2023-2024 EPL Season

[hatterson]

I mean of the “top” teams they are the ones that need a GK the most , and being 30 matters less for a goalie than an outfield player. Pickford probably an upgrade on Sanchez, but who else is he an upgrade over?

But my point is kind of that it’s becoming harder and harder to find a good match for Pickford. Does he go abroad? Might have to.

That was generally the reason I didn't list him as one of their valuable assets. He's worth far more inside England than outside it and I just don't see much of a market for him in England.

 

[Savant]

That was generally the reason I didn't list him as one of their valuable assets. He's worth far more inside England than outside it and I just don't see much of a market for him in England.

Yeah I agree with that. And by then, he might not even be England #1, in frame to compete for that either. Maybe there is some goalie musical chairs but it’s really hard to say

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Tonali is officially banned from football for ten months. Won't be back until next season. Will also miss the Euro's.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Every week, I have to sit through relentless gambling commercials pre-match and then at half-time. As my friend put it to me the other day:

"Ivan TONEY is suspended for BETTING, but yet when i watch the Premier League all i see is ads for TONY BET"

I hate the talking-out-of-both-sides shit. "Gambling is a vile and reprehensible thing that threatens sporting integrity" BUT ALSO "we're going to partner with gambling companies and advertisers." No f***ing surprise that more and more players seem to be struggling with gambling addictions!

Get it out of the game. Cut it off.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I just struggle to find the link between the sport has gambling sponsors and players betting on the game and even betting on their own team. The vast, vast majority of players don't have an issue with betting on their own team or betting in general.

I think there are other valid reasons to be against it, but I think the soft defense of the players' actions is pretty dumb.

 

[cgf]

1st, it appears Soloman is right.

2nd, how do you think Russian hockey players feel about all the support for Ukraine?

Eh Russians are all evil and nobody cares about them.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I am not sure about every team policy but they should be pretty clear with all players signed to pro contract that gambling is illegal and take proper measure in informing them all about the legality of it (also includes family members and friends, etc) and consequences.

That being said, the FA are also hypocrites by allowing betting sponsors on the kit and or on the pitch side. They should ban all of them to be shown on the players kit or at the stadium or on the live streaming of the game.

As for the betting sponsors I don't care if the broadcaster allow them at half time, before or after the game or even on the team website as sports betting is still a business.

They should also offer rehabilitation for players with addiction to gambling.

 

[bluesfan94]

That was generally the reason I didn't list him as one of their valuable assets. He's worth far more inside England than outside it and I just don't see much of a market for him in England.

I think he could still get 20-25M even at a midtable side. Crystal Palace for instance. Being the England #1 has some value.

Every week, I have to sit through relentless gambling commercials pre-match and then at half-time. As my friend put it to me the other day:

"Ivan TONEY is suspended for BETTING, but yet when i watch the Premier League all i see is ads for TONY BET"

I hate the talking-out-of-both-sides shit. "Gambling is a vile and reprehensible thing that threatens sporting integrity" BUT ALSO "we're going to partner with gambling companies and advertisers." No f***ing surprise that more and more players seem to be struggling with gambling addictions!

Get it out of the game. Cut it off.

Back when they had alcohol sponsors, I still didn't expect players to show up drunk to games.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think he could still get 20-25M even at a midtable side. Crystal Palace for instance. Being the England #1 has some value.


Back when they had alcohol sponsors, I still didn't expect players to show up drunk to games.

I mean clearly when Carlsberg was the shirt sponsor for Liverpool, Torres anad Gerrard couldn't help, but pound drinks in the facilities.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I don't see why it's even remotely controversial to suggest that the overwhelming and increasing ubiquity of gambling in the sports world is an enormous contributing factor to the growing amount of players getting wrapped up in it. Don't act surprised when 24/7 gambling advertising captures more players.

If sports ads were as crucial to the alcohol industry as they are to gambling, I might too question their complicity in high rates of player alcoholism (which was, actually, a thing, regardless of it impacting players literally on the pitch during matches).

It is obviously terrible to sporting integrity, and I think the suspensions for these players are fair. But to look at them individually and ignore the wider sociocultural context? That's just lazy f***ing analysis.

I'm not saying there is a direct causal relationship. But the partnership of sporting leagues with the gambling industry is a significant piece of the puzzle.

 

[Ceremony]

If my job didn't allow me to place bets on it under threat of suspension I simply wouldn't bet on my job.

 

[maclean]

Back when they had alcohol sponsors, I still didn't expect players to show up drunk to games.

They're not placing bets while literally on the pitch. And yes, alcohol problems are also rampant.

 

[bluesfan94]

I don't see why it's even remotely controversial to suggest that the overwhelming and increasing ubiquity of gambling in the sports world is an enormous contributing factor to the growing amount of players getting wrapped up in it. Don't act surprised when 24/7 gambling advertising captures more players.

If sports ads were as crucial to the alcohol industry as they are to gambling, I might too question their complicity in high rates of player alcoholism (which was, actually, a thing, regardless of it impacting players literally on the pitch during matches).

It is obviously terrible to sporting integrity, and I think the suspensions for these players are fair. But to look at them individually and ignore the wider sociocultural context? That's just lazy f***ing analysis.

I'm not saying there is a direct causal relationship. But the partnership of sporting leagues with the gambling industry is a significant piece of the puzzle.

The bolded is the distinction. It's bad that players have drinking issues. It's bad that players have gambling issues. Both only matter if they affect the sport. If Tonali was gambling on cricket, people wouldn't care.

They're not placing bets while literally on the pitch. And yes, alcohol problems are also rampant.

Well sure, but they're placing bets about what happens literally on the pitch. Obviously it's not a direct 1-to-1 comparison. I didn't think that was going to have to be spelled out, but mea culpa.

 

[HoseEmDown]

The bolded is the distinction. It's bad that players have drinking issues. It's bad that players have gambling issues. Both only matter if they affect the sport. If Tonali was gambling on cricket, people wouldn't care.


Well sure, but they're placing bets about what happens literally on the pitch. Obviously it's not a direct 1-to-1 comparison. I didn't think that was going to have to be spelled out, but mea culpa.

Why should Tonali be forced to gamble on something he probably knows very little about and not something he's 1000% more knowledgeable about? Obviously if he is throwing games or given out or taking in insider information that's a different story. But him knowing which teams are better than the other or who plays well at home but bad on the road shouldn't prevent him from gambling on other soccer matches.

Allowing someone to bet on every other sport except the one they play sounds like something a sports book or casino would say because they always want to have the upper hand on you. Anytime you try to get an edge or advantage they'll shut you down because they can't let anyone beat them. If you are going to make money off the everyman because they aren't as knowledgeable then you need to take your lumps from pro's. Throwing them under the bus like they have with Ridley and now Pinto is a bad look for these sports books.

 

[maclean]

The bolded is the distinction. It's bad that players have drinking issues. It's bad that players have gambling issues. Both only matter if they affect the sport. If Tonali was gambling on cricket, people wouldn't care.

I'm not sure the extent to which that's true. Shane Pinto is currently getting suspended for proxy betting and allegedly not on NHL games. I guess it depends what they have in their contracts

 

[cgf]

Why should Tonali be forced to gamble on something he probably knows very little about and not something he's 1000% more knowledgeable about? Obviously if he is throwing games or given out or taking in insider information that's a different story. But him knowing which teams are better than the other or who plays well at home but bad on the road shouldn't prevent him from gambling on other soccer matches.

Allowing someone to bet on every other sport except the one they play sounds like something a sports book or casino would say because they always want to have the upper hand on you. Anytime you try to get an edge or advantage they'll shut you down because they can't let anyone beat them. If you are going to make money off the everyman because they aren't as knowledgeable then you need to take your lumps from pro's. Throwing them under the bus like they have with Ridley and now Pinto is a bad look for these sports books.

Because he has inside information that isn’t available to the public and if people were allowed to bet on inside information that would change the lines for the rest of us.

 

[Brunkmeister]

Jesus and Partey out for a couple of weeks. I guess you can find some conspiracies in there if you take a closer look.

 

[bluesfan94]

Why should Tonali be forced to gamble on something he probably knows very little about and not something he's 1000% more knowledgeable about?

He isn’t forced. So you’re basing your whole post on a flawed premise.

 

[KJS14]

I can see why betting on your own games (even for your team to win) and other teams in your league would present an issue, but I don't see why a Serie A player couldn't bet on EPL games. I suppose its easier to just have a catch-all rule to prevent it though.

The NFL has even dumber/stricter rules - players have gotten suspended for betting on other sports just because they placed the bets while at team facilities. And they have more sportsbook sponsors for NFL games than anything else probably.

 

[bluesfan94]

I can see why betting on your own games (even for your team to win) and other teams in your league would present an issue, but I don't see why a Serie A player couldn't bet on EPL games. I suppose its easier to just have a catch-all rule to prevent it though.

The NFL has even dumber/stricter rules - players have gotten suspended for betting on other sports just because they placed the bets while at team facilities. And they have more sportsbook sponsors for NFL games than anything else probably.

Because footballers know footballers. And there are connections between agents, etc. Just easier to have a blanket ban. Don't bet on your sport. It isn't that hard, really. In college, there was a blanket don't bet on college sports ban and I didn't run into many difficulties.

The facilities thing is likely for an appearance of propriety. Again, these things aren't difficult to avoid. You can argue the merits all you want, but I don't really have much sympathy for the argument that you just couldn't wait to place a bet until you were back home.

 

[KJS14]

Because footballers know footballers. And there are connections between agents, etc. Just easier to have a blanket ban. Don't bet on your sport. It isn't that hard, really. In college, there was a blanket don't bet on college sports ban and I didn't run into many difficulties.

The facilities thing is likely for an appearance of propriety. Again, these things aren't difficult to avoid. You can argue the merits all you want, but I don't really have much sympathy for the argument that you just couldn't wait to place a bet until you were back home.

That's a fair point on the issue with footballers betting on other leagues. I hadn't thought about it that way.

On the NFL example - I get there is a difference in actual conflict of interest vs perceived conflict of interest, and it's definitely not difficult to adhere to, but the punishments don't fit the "crime" for the NFL players. A half-year or full-year suspension for betting on other sports from team facilities is far more punitive to the player than a potential audience perception issue from them betting on basketball games is for the NFL. And it's hypocritical when the league has partnerships with every major sportsbook in the US to promote gambling to their audience.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Because he has inside information that isn’t available to the public and if people were allowed to bet on inside information that would change the lines for the rest of us.

What inside information does he have? Being highly knowledgeable on the sport because you play at the highest level isn't inside information. It's just an edge, are professional poker players not allowed to go play a 2/5 NL hold em game because they're better than the other players at the table? If he was being fed information that the public doesn't have then yes its illegal but knowing something like Lazio has never beaten Juve in Turin or Immobile has never scored at the San Siro isn't inside information. That's just doing research or knowing team or player tendencies, plenty of gamblers do that.

He isn’t forced. So you’re basing your whole post on a flawed premise.

He isn't but he also shouldn't be unable to bet on a Eridivise game because he's a professional player. Again if he's better on his team or getting information about games then there is issues. I don't know the whole story so not sure what the ban is completely for.

 

[cgf]

What inside information does he have? Being highly knowledgeable on the sport because you play at the highest level isn't inside information. It's just an edge, are professional poker players not allowed to go play a 2/5 NL hold em game because they're better than the other players at the table? If he was being fed information that the public doesn't have then yes its illegal but knowing something like Lazio has never beaten Juve in Turin or Immobile has never scored at the San Siro isn't inside information. That's just doing research or knowing team or player tendencies, plenty of gamblers do that.



He isn't but he also shouldn't be unable to bet on a Eridivise game because he's a professional player. Again if he's better on his team or getting information about games then there is issues. I don't know the whole story so not sure what the ban is completely for.

Health affects performance.

 

[Chimaera]

The advertising while the punishments exist is a bit hypocritical, but at the end of the day, it’s an elite adult athlete who should be completely aware of the rules and expectations.

That goes for more than just betting. If there’s a rule and you don’t follow it, you get what you get.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

The top 5 all win, clubs 6-9 pickup a total of 2 points.