Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

[JH21]

Riding a 22% shooting percentage and some obvious luck that wasn't sustainable.
Besides that one outlier of a year, Compher has absolutely been better.
But seriously, we don't need to get into this. I'm so tired of talking about Compher with you in particular at this point. He's not even on the team anymore lol.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Compher is not better than Johansen. Not any version of Johansen.

 

[Avaholic29]

Compher is not better than Johansen. Not any version of Johansen.

This shouldn’t even be a debatable statement lol

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Compher is not better than Johansen. Not any version of Johansen.

Compher last year was easily better then Ryan Johansen in 3 of the last 4 years.

It quite literally is not a debate.


Once again we are quickly getting into blatant homer territory here... It's ridiculous.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Compher last year was easily better then Ryan Johansen in 3 of the last 4 years.

It quite literally is not a debate.


Once again we are quickly getting into blatant homer territory here... It's ridiculous.

The only reason he was ‘better’ was because he was force-fed a bunch of minutes out of necessity and played alongside the greatest Finnish hockey player in the land.

I would like Johansen to play his best hockey, but hitting Compher numbers shouldn’t really be a concern.

 

[NateTheGreat]

I’m just glad we won’t be having to watch JTC at 2C anymore. Thank yew Yzerman

 

[BobRossColton]

Is there a way to come up with an educated guess on the waiver list before the season starts?

 

[Foppa2118]

Compher is not better than Johansen. Not any version of Johansen.

Even Johasnen's last 3 out of 4 seasons were better than any season from Compher outside of last year, and the 4th was just a couple pace points off.

Compher

2016-17: 20 pt pace (5 points)
2017-18: 27 pt pace (23 points)
2018-19: 40 pt pace (32 points)
2019-20: 38 pt pace (31 points)
2020-21: 31 pt pace (18 points)
2021-22: 39 pt pace (33 points)
2022-23: 52 pt pace (52 points)

Johansen

2011-12: 26 pt pace (21 points)
2012-13: 25 pt pace (12 points)
2013-14: 63 pt pace (63 points)
2014-15: 71 pt pace (71 points)
2015-16: 62 pt pace (60 points)
2016-17: 61 pt pace (61 points)
2017-18: 56 pt pace (54 points)
2018-19: 66 pt pace (64 points)
2019-20: 43 pt pace (36 points)
2020-21: 38 pt pace (22 points)
2021-22: 65 pt pace (63 points)
2022-23: 42 pt pace (28 points)

 

[nammerus]

JTC was the 2C when they won the Cup. Kadri missed a round and a half, then came back and played wing with one hand.

Kadi didn't get suspended when they won the Cup.

Nemeth and Soda were bottom pair and bottom six players. Teams win with players like that underperofmring all the time. It's not the same as the question marks and concerns mentioned for impact players.

The same question you mentioned about Grubauer, were asked even more so of Kuemper, who did win the Cup. They most likely would have won with Grubauer too if they kept him.

You would have a point if I was contesting that the Avs get these answers right every single time, but it should be obvious that wasn't what I was saying.

I was saying the Avs have gotten a fair amount of these question right, especially in recent years. More than most teams get right, and some of them have been very similar to the questions, and situations surrounding these new additions.

JTC wasn't the #2C when they won the cup. [MOD] Kadri was huge during our run, and had a huge part in us beating STL, while scoring an enormous OT goal in the finals. All the while, going basically PPG in the 16 games he did play. It's pathetic that people try to tear down his contribution to this team to make it look like Ryjo has any chance of replicating his contribution to the team.

Ryjo has been awful 3 of the last 4 years. He can't hold a candle to Kadri.

 

[NateTheGreat]

Even Johasnen's last 3 out of 4 seasons were better than any season from Compher outside of last year, and the 4th was just a couple points off.

Compher

2016-17: 20 pt pace (5 points)
2017-18: 27 pt pace (23 points)
2018-19: 40 pt pace (32 points)
2019-20: 38 pt pace (31 points)
2020-21: 31 pt pace (18 points)
2021-22: 39 pt pace (33 points)
2022-23: 52 pt pace (52 points)

Johansen

2011-12: 26 pt pace (21 points)
2012-13: 25 pt pace (12 points)
2013-14: 63 pt pace (63 points)
2014-15: 71 pt pace (71 points)
2015-16: 62 pt pace (60 points)
2016-17: 61 pt pace (61 points)
2017-18: 56 pt pace (54 points)
2018-19: 66 pt pace (64 points)
2019-20: 43 pt pace (36 points)
2020-21: 38 pt pace (22 points)
2021-22: 65 pt pace (63 points)
2022-23: 42 pt pace (28 points)

Also

JTC career face offs 48%

RyJo career face offs 53%

Bedsy putting out Compher for the opening face offs in OT was great comedic material in the GDTs

 

[Foppa2118]

JTC wasn't the #2C when they won the cup. [MOD] Kadri was huge during our run, and had a huge part in us beating STL, while scoring an enormous OT goal in the finals. All the while, going basically PPG in the 16 games he did play. It's pathetic that people try to tear down his contribution to make it look like Ryjo has any chance of replicating his contribution to the team.

Ryjo has been awful 3 of the last 4 years. He can't hold a candle to Kadri.

LOL ok. Who was 2C for the Edmonton and Tampa series? I'll wait.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

That's fair.

But if I may, I'd like to remind you of the question marks surrounding Kadri going into the Avs Cup season. Both in terms of being a suspension risk in the playoffs and his actual production.

Also the question marks surrounding an alleged lazy player in Burakovksy before he came to the Avs.

Or the question marks around Val's production after scoring 0 goals the previous season.

Or the question marks around whether Bednar could make adjustments in the playoffs to get past the second round.

Or the question marks on whether Byram would play hockey again.

Or the question marks about how good Makar would be early in his career when people thought he wouldn't be able to replace Barrie's production for years.

All of those guys answered the questions and helped the Avs win the Stanley Cup. Question marks aren't anything new for this team or the fanbase.

Please, please, please STOP! You are making wayyyyyyy too much sense.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The only reason he was ‘better’ was because he was force-fed a bunch of minutes out of necessity and played alongside the greatest Finnish hockey player in the land.

I would like Johansen to play his best hockey, but hitting Compher numbers shouldn’t really be a concern.

So he was better...


You can argue about opportunity all you want, you can say RyJo will be better with the Avs and playing with Rantanen(And hell I even agree with this and have said as much)...


But it is an absolute fact that JTC was better last year then RyJo in 3 of his last 4 years. And it wasn't even close. In all areas of the ice.

 

[NateTheGreat]

I love the part when people use JTC’s outlier year to compare him to RyJo while excluding RyJo’s outlier year in that comparison.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

So he was better...


You can argue about opportunity all you want, you can say RyJo will be better with the Avs and playing with Rantanen(And hell I even agree with this and have said as much)...


But it is an absolute fact that JTC was better last year then RyJo in 3 of his last 4 years. And it wasn't even close. In all areas of the ice.

I get what you’re saying. I’m just not really concerned about him hitting what Compher did if he’s given the same opportunity.

I think the real question is if he can get to a level above that.

My hope is that having an actual 3rd line this year mitigates the need for a high-end 2C, but I would still like to see Johansen show more than what JT did. If he has Mikko on his wing and only hits 50 points, that’s a bit disappointing for me.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I love the part when people use JTC’s outlier year to compare him to RyJo while excluding RyJo’s outlier year in that comparison.

You can compare JTCs other years as well. In the last 4 years head to head, Compher has been the better player in 3 of them.


This most recent year is the one where it simply wasn't even close.

 

[Foppa2118]

Also

JTC career face offs 48%

RyJo career face offs 53%

Bedsy putting out Compher for the opening face offs in OT was great comedic material in the GDTs

Also Johasnen is better defensively than Compher and is a better net front presence with his size.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I get what you’re saying. I’m just not really concerned about him hitting what Compher did if he’s given the same opportunity.

I think the real concern is if he can get to a level above that.

My hope is that having an actual 3rd line this year mitigates the need for a high-end 2C, but I would still like to see Johansen show more than what JT did. If he has Mikko on his wing and only hits 50 points, that’s a bit disappointing for me.

I think he has to go above that tbh... JTC did other things beyond just the points. He played the PK, he was a pest at times, was very good defensively, etc.


RyJo doesn't bring anything else to the table, at least not in a very long time. He used to be decent defensively when he tried and he used to be a pest. But the last few years he's been so disinterested and lazy that he's basically done nothing besides produce offense at a marginal rate.


We really need him to give a shit again essentially. I'm pretty confident that 50 points won't be hard for him to achieve since he'll likely be playing with Mikko... But if he's still lazy and disinterested, we're still getting a worse player then JTCa and that will be a huge problem for us.

A RyJo that actually cares and puts in some effort, is likely a 60-70 guy with Mikko as his wing and we're the top team in the West with that Johansen.

If we get the other version, we are in trouble.

 

[AvsFan2123]

Can we just trade for Jarnkrok already to help Leafs cap and cement our third line for the next 3 years? Wood - Colton - Jarnkrok. Think that would put us over the cap by like $50K or something but sending Olofsson down would take care of that I think. Our 4th would be Cogliano - Meyers - LOC. Don’t hate that, but we can always pick a 4C up along the way or by deadline.

 

[Balthazar]

Can we just trade for Jarnkrok already to help Leafs cap and cement our third line for the next 3 years? Wood - Colton - Jarnkrok. Think that would put us over the cap by like $50K or something but sending Olofsson down would take care of that

Avs will want to keep some space for call ups in case of injuries and possibly for the deadline. I don't think we'll spend all our cap space this summer.

 

[NateTheGreat]

You can compare JTCs other years as well. In the last 4 years head to head, Compher has been the better player in 3 of them.


This most recent year is the one where it simply wasn't even close.

Similarly, JTC has never had a year close to what RyJo did 2 seasons ago.

One player gives us a guaranteed early playoff exit every time he’s played that position on this team.

The other player, no matter how slim the chances are he returns to form, gives us a realistic chance at the Cup if he attains that level.

 

[JLo217]

....They literally investigate every single LTIR movement.

Murray is a guy that got hurt in warmups twice last season alone. Wouldn’t be shocking if it is legit.

In the end though, it doesn’t matter. We’re doing the same thing here. Teams will use continue to use LTIR like this and it becomes a get out of cap jail card. There is zero desire to change this, accept and move on.

The difference is the Avs would rather have Landy than not and won’t all year. The Leafs intentionally signed players and went over the cap. Then only then bent the rules.

 

[Avs_19]

If we are talking about absolutely maximizing his income while playing, yeah I'm not sure a single player will have done a better job in NHL history. He's doing all he can to secure $200+m without endorsements.

Yup. He'll be at approx $70M once this contract is up. Probably looking at around $40M on his new three-year deal if that's the way they decide to go. Then I'm guessing he'll go for the long-term deal as his last big contract and that might be worth $100M or so.

 

[Avsboy]

Anyone wondering if Johansen is a double agent just here for the year round golf?

 

[chet1926]

I personally hate LTIR, for every real situation, like Landy, there are countless examples of abuse.

Murray is just another example of this. The guy is fine and could probably play tomorrow. Toronto just needs the space, and Murray is willing to get paid to do nothing.