Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

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I like the part where he said Domi had a slight head start, but failed to mention that Newhook was already heading up the ice and Domi had to do a turn around from his forecheck.

And Jones stepping in front of Domi at the red line.

I understand I rail on skating a ton to the point it is probably super annoying here, but it is vitally important for smaller centers. If you don't have it, you have to have absurd IQ.. and even with that it the upside is limited. At wing he doesn't need the skating to be as high, but he has to battle more effectively and learn to deal with tighter spaces. I hope he figures that out in Montreal.

 

[chet1926]

I wonder how you did that, because Landeskog is literally the second big athlete this surgery is done, and the first one is still undergoing rehab because it was done months before Landy.

I don’t disagree with the sentiment that Landy is probably done. But stop pulling information out of your ass. Although it makes it easier to ignore your negative posts in the future, knowing you make stuff up.

There have been at least 2 other NHLers who've had the same/similar surgery that never played again. Granted they were both older so that is a factor but still not great.

Then there is Liangelo Ball in the NBA, while still pretty fresh the prognosis of him ever playing again is not great according to multiple sources.

The reality if you read anything on knee cartilage transplant surgery, it's a major surgery no getting around it. I'm not a doctor but from what I've read it's almost sounds like an effort to potentially avoid knee replacement.

Could be miss reading that but if that's the case then my hopes of Landy ever playing again are low. And I will take it as a huge win if he does play. But honestly, I want him to what's best for him. There is more to life than hockey.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

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There have been at least 2 other NHLers who've had the same/similar surgery that never played again. Granted they were both older so that is a factor but still not great.

Then there is Liangelo Ball in the NBA, while still pretty fresh the prognosis of him ever playing again is not great according to multiple sources.

The reality if you read anything on knee cartilage transplant surgery, it's a major surgery no getting around it. I'm not a doctor but from what I've read it's almost sounds like an effort to potentially avoid knee replacement.

Could be miss reading that but if that's the case then my hopes of Landy ever playing again are low. And I will take it as a huge win if he does play. But honestly, I want him to what's best for him. There is more to life than hockey.

The Lonzo stuff is pure speculation at this point. He only had the surgery a few months prior to Landy. We also have Jordan Watkins who recovered his career thanks to the surgery.

We don't know if it will work long-term and to what level. I do think it is pretty safe to say we see Landy on the ice again at some point. He is a warrior that has played through a ton in his career, he will give it a go. How long that lasts and at what level of play remains to be seen.

 

[GeoRox89]

Not only will Landy have his number retired, I bet he will take after Sakic and become the GM of this team a few years post-retirement.

Every bit of this would be the most predictable thing in a long time and I hope it happens. Wasn’t it Burke who was pegging him as a future GM based on his pre-draft interview?

I was disappointed he was away from Denver and the team so much last year. I hope he does more rehab in Denver and stays around the team in a leadership capacity more this year. They could really use his voice in the room even if he can’t be on the ice

 

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Sundqvist "I love this town!"

 

[PAZ]

Have to imagine Sundqvist didn’t get an offer over $1 mil, so he decided to run it back with St. Louis.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Sundqvist "I love this town!"

Is that St. Louis or East St. Louis?

Have to imagine Sundqvist didn’t get an offer over $1 mil, so he decided to run it back with St. Louis.

Avs couldn't do 1-year $800k?

 

[The Pwnerer]

This is all Ross Colton's fault. Sign the deal man! We should've been in on the Sundqvist deal, or even for Gurianov. We still need some cheap depth up front unless you want to see Riley Tufte on the third line midseason.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Is that St. Louis or East St. Louis?




Avs couldn't do 1-year $800k?

Maybe he just wanted to go back to St. Louis?

 

[PAZ]

Is that St. Louis or East St. Louis?




Avs couldn't do 1-year $800k?

I bet he got offers in the 900k range, but wasn’t worth moving to a new city as a 1 year rental.

 

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Is that St. Louis or East St. Louis?




Avs couldn't do 1-year $800k?

Where I got them from said St Louis... having spent time in both, East is definitely worse, but St Louis is also very run down. If you're at all downtown it is pretty rough. Even to the south in Dutchtown is pretty bad.

 

[AvsGuy]

Yeah I can't quite understand why we aren't picking up a couple of these guys on the cheap

 

[AvsWraith]

There's nothing like playing "Free" while under the scrutiny of the relentless Montreal media and fanbase.

Good luck, Newhook.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I'm going to randomly predict that the Avs and Rangers find a deal so that the Avs get Kakko.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Not sure how to get it done, but I want Kane.

 

[chet1926]

Interesting read explaining in details why Newhook's strengths were a bad fit for the Avs style.

In fairness to Newhook he really only played 3rd and 4th line here, which didn't fit his game at all since our 3rd and 4th lines were really low skill and slow last year, so I understand the comment.

But conversely Newhook competes like a 4th line AHLer, and didn't earn a shot to play with the top 6 speed skill guys like 29 and 96, so it's his own damn fault he didn't get that opportunity to play with speed skill guys.

Newhook will need to pick up his intensity/compete if he wants that top 6 six role in Montreal. Sounds like he'll get a chance to do so, but it's going take a 180 effort change to keep that role.

The Lonzo stuff is pure speculation at this point. He only had the surgery a few months prior to Landy. We also have Jordan Watkins who recovered his career thanks to the surgery.

We don't know if it will work long-term and to what level. I do think it is pretty safe to say we see Landy on the ice again at some point. He is a warrior that has played through a ton in his career, he will give it a go. How long that lasts and at what level of play remains to be seen.

I want him to play again, but I'm not getting my hopes up. And then if he does play it will be a nice bonus.

Sounds like what he's going through is pretty awful. I just want him to make decisions that are best for him.

 

[dahrougem2]

Maybe he just wanted to go back to St. Louis?

Who in the f**k wants to do that????

 

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I want him to play again, but I'm not getting my hopes up. And then if he does play it will be a nice bonus.

Sounds like what he's going through is pretty awful. I just want him to make decisions that are best for him.

I'm saying the display of it only not working is incorrect and Landy has a history of playing through a lot. For better or worse, he's gonna give it a shot at some point.

 

[chet1926]

Yeah I can't quite understand why we aren't picking up a couple of these guys on the cheap

Yep it's super frustrating. There are still holes in the roster and plenty of decent names it there that probably take a cheap 1 year deal.

Hope CMac didn't call it a summer and go on vacation until September.

 

[ABasin]

He's stating in the article that he thinks Newhook was taught to dump and chase, then go to the front of the net. Which to me is not how the Avs play consistently. There are times, yeah, dump, chase and get to work. But primarily, they like possession and pace. None of the other centers played like Newhook consistently. Not taking that into account seems misguided.

When Newhook gets going, he certainly has speed. It takes him a bit and the amount of speed is greatly exaggerated (not sure he was top 5 or 6 on the Avs in that regard... maybe not even top 5 or 6 forwards). In the article he calls Domi an excellent skater... which I would say that bar for excellent is quite low if Domi is considered that.

I'm no expert at analyzing skating, but the problem I saw with Newhook, is that when he starts from a standstill, his feet move like crazy, but he doesn't really get off the blocks very quickly. Seems like it took him over a half dozen strides to get up to speed.

In the end, I didn't mind Newhook at all. He has some flaws, but he has some skill also. The team was in dire need of players at the center position, and had to move a meaningful asset to address the problem. IMO, it had to be either Newhook or Girard. Newhook was it. Wish him the best.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The Avs realistically only have 1 forward spot left which is 3rd line RW. I understand that there are cheap guys that have been signed but the Avs really only have the 1 spot, theoretically.

Players aren’t just going to sign here for 1 year for cheap just to have an opportunity to battle with a bunch of other guys for a chance at a spot in the lineup. That’s what PTOs are for.

We need to try to fine the best option for that spot. I don’t think any of the guys recently signed filled that requirement.

 

[chet1926]

I'm saying the display of it only not working is incorrect and Landy has a history of playing through a lot. For better or worse, he's gonna give it a shot at some point.

There is a difference of giving it a shot and being able to play effectively at the NHL level. I'm sure he'll give it a shot when he feels comfortable, who knows how that will go.

He'll have missed 2+ years, with multiple major surgeries. That's a lot to ask him to come back from and be able to do it effectively at the NHL level.

Gabe is a competitor and warrior, so if anyone could do it he could. But it's still a lot, and I'm choosing to go the route of low expectations and if he does come back be super stoked.

 

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I'm no expert at analyzing skating, but the problem I saw with Newhook, is that when he starts from a standstill, his feet move like crazy, but he doesn't really get off the blocks very quickly. Seems like it took him over a half dozen strides to get up to speed.

In the end, I didn't mind Newhook at all. He has some flaws, but he has some skill also. The team was in dire need of players at the center position, and had to move a meaningful asset to address the problem. Newhook was it. Wish him the best.

This is going to sound harsh, but I mean this in comparison to other NHLers... IE high end athletes. But he's got zero power or quick twitch athletic ability. He's just not a good enough of an athlete to generate any speed quickly. After a few strides technique starts to carry his skating. You can tell he has been trained from a young age how to skate and get the most out of his abilities. This was a pretty large red flag to me prior to his draft year. You could clearly see how much had been done... and how meh it still was (though great compared to Junior A peers). I caught hell for years blasting his skating, but Newhook is a clear example of how pretty and refined isn't always a good thing. You need to be an athlete first and foremost to have great skating.

 

[BobRossColton]

I'm still trying to find a combo that Girard can get us.