NHL 2023-2024 Out of Town: Regular Season III

[McGarnagle]

They better still count against the cap even if they're terminated by the Commissioner's Office.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Joe Thornton's # is getting retired to the rafters next season? Just heard that, so random but I guess he must have like 8 millions pointless points for them.

 

[Alicat]

They better still count against the cap even if they're terminated by the Commissioner's Office.

I think they will especially since the 4 in the NHL are only under contract until July 1st.

 

[BMC]

Should of been the Brave Little Toasters

Copyright infringement. Disney would have been all over them.

 

[BruinDust]

Another black eye for the hockey world. Grishin basically uses an MMA style choke-hold on the goalie until he passes out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-hockey-officials-saying-little-after-fight-leaves-goalie-lying-motionless-on-ice-1.7099104

And people wonder why the public sentiment towards ice hockey is growing increasingly negative.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Another black eye for the hockey world. Grishin basically uses an MMA style choke-hold on the goalie until he passes out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-hockey-officials-saying-little-after-fight-leaves-goalie-lying-motionless-on-ice-1.7099104

And people wonder why the public sentiment towards ice hockey is growing increasingly negative.

Holy sh…..

Get this POS out of hockey now.

 

[Therick67]

All sports have idiots in them, not just hockey

 

[Dr Hook]

Another black eye for the hockey world. Grishin basically uses an MMA style choke-hold on the goalie until he passes out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-hockey-officials-saying-little-after-fight-leaves-goalie-lying-motionless-on-ice-1.7099104

And people wonder why the public sentiment towards ice hockey is growing increasingly negative.

This will probably rile some people up here, but this incident only gives more ammo to those that want to ban fighting and crack down hard on the extra-curricular violence. And they have a point. If you sanction a certain level of violence in the sport, there will always be a question of where to draw the lines and there will always be those who won't stay within the lines. So while Junior hockey, college etc can all get it out of the sport at their level, when the pro leagues continue to allow it, it remains part of the culture. I have only had one cup of coffee, so I hope that is coherent (and I am not making the case one or the other about fighting, just observing).

 

[BruinDust]

This will probably rile some people up here, but this incident only gives more ammo to those that want to ban fighting and crack down hard on the extra-curricular violence. And they have a point. If you sanction a certain level of violence in the sport, there will always be a question of where to draw the lines and there will always be those who won't stay within the lines. So while Junior hockey, college etc can all get it out of the sport at their level, when the pro leagues continue to allow it, it remains part of the culture. I have only had one cup of coffee, so I hope that is coherent (and I am not making the case one or the other about fighting, just observing).

I'm not trying to blame the goalie here but look at how that incident started. He's out of his crease and there is a loose puck. Grishin pokes at the puck under his pad but then takes an unnecessary swipe at the goalies stick afterwards. Shouldn't of done that but let's be honest that swipe wasn't terribly egregious.

And what is the goalie's reaction to the swipe? He immediately jumps to his feet and gets in Grishin's face. If your Grishin, your instinct should tell you a punch is coming, look like the goalie already has his blocker half off, so he starts tossing too and the shit is on at that point.

No excuse for the MMA style choke but that goalie needs to calm down and not overreact to an opposing player whacking at his stick. But it goes back to that engrained culture in hockey that ANY sort of incident or infraction warrants immediately attacking the opposing player. Like it's acceptable to completely loose your mind over even the smallest infraction.

Watch this one.......yeah the guy shouldn't of two-handed another player on the bench. But for the longest time he's just standing there not really involved so he must of saw something in the melee that felt he needed to get involved and swung his stick. And let's be honest, unless your cracking a guy across the face, how much damage can you do with a hollow stick that weighs about 400 grams?



They way they chase and attack him you'd think he hauled out a gun and shot someone. He could of been paralyzed by that violent push from behind into the boards and then they proceed to cave his face in with multiple punches while down on the ice. The response isn't close to proportional to the inciting incident but that's hockey culture.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Copyright infringement. Disney would have been all over them.

not if you ask! Disney is really cool about copyright if you just ask, for small one off's like this anyways.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'm not trying to blame the goalie here but look at how that incident started. He's out of his crease and there is a loose puck. Grishin pokes at the puck under his pad but then takes an unnecessary swipe at the goalies stick afterwards. Shouldn't of done that but let's be honest that swipe wasn't terribly egregious.

And what is the goalie's reaction to the swipe? He immediately jumps to his feet and gets in Grishin's face. If your Grishin, your instinct should tell you a punch is coming, look like the goalie already has his blocker half off, so he starts tossing too and the shit is on at that point.

No excuse for the MMA style choke but that goalie needs to calm down and not overreact to an opposing player whacking at his stick. But it goes back to that engrained culture in hockey that ANY sort of incident or infraction warrants immediately attacking the opposing player. Like it's acceptable to completely loose your mind over even the smallest infraction.

Watch this one.......yeah the guy shouldn't of two-handed another player on the bench. But for the longest time he's just standing there not really involved so he must of saw something in the melee that felt he needed to get involved and swung his stick. And let's be honest, unless your cracking a guy across the face, how much damage can you do with a hollow stick that weighs about 400 grams?



They way they chase and attack him you'd think he hauled out a gun and shot someone. He could of been paralyzed by that violent push from behind into the boards and then they proceed to cave his face in with multiple punches while down on the ice. The response isn't close to proportional to the inciting incident but that's hockey culture.

I appreciate the response and clearly every situation is different and no question that there is deliberate provoking and taunting going on sometimes. My larger point was simply that expecting 15 or 16 year olds (or older, for that matter lol) to have the wisdom and restraint to know when and how to respond in these situations is a big ask, particularly when a certain level of approved violence is encouraged (or even just not discouraged) or even expected.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Another black eye for the hockey world. Grishin basically uses an MMA style choke-hold on the goalie until he passes out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-hockey-officials-saying-little-after-fight-leaves-goalie-lying-motionless-on-ice-1.7099104

And people wonder why the public sentiment towards ice hockey is growing increasingly negative.

Sounds like the league was really asking for trouble by not throwing this clown out of the league earlier.

 

[BruinDust]

I appreciate the response and clearly every situation is different and no question that there is deliberate provoking and taunting going on sometimes. My larger point was simply that expecting 15 or 16 year olds (or older, for that matter lol) to have the wisdom and restraint to know when and how to respond in these situations is a big ask, particularly when a certain level of approved violence is encouraged (or even just not discouraged) or even expected.

It's engrained in the culture. Disproportionate responses (approved violence) have been part of the game for so long now that's it considered normal and accepted. Fights and violence breaking out at all levels (youth and adult) over a lot of times basically nothing.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

This means that these players are unlikely to play hockey in any profession, which means the court date at the minimum.

So that's 2 years without any professional hockey. Essentially their careers are over even if exonerated.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

not if you ask! Disney is really cool about copyright if you just ask, for small one off's like this anyways.

I disagree with this. Disney is vicious in it copyright enforcement. One of the most aggressive in the world.

I've seen them go after small time people and get them for $100 a pop for each offense basically bankrupting them.

They do not distinguish between willing knowledge and ignorance. They go hard in court and have a lot of experience with it.

 

[BruinDust]

This means that these players are unlikely to play hockey in any profession, which means the court date at the minimum.

So that's 2 years without any professional hockey. Essentially their careers are over even if exonerated.

Unless they end up behind bars while awaiting their court date in 2026, all 5 guys are free to leave the country. Doesn't mean the country they travel to will accept them, but they are free to leave. There was a case here locally where the accused was out on bail pending their court date and went on an all-inclusive trip down south while they waited to appear before the judge.

So they could continue their careers in some european pro league (or the KHL) while awaiting trial. Mike Danton spent 5 years in prison and still found employment in pro hockey afterwards. While continuing their NHL careers appears to be remote, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of them find their way back into the league, especially if exonerated.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

It's engrained in the culture. Disproportionate responses (approved violence) have been part of the game for so long now that's it considered normal and accepted. Fights and violence breaking out at all levels (youth and adult) over a lot of times basically nothing.

Fighting was banned in Football years ago. Know what happened? They the teams either waited for each other after the game or met somewhere local to duke it out.

No supervision there. POlice had to get involved when weapons became the normal.
This was over 50 years ago.
Fighting needs to have a clear line drawn as to what is acceptable and what is not. The offenders need to be hit HARD as an example. This kid is an obvious problem and I would think this goes off the ice as well. He needs therapy and anger management.

Plenty of hot headed kids in little league. Almost always its the coaches who let them know what it the line and what the results are if they cross it. Seen way too many kids kicked off a team for anger and violence after warnings. Its normal now and sadly happens every season for a lot of teams.

Teach kids.

Unless they end up behind bars while awaiting their court date in 2026, all 5 guys are free to leave the country. Doesn't mean the country they travel to will accept them, but they are free to leave. There was a case here locally where the accused was out on bail pending their court date and went on an all-inclusive trip down south while they waited to appear before the judge.

So they could continue their careers in some european pro league (or the KHL) while awaiting trial. Mike Danton spent 5 years in prison and still found employment in pro hockey afterwards. While continuing their NHL careers appears to be remote, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of them find their way back into the league, especially if exonerated.

KHL is a possibility, but what other league is going to willing let any of these guys play for them now?

 

[jgatie]

I disagree with this. Disney is vicious in it copyright enforcement. One of the most aggressive in the world.

Berkeley Breathed agrees with this.

 

[BruinDust]

Fighting was banned in Football years ago. Know what happened? They the teams either waited for each other after the game or met somewhere local to duke it out.

No supervision there. POlice had to get involved when weapons became the normal.
This was over 50 years ago.
Fighting needs to have a clear line drawn as to what is acceptable and what is not. The offenders need to be hit HARD as an example. This kid is an obvious problem and I would think this goes off the ice as well. He needs therapy and anger management.

Plenty of hot headed kids in little league. Almost always its the coaches who let them know what it the line and what the results are if they cross it. Seen way too many kids kicked off a team for anger and violence after warnings. Its normal now and sadly happens every season for a lot of teams.

Teach kids.


KHL is a possibility, but what other league is going to willing let any of these guys play for them now?

And I'm not advocating banning fighting or anything like that. Just that often in hockey at least (I can't speak for football), the response to pretty much anything is often disproportionate. I agree banning fighting will just evolve into fights off the ice, out in the parking lot, etc. And I don't want players to feel they can't defend themselves either.

To the 2nd point, don't disregard the desperation of lower tier pro leagues to improve their team any way possible. Some teams/leagues will take anyone if they think it will make their team better. It's almost amazing some of the 2nd chances guys got to continue pro careers at lower pro levels just because at one point they were considered NHL caliber players.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I disagree with this. Disney is vicious in it copyright enforcement. One of the most aggressive in the world.

I've seen them go after small time people and get them for $100 a pop for each offense basically bankrupting them.

They do not distinguish between willing knowledge and ignorance. They go hard in court and have a lot of experience with it.

I don't think you actually read my post

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

I don't think you actually read my post

Not only did I include a copy of your post in mine I will also include a screenshot here:

Let me put the dots together:
Disneys stance on anything remotely copyright is draconian.
Asking them will not only get you a "no" in nearly all cases, it will get them to take a hard look at you so they can find reasons to go after you.

I've seen it before.

You are entitled to your perspective. Was simply saying I disagree and giving the reasons why.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Not only did I include a copy of your post in mine I will also include a screenshot here:
View attachment 813178

Let me put the dots together:
Disneys stance on anything remotely copyright is draconian.
Asking them will not only get you a "no" in nearly all cases, it will get them to take a hard look at you so they can find reasons to go after you.

I've seen it before.

You are entitled to your perspective. Was simply saying I disagree and giving the reasons why.

All that and you still didn’t actually read

I said “not IF you ask”

Your post prattled on about infringement in the case of a person who did NOT ask.

Good lord, grant me strength on this day.

PS: if you want to be anectdotal, I asked them if I could have a third party company make an Agents of Shield car magnet for me because the company directed me to get copyright permission. Guess what ? Granted. I asked. never hurts to ask

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

All that and you still didn’t actually read

I said “not IF you ask”

Your post prattled on about infringement in the case of a person who did NOT ask.

Good lord, grant me strength on this day.

PS: if you want to be anectdotal, I asked them if I could have a third party company make an Agents of Shield car magnet for me because the company directed me to get copyright permission. Guess what ? Granted. I asked. never hurts to ask

Actually I was walking about not bothering to ask because they almost always DONT. Hence my point that you did not get between the lines. I should be more specific next time.

P.S. - Seen that happen also, the 3rd party was also then sent a cease and decist by the Disney lawyers for making and selling copyrighted merchandise. The notice was copied to the hosting web site of the shops and they were all closed down. Hence my point.

 

[GordonHowe]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/calgary-flames-could-be-sellers-leading-up-to-the-trade-deadline

 

[KnightofBoston]

Actually I was walking about not bothering to ask because they almost always DONT. Hence my point that you did not get between the lines. I should be more specific next time.

P.S. - Seen that happen also, the 3rd party was also then sent a cease and decist by the Disney lawyers for making and selling copyrighted merchandise. The notice was copied to the hosting web site of the shops and they were all closed down. Hence my point.

You’re spiraling out about different topics I didn’t even bring up. Felt and feels like you’re arguing for the sake of arguing because you take issue with Disney as a company.