serious owner who said lets go all-in on talent and put together a dominant team that won a Cup under the new name and logo. Absolute vindication for the true fans who hated Disney owning the team.

 

[Foppa2118]

Considering the type of people who post in this forum this is utter and total heresy. To Ducks fans, and I know a few die-hards, the Mighty Ducks was everything that was wrong with the team. The moment they got rid of Disney they got a serious owner who said lets go all-in on talent and put together a dominant team that won a Cup under the new name and logo. Absolute vindication for the true fans who hated Disney owning the team.

Yeah the Disney era Mighty Ducks for me was just too associated with everything that goes with a movie marketed to kids.

They relied on the movie and used a lot of the same marketing and themes to help gain recognition as an expansion team.

The movie was fine like that because it's a movie, but a professional sports team at the highest level of hockey marketing themselves that way just felt kinda silly and often lame IMO.

I never took them seriously until after they changed their name and marketing strategy during the Niedermayer/Pronger years.

 

[The Abusement Park]

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[MacKaRant]

Only one year. Retain 50% and sell at deadline if you're out of the playoff hunt and get good stuff back. If in playoff hunt, keep and hope he's playing like he's in a contract year (which he is).